The Enigma of Trump Supporters’ Blind Devotion: A Modern Social Phenomenon

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Just now, Lacessit said:

I really can't see the sense of alienating allies with tariffs, and wrecking your own economy with them as well.

 

Already, Kentucky bourbon makers have lost $1 billion in sales to Canada. Converting allies to someone who wants to punch you in the mouth is insane.

 

The DOGE scythe is cutting down Republicans along with Democrats. There is nothing selective about it.

 

How do MAGA's rationalize such actions?

Being nuts............😬

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I really can't see the sense of alienating allies with tariffs, and wrecking your own economy with them as well.

 

Already, Kentucky bourbon makers have lost $1 billion in sales to Canada. Converting allies to someone who wants to punch you in the mouth is insane.

 

The DOGE scythe is cutting down Republicans along with Democrats. There is nothing selective about it.

 

How do MAGA's rationalize such actions?

Americans can boycott Canadian products too. 330m vs 40m people. Canada loses. 

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Americans can boycott Canadian products too. 330m vs 40m people. Canada loses. 

Please go ahead. Boycott Canadian oil and electricity, see where it gets you.

 

 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Please go ahead. Boycott Canadian oil and electricity, see where it gets you.

 

 

Good let's go. Go Trump. Boycott all retail products. 

[Harrisfan]

1 hour ago, Terrance8812 said:

seems that most Trump supporters on this forum are either not American and or don’t live in the U.S

Most of his critics are non Americans or don't live in the US. Prove me wrong.

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Good let's go. Go Trump. Boycott all retail products. 

Canada supplies all the electricity to the entire north-eastern corridor. Colorado, Oregon and California would have to go on rationing.

 

A 50% cut in oil supply would see gasoline rationing.

 

You've heard of compound interest? Your posts are compounding stupidity.

[Yagoda]

3 hours ago, candide said:

Says the man whose forum ID is the name of a Cheka leader! 😀

The Peoples Commissar of the Socialist Cheka was Feliks Dzerzinski

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4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Most of his critics are non Americans or don't live in the US. Prove me wrong.

And where do you live, plus, you are not American...............

[Harrisfan]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Canada supplies all the electricity to the entire north-eastern corridor. Colorado, Oregon and California would have to go on rationing.

 

A 50% cut in oil supply would see gasoline rationing.

 

You've heard of compound interest? Your posts are compounding stupidity.

If this stopped being sold Canada goes broke. Why would Canada want to go broke? Not so smart. 75% of exports are to the US.

 

[Cameroni]

12 hours ago, RSD1 said:

Even when his policies drive up inflation, increase unemployment, weaken consumer protections, dismantle government oversight, harm allies, weaken political alliances around the world, or threaten economic stability, his base remains steadfast. T

 

Trump's policies of course do NOT drive up inflation, you want to check the inflation figures during the Biden years. In any event you seem to have a personality cult hatred of Trump that you think this one man is singlehandedly responsible for inflation. Which  is nonsense of course.

 

Nor has Trump increased unemployment, weakened consumer protections or "dismantled government oversight". He may have harmed Ukraine, but that was clearly not an ally worth having anyway, more like a leech sucking your resources.

 

He did weaken alliances like NATO and those with Germany, Britain and such, and that is actually a very good thing. About time these countries grew up and ran their own destiny, it's actually a huge positive for everyone concerned, especially those countries.

 

Trump has certainly not threatened the economic stability of the United States, that's just more caca de toro.

 

As long as Trump keeps delivering, and what he is doing is true genius, slashing government waste, ending the Ukraine war, ending LGBTQ leeching off the taxpayer, the man is a force of nature and working like no other president before him. He will no doubt go down as the greatest US president the United States has ever had. And to top it all, he is brilliant for the whole world, witness him putting an end to this diabolical Ukraine war. We are all blessed to have this great man at the helm of the US. No matter what some lesser haters may say.

