11 minutes ago, Zack61 said:

He made his choices believing he was entitled and above the law. Guilty as charged.

As did Letitia James. 

On 4/23/2025 at 9:08 AM, Cameroni said:

 

You are mistaking outsourching to save costs for lack of capacity. An easy mistake to make. However, the US pharma industry can easily make penicillin. They have just outsourced it to China because it is cheaper.

 

This of course illustrates why Trump is right and a shift has to happen.

 

Outsourcing as you say is the solution from the 70's that took manufacturing out of the US and into foreign countries to make it much more profitable for corps and give the ability to avoid US taxation. Its what collapsed the manufacturing industries base in the US and will hinder any type of quick fix that Trump keeps talking about as the 2nd side of his tariff actions. There will be a decade or so of struggle but pricing will be the nail in the US and  global appeal for US made products. 

On 4/23/2025 at 10:29 AM, Cameroni said:

However, Trump's sensible approach in wanting to end the Ukraine war shows he is no war monger.

Yemen??

 

1 hour ago, Peabody said:

Yemen??

 

Come that was to protect European shipping. He can't help his allies now? 

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Come that was to protect European shipping. He can't help his allies now? 

Please. It was to keep the price of oil lower. You really believes he considers European nations to be his allies? That would raise a chuckle from the Europeans. Although a good chunk of of Russia is considered to be European so maybe you have a small percentage of a point.

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Please. It was to keep the price of oil lower. You really believes he considers European nations to be his allies? That would raise a chuckle from the Europeans. Although a good chunk of of Russia is considered to be European so maybe you have a small percentage of a point.

I certainly don't consider European nations to be Britains allies!

If they were, they wouldn't be allowing all those illegals to camp on their beaches, then cross to the UK.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I certainly don't consider European nations to be Britains allies!

If they were, they wouldn't be allowing all those illegals to camp on their beaches.

I don't blame you after the way they threw the UK out of the EU. It was shocking!

16 hours ago, placeholder said:

Please. It was to keep the price of oil lower. You really believes he considers European nations to be his allies? That would raise a chuckle from the Europeans. Although a good chunk of of Russia is considered to be European so maybe you have a small percentage of a point.

 

So when the top secret Signal conversations have all the top officials complaining how they have to do this to protect European shipping, you don't believe them?

16 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Come that was to protect European shipping. He can't help his allies now? 

Any excuse is better than none right?

48 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

So when the top secret Signal conversations have all the top officials complaining how they have to do this to protect European shipping, you don't believe them?

Now they're top secret are they? I thought they weren't even classified? Giving you these people and their prejudices, I believe in their ignorance.

On 4/23/2025 at 8:16 AM, KhunLA said:

Live at Beckley WV for about a year.  Lovely state and people.  Shame my salary sucked, or I would have stayed.   First place I lived, away from home & all things familiar.   From Philly metro, to backwater, out of the main town of Beckley, in middle of nowhere and loved it.

 

Loaded up my 'station wagon' with $200 borrowed from my brother and off I went, to the unknown.

 

On topic ... yea, Trump needs to be careful with trade war with CN.   Actually one, if push comes to shove, USA can't win that fight.

 

CN controls the supply chain of medicine, auto & grid components.  USA isn't close to filling that void now or the immediate future if they are cut off from CN exports.

especially since the KING put a crimp in relations between the US and the rest of the countries of the world including those with necessary raw materials needed for the US to produce just about anythinig.

On 4/23/2025 at 10:39 AM, Cameroni said:

Trump's tariffs will not boost inflation. In the long term as manufacturing returns to the US and goods become more expensive due to being made in the US inflation will naturally decrease.

1 am not an economist, but even I can see that putting tarrifs of multiples of 10% on imported goods means that the prices of those imported goods rise -  inflation?

 

If in the long term manufacturing "returns to the US" it will require massive investment in factories. Wages and production costs for the goods will be higher, investment will have to be paid back, therefore the goods will be more expensive ( the whole reason the manufacturing moved abroad) - inflation?

12 minutes ago, JAG said:

1 am not an economist, but even I can see that putting tarrifs of multiples of 10% on imported goods means that the prices of those imported goods rise -  inflation?

 

If in the long term manufacturing "returns to the US" it will require massive investment in factories. Wages and production costs for the goods will be higher, investment will have to be paid back, therefore the goods will be more expensive ( the whole reason the manufacturing moved abroad) - inflation?

 

Well, yes in the short run. But in the long run the higher prices will have the effect of tempering consumer spending, thus this will eventually lower inflation. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, yes in the short run. But in the long run the higher prices will have the effect of tempering consumer spending, thus this will eventually lower inflation. 

