16 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Trump is a tiny, sad man and an incredible loser, 

 

spidermike007 : You just described your reality.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Good post. My question would be just how many white farmers have been killed? Was it a dozen, or thousands, as the lying goon claims?

According to the article I linked, there are around 50 farmers killed every year, both white and black.

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Oh dear, the Trump fanboys club has been fooled again. When will they learn?

I suggest posters read https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce81334je72o

Fact Checking Trump's Oval Office confontration with Ramaphos

The rows of white crosses along a rural road which Trump claimed were burial sites of over a thousand  white farmers were in fact a temporary memorial in protest against the murder of one white farming couple Glen and Vida Rafferty, who were ambushed and shot dead on their premises in 2020.

The crosses are no longer there.

 Out of a total of 26,232 murders in South Africa last year, 44 were killings of people within the farming community and of those, only eight were of farmers.

Hardly figures of genocide!

 The image Trump showed which he claimed was evidence of white farmer killings in South Africa isn't from South Africa - it's actually from a report about women being killed in the Democratic Republic of Congo!

 

 

How do you dare to post facts? You will get thumbs down from MAGA posters for this affront! 😆

9 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

 

Who's laughing now? 🤣

 

Trump displays DRC visual as proof of South African 'genocide'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-displays-drc-visual-proof-190611025.html

18 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

 

Visit Suid Afrika before running your mouth and looking like a fool.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/05/president-trump-is-right-about-whats-happening-in-south-africa/

 

 

 

 

Killing isnt ever right no matter the race or country but I guess White South Africans dont like being treated like they treated Black South Africans just a few short decades ago do they? 

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Oh dear, the Trump fanboys club has been fooled again. When will they learn?

I suggest posters read https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce81334je72o

Fact Checking Trump's Oval Office confontration with Ramaphos

The rows of white crosses along a rural road which Trump claimed were burial sites of over a thousand  white farmers were in fact a temporary memorial in protest against the murder of one white farming couple Glen and Vida Rafferty, who were ambushed and shot dead on their premises in 2020.

The crosses are no longer there.

 Out of a total of 26,232 murders in South Africa last year, 44 were killings of people within the farming community and of those, only eight were of farmers.

Hardly figures of genocide!

 The image Trump showed which he claimed was evidence of white farmer killings in South Africa isn't from South Africa - it's actually from a report about women being killed in the Democratic Republic of Congo!

 

 

Now, Now your just gonna confuse the mentally feeble minded trumpettes that are being duped by a conman. The verbal diarrhea they will spew to claim your facts are propaganda or MSM lies will quickly fill the pages although they wont be able to provide any facts, just somehow blame Biden for creating the situation

18 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Now, Now your just gonna confuse the mentally feeble minded trumpettes that are being duped by a conman. The verbal diarrhea they will spew to claim your facts are propaganda or MSM lies will quickly fill the pages although they wont be able to provide any facts, just somehow blame Biden for creating the situation

After all these years of so many lies, mistruths, misinformation, exaggeration- in other words steaming horse manure, how can the Trump fanboys still believe a word he says? 

Beyond belief.

30 minutes ago, bannork said:

After all these years of so many lies, mistruths, misinformation, exaggeration- in other words steaming horse manure, how can the Trump fanboys still believe a word he says? 

Beyond belief.

It does baffle the imagination and question the mentality of the hardcore cultist. I have come to conclude that the majority are either a similar flawed character type or suffer from Stockholm Syndrome and cant admit to their stupidity.

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

get a grip brother

I dont hear any facts being presented by you or the other minions that have been duped by the conman trump. Pony up with some facts and truth to counter Mike's post or put up or shut up as they say.

2 hours ago, candide said:

According to the article I linked, there are around 50 farmers killed every year, both white and black.

Okay that makes sense, however Trump failed to mention the black farmers as they just simply don't count. In his mind they are people of color, and therefore irrelevant and infinitely less important than white folks. He continues to be the most divisive and hate filled president in American history. 

3 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

 

spidermike007 : You just described your reality.

 

 

 

Nah. He doesn't drive me crazy, I actually find him quite amusing, and I just like many others enjoy commenting on his inane behavior and his daily silliness. 

 

 

23 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

I wonder who is next on Trump's list of world leaders to get told their pedigree rather than getting their pocket pi**ed in.

 

Zelensky got what he deserved, as did Mr. Ramaphosa.  Starmer got off very lightly and was probably thanking the Gods all the way to the airport. 

 

 

Can’t stand Starmer, but why would Trump try to embarrass the country that always has its back? Between western allies at least, the whole tariff on perceived trade deficit thing is a joke. 
 