[spidermike007]

Many of us agree that the country needed change and it is quite obvious that the Democratic party was broken. The big question, is Trump the change that we needed?

 

Is Trump the man that he says he is?

 

Is Trump the man that his supporters think he is?

 

Is Trump sincere about the well-being of the nation and its people?

 

Will Trump put the well-being of the nation above himself?

 

Will he destroy alliances and will he coddle dictators?

 

Will he golf less than 150 times a year on the nation's dime? 

 

Well his tariffs absolutely gut the US economy, cause high unemployment, and a dramatic increase in inflation? 

 

All that remains to be seen. 

 

Saint Donald. Total revisionist history, a complete reformation of his entire career, and a total erasure of his past crimes, moral terpitude, and a total and complete willingness to overlook a lifetime of moral bankruptcy. 

 

I do have some friends that will come right out and say the man is a butthead, he's an idiot, and he's an absolute clown, but I like many of his policies. Those are the Republicans I admire. 

 

With many people, once they got attached to a theory, it was hard to get them detached. They’d screen out unhelpful facts, invent favorable ones, and ignore contradictions in their own claims. Look at those Sandy Hook, multiple fraud convictions, and Jan. 6th truthers, babbling about false flags and crisis actors and all the rest. When people were motivated enough to believe something, they were going to believe it no matter what. There was no such thing as a bridge too far.

 

 

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

If this stopped being sold Canada goes broke. Why would Canada want to go broke? Not so smart. 75% of exports are to the US.

 

Canada can sell oil to the EU and China, at a better price.

 

How do you think New York is going to function with no electricity?

[Harrisfan]

Just now, Lacessit said:

Canada can sell oil to the EU and China, at a better price.

 

How do you think New York is going to function with no electricity?

Why don't they do it now then?

[Lacessit]

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Trump's policies of course do NOT drive up inflation, you want to check the inflation figures during the Biden years. In any event you seem to have a personality cult hatred of Trump that you think this one man is singlehandedly responsible for inflation. Which  is nonsense of course.

 

Nor has Trump increased unemployment, weakened consumer protections or "dismantled government oversight". He may have harmed Ukraine, but that was clearly not an ally worth having anyway, more like a leech sucking your resources.

 

He did weaken alliances like NATO and those with Germany, Britain and such, and that is actually a very good thing. About time these countries grew up and ran their own destiny, it's actually a huge positive for everyone concerned, especially those countries.

 

Trump has certainly not threatened the economic stability of the United States, that's just more caca de toro.

 

As long as Trump keeps delivering, and what he is doing is true genius, slashing government waste, ending the Ukraine war, ending LGBTQ leeching off the taxpayer, the man is a force of nature and working like no other president before him. He will no doubt go down as the greatest US president the United States has ever had. And to top it all, he is brilliant for the whole world, witness him putting an end to this diabolical Ukraine war. We are all blessed to have this great man at the helm of the US. No matter what some lesser haters may say.

Please put a sarcasm alert on your post.

[Bannoi]

Well they do get to wear a red hat.

[Alpha84]

19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Trump's policies of course do NOT drive up inflation, you want to check the inflation figures during the Biden years. In any event you seem to have a personality cult hatred of Trump that you think this one man is singlehandedly responsible for inflation. Which  is nonsense of course.

 

Nor has Trump increased unemployment, weakened consumer protections or "dismantled government oversight". He may have harmed Ukraine, but that was clearly not an ally worth having anyway, more like a leech sucking your resources.

 

He did weaken alliances like NATO and those with Germany, Britain and such, and that is actually a very good thing. About time these countries grew up and ran their own destiny, it's actually a huge positive for everyone concerned, especially those countries.

 

Trump has certainly not threatened the economic stability of the United States, that's just more caca de toro.