 

 

The US Economy is based on consumption. Anyone, disclosing to the US consumers, that they will be able to buy "less things" for their Dollars will not be re-elected. Worse: He will be lynched.

1 minute ago, swissie said:

The US Economy is based on consumption. Anyone, disclosing to the US consumers, that they will be able to buy "less things" for their Dollars will not be re-elected. Worse: He will be lynched.

 

If prices go up it will naturally happen. And it would be a very good thing, for Americans and for the world. Americans are a very spiritual people, maybe they can spend more time on meditation.

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

If prices go up it will naturally happen. And it would be a very good thing, for Americans and for the world. Americans are a very spiritual people, maybe they can spend more time on meditation.

That's what Trump campaigned on: Self-awareness and abnegation of wordly pleasures.

This is what happens when you elect a spoiled brat to the nation’s highest office.

On 4/23/2025 at 3:04 AM, placeholder said:

Wow! Pretty good prediction. Most likely their input had something to do with it.

But why the nasty swipes at people from West Virginia?  Actually, it's a major source of great American music and has its own fascinating culture. There's nothing wrong with being a native of West Virginia.

Fondly, I remember my many visits to West Virginia. I was overwhelmed by "culture". On every street corner operas, museums featuring Egyptian Mummies to paintings of the Renaissance. Everybody playing the fiddle, doing Vivaldy etc etc...Quoting Shakespeare at the gas station. Was impressed by their willingness to keep their livestyle closely connected to history. As many houses have little indoor plumming, but a cosy "outhouse".

 

Was looking for a monument, celebrating Dolly Partons cultural achievements. Much to my dissapointment, I was told that Dolly Parton comes from Tenessee.

 

PS: Much pun intended. To be consumed with "a grain of salt".

6 minutes ago, swissie said:

Fondly, I remember my many visits to West Virginia. I was overwhelmed by "culture". On every street corner operas, museums featuring Egyptian Mummies to paintings of the Renaissance. Everybody playing the fiddle, doing Vivaldy etc etc...Quoting Shakespeare at the gas station. Was impressed by their willingness to keep their livestyle closely connected to history. As many houses have little indoor plumming, but a cosy "outhouse".

 

Was looking for a monument, celebrating Dolly Partons cultural achievements. Much to my dissapointment, I was told that Dolly Parton comes from Tenessee.

 

PS: Much pun intended. To be consumed with "a grain of salt".

 

If you are ever near DC, I suggest you take 66 West to I-81 South.  Then take Route 48 West from Strasburg into West Virginia.  Then keep driving.   It's a nice state. 

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

If you are ever near DC, I suggest you take 66 West to I-81 South.  Then take Route 48 West from Strasburg into West Virginia.  Then keep driving.   It's a nice state. 

I agree, it's a nice state. Friendly "down to earth people". But to declare it as a "cultural-hub" is a slight exageration.

7 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, yes in the short run. But in the long run the higher prices will have the effect of tempering consumer spending, thus this will eventually lower inflation. 

 

 

don't forget the other consequences of reduced demand.... lower GDP,  higher unemployment, lower stock market, reduction in IRA balances, smaller tax base  .... sounds like fun, right?  Even if manufacturing significantly rises from it's current 8% of the GDP the rest of the US economy will suffer far more than any gain from increased manufacturing.

On 4/23/2025 at 10:29 AM, Cameroni said:

 

It is an ardous and difficult path to be sure. However, if you consider that Americans are 4% of the population and consume 18% of the planet, perhaps making things more expensive in the US will be a good thing for the planet. American consumers of course will have to rethink a bit, but clearly a change could benefit Americans and the world.

 

Trump has to fight many wars, internally there is a big question mark if he will be able to rally  enough people to accomplish his goals, whether he will sabotaged, indeed possibly killed. Externally the risk of wars is higher than it has ever been in our lifetime.

 

So yes, the stakes are very high. However, Trump's sensible approach in wanting to end the Ukraine war shows he is no war monger. It would actually have been beneficial for the US to continue to bleed out Russia. Clearly Trump is a man of peace though.

He's not doing anything to end the Russian invasion of Ukraine- quite the opposite- he wants Ukraine to surrender and give up important land that many Ukrainians have DIED for. Trump is appeasing Putin & Russia. That's the main thing he's doing wrong at the moment. If you live in Europe you don't think Trump is a peacemaker.

38 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

He's not doing anything to end the Russian invasion of Ukraine- quite the opposite- he wants Ukraine to surrender and give up important land that many Ukrainians have DIED for. Trump is appeasing Putin & Russia. That's the main thing he's doing wrong at the moment. If you live in Europe you don't think Trump is a peacemaker.