Even for Trump lovers, his denigrating of statesmen in a televised setting must surely be cringe? Super embarrassing for normal Americans for sure. Even if he is right, that’s not the way to go about it. Total buffoon. 

41 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Will you be paying reparations?

 

Why would I pay reparations to  Zimbabwe I did not take the Africans' land and resources. Nor have I ever exploited the  Zimbabweans.

Maybe Trump wants more time golfing, so he is trying to discourage international leaders from visiting the USA, where he will have to spend time meeting and greeting them.

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Good post. My question would be just how many white farmers have been killed? Was it a dozen, or thousands, as the lying goon claims?

Thanks, I appreciate your response. I do not have any accurate figures, but having followed this situation for many years, my impression and opinion is that the number is huge, somewhere in the several of tens of thousands. During my time there (1990s), what was most in the news was the inter-tribal, black-on-black killings. They were horribly bestial, with bodies hacked to pieces or “necklaced”. I lost several of my factory workers to these senseless killings. There are 8 or 9 “officially recognized” tribes in South Africa, and many of them hate each others’ guts. So this goes far deeper than skin colour.

 

Take the time to watch the video I posted, also the one by Katie Hopkins posted by @merck (I know she may be too much for some with her flippant sarcasm, but in this one she is very serious and not out for cheap points). Better yet, find articles and videos from sources you trust, because it is in the nature of documentaries to only show one side of an issue, and they are usually very persuasive. My impression is that killings of white farmers happen on an “industrial scale” is not a controversial issue, but the South African government will of course tone down the seriousness and numbers to fit their narrative. And to add insult to injury, the moral underpinnings of the taking back white owned land and redistributing it to blacks have not exactly yielded stellar results. Neither in Zimbabwe nor in South Africa. In many cases the land was used as rewards for supporters of the government, people already wealthy who had no idea how to farm, and the end result being massively reduced output and starvation as a result. Sad but true. From breadbasket to basket case.

 

I came to this discussion mostly driven by my close connections to South Africa, and not so much to discuss Trump, but being an avid fanboy and proud of that, I will make a couple of comments around that too while I’m here anyway. Firstly I was impressed with your long post regarding tariffs and China, a bit off-topic as such in this particular thread, but with lots of facts, details and substance. More of this please! Now I cannot speak for Trump nor read his mind, but I would venture to guess he would mostly agree with your situational description of China having risen to dominate manufacturing and more and more also the science and technology underpinning this. How did this happen? With good help from US and other companies out to save money by moving their operations to China. And also by the CCPs policy of stealing intellectual property and copying. But that is water under the bridge now.

 

As I understand it, tariffs is Trump’s preferred tool to break this vicious circle and bring manufacturing and R&D back to the US. And that is why he initially goes very hard and deep, to get attention, scare and sometimes (economically) force companies back to the US. And also to level out very unfair trade protections from trading partners. During negotiations positions will be adjusted and an equilibrium will usually be found, hopefully with very few/low tariffs, to let market forces decide. It is a very risky game to play, and only time will tell if it will work. And will it be enough to counter China going forward, who knows? Perhaps the US has already fallen too far, much like Europe, the latter really is a basket case at this stage, beyond saving in my opinion. Very sad indeed.

 

Finally in closing, I am really shocked to see the abject hatred of Trump coming from many posters here, totally dominating their opinions and blocking for a constructive discussion. Often based on nothing but emotions. I do not agree with all Trump does or says, and of course he also lies. Allow me a bit of "whataboutism": Show me any politician who doesn’t lie. But I will go out on a limb and say that in my opinion Trump engages mostly in hyperbole (and ad hominem and other not-so-nice tactics as well), but more often than not is he not outright lying, but actually “directionally correct”. No, I cannot give stats or evidence of this, just my “informed fanboy opinion”. So there!
 

22 minutes ago, MeaMaximaCulpa said:

Take the time to watch the video I posted, also the one by Katie Hopkins posted by @merck (I know she may be too much for some with her flippant sarcasm, but in this one she is very serious

Sorry I couldn't get further than this in your post. Still pissing myself.

23 hours ago, impulse said:

He explained to the entire world in very clear terms why he's offering asylum to Afrikaners.  With video.

And you fell for the lies and exaggerated rhetoric hook line and sinker?  You know the difference between graves and temporary memorial crosses on the P39-1 stretch of highway in that video mash up, much like you know that MS-13 photo wasn't photoshopped yeah? Looks like they got you where they want you.