 

As long as Trump keeps delivering, and what he is doing is true genius, slashing government waste, ending the Ukraine war, ending LGBTQ leeching off the taxpayer, the man is a force of nature and working like no other president before him. He will no doubt go down as the greatest US president the United States has ever had. And to top it all, he is brilliant for the whole world, witness him putting an end to this diabolical Ukraine war. We are all blessed to have this great man at the helm of the US. No matter what some lesser haters may say.

Comedy gold! 

[Harrisfan]

67% of Canadian GDP is trade with 75% of exports going to the US.

 

Only 27% of US GDP is trade with only 17% of exports going to Canada.

 

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/trade-gdp-ratio

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93qnk92174o

 

Canada can't win this so called trade war. 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

 

Canada can't win this so called trade war. 

If Canada can't win this trade war, why is Trump backing down?

[johng]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

If Canada can't win this trade war, why is Trump backing down?

 

Is he backing down ??    apparently he had a fairly friendly chat with Trudeau  who probably gave him a big sob story with real tears   for more time until the election perhaps ?

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Is he backing down ??    apparently he had a fairly friendly chat with Trudeau  who probably gave him a big sob story with real tears   for more time until the election perhaps ?

It's hard to figure out what Trump is doing, he flip-flops more than a fresh-caught fish.

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, xylophone said:

To support that, one only has to look at the lies/falsehoods and inaccuracies in trumps last long and rambling speech.....absolutely unbelievable and for sure the MAGA/trumpies will lap up the speech and the lies, becauset hey are either naive, simple, gullible or desperate........

 

 Fact check: Are millions of people older than 100 — including some older than 160 — collecting Social Security?

Trump said: “We’re also identifying shocking levels of incompetence and probable fraud in the Social Security program for our seniors.”

 

This is false.

 

Fact check: Trump says car plants are "opening up all over the place"

 

This is mostly false.

 

No automaker has announced a new plant since Trump took office and began instituting new tariffs. Reuters reported that Honda planned to produce 210,000 Civics in Indiana instead of Mexico, but the company hasn’t made a public announcement.

 

Fact check: Trump claims illegal immigration "destroyed" Aurora, Colo., and Springfield, Ohio

 

This is false.

 

Springfield and Aurora have long been some of Trump’s favorite targets when it comes to examples of American cities he likes to nod to as being overrun by migrants, though he often misrepresents the situations there.

 

Fact check: Is Canada, along with Mexico, to blame for the fentanyl crisis?

Trump said of Canada and Mexico: “They’ve allowed fentanyl to come into our country at levels never seen before, killing hundreds of thousands of our citizens and many very young, beautiful people, destroying families. Nobody has ever seen anything like it.”

 

This is partly false.

 

While fentanyl comes across the border from Mexico in significant numbers, Canada is hardly to blame for the crisis. In the 2024 fiscal year, fentanyl seizures at the northern border were just 43 pounds, according to Customs and Border Protection data.

 

Health

Fact check: Trump says more children are being diagnosed with autism

Trump said: “As an example, not long ago, and you can’t even believe these numbers, 1 in 10,000 children had autism. One in 10,000, and now it’s 1 in 36. There’s something wrong. One in 36, think of that, so we’re going to find out what it is.”

 

This needs context.

 

Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has pointed to vaccines to explain the substantial rise in autism diagnoses in recent decades, which have ballooned from an estimated 1 in 150 children in 2000 to 1 in 36 today.

But the science is clear that vaccines don’t cause autism.

 

International

Fact check: Trump claims U.S. is spending much more on Ukraine than Europe

Trump said: “Europe has sadly spent more money buying Russian oil and gas than they have spent on defending Ukraine by far. Think of that. They’ve spent more buying Russian oil and gas than they have defending. And we’ve spent perhaps $350 billion, and they’ve spent $100 billion. And we have an ocean separating us, and they don’t. And Biden has authorized more money in this fight than Europe has spent.”

 

This is mostly false.

 

From Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022 to last December, the United States had allocated $114.2 billion in aid to Ukraine, according to the Kiel Institute, which is tracking aid to Ukraine. That’s not more than Europe spent: Those nations allocated more than $132.3 billion, with plans to allocate more.