 

He is a Peacemaker. If it wasn't for him there would be no chance of peace in Ukraine. Thanks to him it's a possibility.Ukraine has to concede territory obviously, as they're losing on the battlefield.

43 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

don't forget the other consequences of reduced demand.... lower GDP,  higher unemployment, lower stock market, reduction in IRA balances, smaller tax base  .... sounds like fun, right?  Even if manufacturing significantly rises from it's current 8% of the GDP the rest of the US economy will suffer far more than any gain from increased manufacturing.

 

Manufacturing will increase dramatically, and the hope is that this will compensate somewhat for the reduced consumer spending due to higher prices. 

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Manufacturing will increase dramatically, and the hope is that this will compensate somewhat for the reduced consumer spending due to higher prices. 

And the "increased manufactoring" will be sold to the Chinese? They can hardly wait to buy american goods, 15 years  behind Chinese technology.

 

AND: China has stopped exporting "rare earths". (90% of worlds supply). Does anyone realise what this means for the future "world economy"?

2 minutes ago, swissie said:

And the "increased manufactoring" will be sold to the Chinese? They can hardly wait to buy american goods, 15 years  behind Chinese technology.

 

AND: China has stopped exporting "rare earths". (90% of worlds supply). Does anyone realise what this means for the future "world economy"?

 

No need, the US has one of the largest, richtest domestic markets in the world.

 

The US can recycle rare earths. It's not a huge problem.

33 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No need, the US has one of the largest, richtest domestic markets in the world.

 

The US can recycle rare earths. It's not a huge problem.

It may not be a huge problem but what percentage of rare earths are contributed by recyclers now?

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It may not be a huge problem but what percentage of rare earths are contributed by recyclers now?

 

China has already blocked export of graphite since 2020. The US has a large scale rare earths site in Mountain Pass, Callifornia. The US has sponsored Australian exploitation of rare earths in Africa.

 

In 2022, the latest year available, the world discarded e-waste containing 31 million metric tons of metals, 17 million tons of plastics, and 14 million tons of minerals, glass, and other reusable materials. But only an estimated 19 million tons was recycled—mainly “metals like iron which is present in high quantities and has high recycling rates in almost all e-waste management routes,” the Global E-Waste Monitor, a partnership between the International Telecommunication Union and the United Nations, reports.

 

The United States throws away nearly 7 million tons of e-waste each year, and as elsewhere, only the easiest parts, such as iron, are recycled. That’s doubly wasteful because discarded gadgets often end up in landfills, where they can poison soil and water—and because they contain the very rare-earth metals that are so desperately needed in new electronic gadgets.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/04/08/trump-ukraine-rare-earths-recycling/?utm_content=gifting&tpcc=gifting_article&gifting_article=dHJ1bXAtdWtyYWluZS1yYXJlLWVhcnRocy1yZWN5Y2xpbmc=&pid=CW941515

 

With a bit of American ingenuity the US can overcome the rare earths problem. Of course now very little is recycled, but that's the whole point, the potential is there to increase it massively.

 

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

China has already blocked export of graphite since 2020. The US has a large scale rare earths site in Mountain Pass, Callifornia. The US has sponsored Australian exploitation of rare earths in Africa.

 

In 2022, the latest year available, the world discarded e-waste containing 31 million metric tons of metals, 17 million tons of plastics, and 14 million tons of minerals, glass, and other reusable materials. But only an estimated 19 million tons was recycled—mainly “metals like iron which is present in high quantities and has high recycling rates in almost all e-waste management routes,” the Global E-Waste Monitor, a partnership between the International Telecommunication Union and the United Nations, reports.

 

The United States throws away nearly 7 million tons of e-waste each year, and as elsewhere, only the easiest parts, such as iron, are recycled. That’s doubly wasteful because discarded gadgets often end up in landfills, where they can poison soil and water—and because they contain the very rare-earth metals that are so desperately needed in new electronic gadgets.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/04/08/trump-ukraine-rare-earths-recycling/?utm_content=gifting&tpcc=gifting_article&gifting_article=dHJ1bXAtdWtyYWluZS1yYXJlLWVhcnRocy1yZWN5Y2xpbmc=&pid=CW941515

 

With a bit of American ingenuity the US can overcome the rare earths problem. Of course now very little is recycled, but that's the whole point, the potential is there to increase it massively.

 

Why did you ignore the question of how much of the USA rare earths currently comes from recyclers? Deflecting much?

32 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Why did you ignore the question of how much of the USA rare earths currently comes from recyclers? Deflecting much?

 

I didn't. You didn't read the reply properly.