1 minute ago, WorriedNoodle said:

And you fell for the lies and exaggerated rhetoric hook line and sinker?  You know the difference between graves and temporary memorial crosses on the P39-1 stretch of highway in that video mash up, much like you know that MS-13 photo wasn't photoshopped yeah? Looks like they got you where they want you.

 

Dead is dead, whether it's their actual burial site or temporary memorial crosses. 

 

33 minutes ago, Digitalbanana said:

Sorry I couldn't get further than this in your post. Still pissing myself.

Your loss, I don't really care

23 minutes ago, impulse said:

Dead is dead, whether it's their actual burial site or temporary memorial crosses. 

Trump literally said as he ambushed the South African president the "white crosses are burial sites of thousands of white farmers". So you read his comments with different words? How does one do that if not existing is some parallel universe of reality?

A recent news verification of those "thousands of white farmer burial sites" that the POTUS referred to, found out they were a former temporary memorial display to honor two farmers who had been killed there.

22 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

 

 

 

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/south-africa-blighted-racially-charged-farm-murders-031420965.html

That's all you can come up with? An almost 10 years old article, when the real issue is already found in the post right above yours?

41 minutes ago, MeaMaximaCulpa said:

Your loss, I don't really care

Naw.

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

That's all you can come up with? An almost 10 years old article, when the real issue is already found in the post right above yours?

 

Hi Sherm, the 'dated' article was to prove this has been an ongoing issue, 

 

White Lives Matter

 

 

1 hour ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

For the past sins of the evil white man.  AKA White Guilt.

So how were the Zimbabweans exploited when Britain improved the quality of life that the Zimbabweans destroyed for over 45 years.

 

If you believe that you have sins because you are evil and have caused damage, then yes, offer restitution for the harm you caused.  However, I am not evil and have not committed sinful acts against the African.

 

The British did not improve the quality of life for the African in the region  previously called Zimbabwe. On the contrary, Cecil Rhodes' arrival  and subsequent colonization resulted in a destruction  and erosion of the quality of life for Africans. Rhodes was a corrupt profiteer who used  his political position in South Africa to illegally and unfairly expropriate land from native Africans. He then systematically denied the native Africans a right to vote. His business ventures  resulted in the creation of a monopoly in the world diamond market , and his legacy company De Beers still tries to control the market.  Rhodesia was run as a corporate possession and the mining and other commercial  resource  exploitation resulted in deforestation, and polluted  water due to the  mining runoff.  The loclal Africans were forced off their land and denied access to water. 

Rhodes even started a war with Transvaal, trying to take the land  used and occupied Afrikaners.  It is understandable why the Afrikaners despised him too and did not care much for Rhodesians.

In 1965, Rhodesia  staged an insurrection and chose to violate its agreements as a colony subject to British rule. Rhodesia was never a lawful country until native African rule  was put in place.

27 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

 

Hi Sherm, the 'dated' article was to prove this has been an ongoing issue, 

 

White Lives Matter

 

 

Numbers don't lie, you do.

8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Numbers don't lie, you do.

 

Try padding yourself down there 👇 with some buttermilk if the sting is that bad .

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, WorriedNoodle said:

Trump literally said as he ambushed the South African president the "white crosses are burial sites of thousands of white farmers". So you read his comments with different words? How does one do that if not existing is some parallel universe of reality?

A recent news verification of those "thousands of white farmer burial sites" that the POTUS referred to, found out they were a former temporary memorial display to honor two farmers who had been killed there.

And we all know that Trump is a world class BS artist. Still, you are not seeing the forest for the trees.  The fact that white farmers possibly in their thousands have been murdered, had their families killed, women raped and abused, property destroyed and stolen, is really not disputed.

 

You may choose to believe the tripe that the SA government puts out, it is in their interests to downplay the problem. Ditto the UN- it kills their narrative when non POC are abused and hurt.  Easier to ignore the problem and dismiss it as @"historical grievance". 

4 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

I have no guilt for being a white boy.

 

You, on the other hand do.  As the case with the majority of leftists.

 

While mentioning the evil white men of Rhodesia you failed to mention the black on black violence that people like you have a tendency to overlook.

 

How do you bear to spend time in Thailand.  So many non white people.

Likely fewer visitors to the Whitehouse

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Dan O said:

Now, Now your just gonna confuse the mentally feeble minded trumpettes that are being duped by a conman. The verbal diarrhea they will spew to claim your facts are propaganda or MSM lies will quickly fill the pages although they wont be able to provide any facts, just somehow blame Biden for creating the situation

Could this be a reason why Trump hates being fact checked?