 

Polling

Fact check: Is the share of Americans who think the country is on "right" track at a record high?

Trump said: “For the first time in modern history, more Americans believe that our country is headed in the right direction than the wrong direction.”

 

This is false.

 

While he doesn’t cite his source, it seems likely he’s pointing to a recent Rasmussen Reports poll showing that 47% say America’s on the “right track.”

Rasmussen is a right-wing poll that regularly partners with conservative authors and outlets to sponsor its polling. And it’s controversial — the polling aggregation site FiveThirtyEight removed the poll from its averages last year over concerns about its partisanship and its methodology.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-checking-trumps-speech-congress-rcna194819

 

 

All false.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Please put a sarcasm alert on your post.

pot calling

[bannork]

JD Vance talking about Donald Trump

 

[LiamB80]

I voted for Trump 3X, I agree with most of his policies but some of the things he does I don’t like. I believe he is too friendly with Israel. I don’t have blind allegiance to him and I call him out when I see something I don’t like. Most of the rabid anti Trump posters on here are not even American. To support the president of the United States is not a membership to being in a cult. 

[Silencer]

You start with a flawed hypothesis as you focus on MAGA voters. Forgetting the small parties, American's have Democrats or Republicans to vote for, so you need to evaluate both sides of the equation when discussing voter trends and bias. About 40% of Americans consider them selves independents (whom you might consider are the "rational" voters). But true independents (with no party affiliation) are only 10%. The remaining 30% (who call themselves independents), lets say half of them vote Democrat or Republican at different times. So, that gives us approx. 25% of American voters are mostly independent (but some of them lean one way or another more than likely). That means 75% of American voters, both MAGA and Dems, are incapable of voting for the other side. My point being this is NOT just a MAGA thing, although Trump is such a polarizing figure that, that it just highlights these voting dynamics. Lets not forget FDR was the closest thing the US had to a king (4 election victories!), which forced a new constitutional amendment to limit a President to two terms in office. I'm sure Republicans thought he was the Dems MAGA.  I, personally, thought Trump did not deserve another term in office after the 2020 election denial, the fits and tantrums he exhibited, the threats to the VP and Jan 6. However, many (not all) of his polices I supported during his first term. In 2024, the US had two very flawed choices, Biden the nice guy, losing his faculties, replaced with an inexperienced and unintelligent Presidential imposter. She faced Trump (narcissist, uncontrollable liar, thin-skinned, wannabe King/dictator/ruler).  Also, the economy was not in good shape (and everyone knows it's always "the economy, stupid"), mostly due to inflation, and illegal immigration became a core issue. Beyond the 75% already locked in on their candidate, that other 25% had those choices. Most of them could see both candidates a bit more rationally, some of them decided to stay home because both were losers in their eyes, and enough of them leaned toward the economy and immigration to give Trump the victory. Remember, even Hilary Clinton had a larger lead (popular vote) over Trump, than Trump had over Harris by a bit. The midterm elections in two years will be interesting. American often prefer split government, so both parties can check the extremes of the other, and if Trump causes enough pain or pisses enough of that 25% off on one issue or another, then it is highly likely that either the House or Senate could flip, reigning in some of Trumps agenda. If thigs are going great in almost  two years (economy/immigration/overall satisfaction), then Trump might keep both. So, just like MAGA has blind followers, the Dems do as well, and its this 25% (somewhere between 20-30%) that decide the election outcomes. It made some sense that Trump won, despite his many flaws, and that is how he got the votes he did. For Dems, it seems totally incomprehensible people would vote for Trump just as it would have been incomprehensible by MAGA to think Harris had won.

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, LiamB80 said:

I voted for Trump 3X, I agree with most of his policies but some of the things he does I don’t like. I believe he is too friendly with Israel. I don’t have blind allegiance to him and I call him out when I see something I don’t like. Most of the rabid anti Trump posters on here are not even American. To support the president of the United States is not a membership to being in a cult. 

Agree with this. Seems they are the odd man out in a horrible region. Easier to relocate the front wheel skids than the palestinians. Plus they overwhelmingly voted for Biden which would have spelled disaster for mankind letting the deep state have another after the horlicks thry made of the last one. I'd stop protecting immediately.

[thaibeachlovers]

^{The Enigma of Trump Haters’ Blind Loathing: A Modern Social Phenomenon}

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Silencer said:

You start with a flawed hypothesis as you focus on MAGA voters. Forgetting the small parties, American's have Democrats or Republicans to vote for, so you need to evaluate both sides of the equation when discussing voter trends and bias. About 40% of Americans consider them selves independents (whom you might consider are the "rational" voters). But true independents (with no party affiliation) are only 10%. The remaining 30% (who call themselves independents), lets say half of them vote Democrat or Republican at different times. So, that gives us approx. 25% of American voters are mostly independent (but some of them lean one way or another more than likely). That means 75% of American voters, both MAGA and Dems, are incapable of voting for the other side. My point being this is NOT just a MAGA thing, although Trump is such a polarizing figure that, that it just highlights these voting dynamics. Lets not forget FDR was the closest thing the US had to a king (4 election victories!), which forced a new constitutional amendment to limit a President to two terms in office. I'm sure Republicans thought he was the Dems MAGA.  I, personally, thought Trump did not deserve another term in office after the 2020 election denial, the fits and tantrums he exhibited, the threats to the VP and Jan 6. However, many (not all) of his polices I supported during his first term. In 2024, the US had two very flawed choices, Biden the nice guy, losing his faculties, replaced with an inexperienced and unintelligent Presidential imposter. She faced Trump (narcissist, uncontrollable liar, thin-skinned, wannabe King/dictator/ruler).  Also, the economy was not in good shape (and everyone knows it's always "the economy, stupid"), mostly due to inflation, and illegal immigration became a core issue. Beyond the 75% already locked in on their candidate, that other 25% had those choices. Most of them could see both candidates a bit more rationally, some of them decided to stay home because both were losers in their eyes, and enough of them leaned toward the economy and immigration to give Trump the victory. Remember, even Hilary Clinton had a larger lead (popular vote) over Trump, than Trump had over Harris by a bit. The midterm elections in two years will be interesting. American often prefer split government, so both parties can check the extremes of the other, and if Trump causes enough pain or pisses enough of that 25% off on one issue or another, then it is highly likely that either the House or Senate could flip, reigning in some of Trumps agenda. If thigs are going great in almost  two years (economy/immigration/overall satisfaction), then Trump might keep both. So, just like MAGA has blind followers, the Dems do as well, and its this 25% (somewhere between 20-30%) that decide the election outcomes. It made some sense that Trump won, despite his many flaws, and that is how he got the votes he did. For Dems, it seems totally incomprehensible people would vote for Trump just as it would have been incomprehensible by MAGA to think Harris had won.

It's great to see a sensible post among the bickering and hate posts from certain posters.

[xylophone]

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

All false.

Look at any of the "Fact Checker" websites and they will all mirror the lies/untruths/misleading information that I highlighted in my post and if you think they are all "false" then you need to take a good look at yourself because "there's none so blind as those who will not see" (as the saying goes).

 

Live in your alternate universe if that's what you want, but if you do, expect others to laugh at you......you poor soul.

[nauseus]

40 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Look at any of the "Fact Checker" websites and they will all mirror the lies/untruths/misleading information that I highlighted in my post and if you think they are all "false" then you need to take a good look at yourself because "there's none so blind as those who will not see" (as the saying goes).

 

Live in your alternate universe if that's what you want, but if you do, expect others to laugh at you......you poor soul.

 

I've found these fact checkers to be unreliable and untrustworthy. They are usually invented for political ends by parties that expect people not to question them - like you, you poor soul.