Doctors to refuse carrying out mandatory chemical castration’

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Medical Ethics Clash with Government Over Mandatory Chemical Castration Plans for Sex Offenders

 

A proposed policy to enforce chemical castration on sex offenders has ignited a fierce debate among medical professionals, politicians, and advocacy groups, with many doctors warning they would refuse to comply with compulsory treatment orders.

 

Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood suggested mandatory medication to suppress sexual urges in paedophiles could have a "big and positive impact" and revealed the government is examining the legal pathways to enforce it.

 

“We’re exploring all of the options,” said Alex Davies-Jones, the victims minister, noting one possibility includes sectioning offenders under the Mental Health Act to force hospital admission and treatment. “Another option is … that, currently, you could be sectioned for protecting the public or ensuring that there is public safety at the heart of this. There are options where this can be done and we are exploring all of those … We’re straining every sinew.”

 

The concept of mandatory chemical castration, however, has drawn significant opposition from the medical community. Don Grubin, emeritus professor of forensic psychiatry at Newcastle University and a key figure in NHS England’s sexual arousal management programme, rejected the notion outright. “I don’t know quite how it would work and we certainly don’t support it,”

 

Grubin told BBC Radio 4’s World at One. “We’ve always resisted suggestions for mandatory prescribing whenever they’ve been raised. We’ve always structured the programme as treating a health condition, helping patients manage sexual arousal. And that’s very much why I think it’s been effective — because the individuals who are taking the medication want to reduce the risk.”

 

Grubin emphasized that such an approach would fundamentally alter the doctor-patient relationship. “There’d be a lot of resistance from doctors because you’d be asking them really to prescribe not to patients but to reduce risk for society. So they become, in fact, agents of social control, which is something that we’ve always resisted.”

 

Currently, a pilot scheme in eight prisons allows 34 offenders to voluntarily take libido-reducing drugs. Mahmood announced the program will expand to two more regions, ultimately encompassing 20 prisons. Despite this controlled rollout, critics remain skeptical of enforcing treatment without consent.

 

Robert Jenrick, the shadow justice secretary, labeled the government’s announcement a “gimmick,” accusing it of diverting attention from controversial sentencing reforms that allow early release for many serious offenders. He described the proposals as a “recipe for a crime wave” and a “‘get out of jail free’ card for dangerous criminals.” He further argued, “Starmer cannot mandate chemical castration without ripping up human rights legislation. Pigs will fly before that happens.”

 

Families of crime victims have also voiced strong opposition. The parents of Sarah Everard joined the Justice for Victims group in condemning the sentencing policy changes, stating there “isn’t any excuse for letting the worst offenders get out of prison even earlier.” Dame Nicole Jacobs, the domestic abuse commissioner, added that the proposed changes send “a clear message to domestic abusers that they can offend with little consequence,” while the Suzy Lamplugh Trust warned of increased risks to stalking victims.

 

Despite the storm of controversy, some authorities support expanding voluntary chemical castration. The head of the Prison Officers’ Association claimed successful outcomes and reported no issues administering the drugs. Former justice secretary David Gauke, who previously conducted a sentencing review, argued that voluntary treatment offers potential. “I had come across sex offenders who were desperate to rid themselves of sexual desires,” he said, noting that “they were very keen to be able to take chemical suppressants to try to reduce those urges.”

 

While weight-loss medications are also being considered for their potential to curb addictive behaviors, critics like the Prison Reform Trust maintain that forced treatment raises “clear ethical considerations,” with CEO Pia Sinha warning of the “invidious” position such mandates could place doctors in.

 

The debate over mandatory chemical castration continues to highlight the complex intersection of criminal justice, medical ethics, and public safety.

 

  Adapted by ASEAN Now from The Times  2025-05-24

 

 

[KhunLA]

Mixed thoughts, and I guess it depends how it's instituted.  If voluntary by the pedophile to avoid long prison sentence, then I don't think the doc would have moral standard issue.

 

They really should raise the punishment for pedophiles, to life in prison, no parole.  Honest pedophiles are always on record, stating they can't be cured of the urge.

 

Does the chemical castration even work.  Would not testosterone treatment simply negate to process.

 

Life in prison ... why take the chance of having them walking among our children.

[SAFETY FIRST]

42 minutes ago, Social Media said:

Doctors to refuse carrying out mandatory chemical castration’ 

What a load of crap, For a fee they're quite happy to remove a penis from a ladyboy. 

 

Find a doctor who has some balls, not the woke type. 

 

<deleted> it, I'll do it. 

 

I feel so sorry for the girls these creatures attack. 

 

 

 

[newbee2022]

I sharp knife would be the best 😂

[FlorC]

It's in Britain , so castration would only be for white offenders.

The grooming and rape gang member of colour will be ignored

as usual.

[dinsdale]

If it's mandatory then I agree with the docs. As for ethics how can giving hormone blockers to children be ethical. 

[EVENKEEL]

Now you have to define sex offender. Is there a time restriction? Can a woman come forward 30 yrs later and accuse a man of rape ? 

 

All kind of scenarios where this would be wrong and many where it's the right thing to do.

[blaze master]

4 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

What a load of crap, For a fee they're quite happy to remove a penis from a ladyboy. 

 

Find a doctor who has some balls, not the woke type. 

 

<deleted> it, I'll do it. 

 

I feel so sorry for the girls these creatures attack. 

 

 

 

 

Many men go through this quietly without people ever even knowing. 

[WorriedNoodle]

27 minutes ago, FlorC said:

It's in Britain , so castration would only be for white offenders.

The grooming and rape gang member of colour will be ignored

as usual.

Some peoples minds seem to have been chemically castrated.

[oxo1947]

5 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Many men go through this quietly without people ever even knowing. 

Could you give us a link on that blaze Master -- I looked before asking.

 

Also the confusion in some peoples minds  re Pedophilia---and -- Ephebophilia , some states in America have age of consent at 18   Washington has it at 21 in certain circumstances 

On this forum (some) seem to feel that Pedophilia is going with any one under age of consent --when consent in so many European countries Like Germany --Italy etc  etc is 14

 

[blaze master]

2 minutes ago, oxo1947 said:

Could you give us a link on that blaze Master -- I looked before asking.

 

Also the confusion in some peoples minds  re Pedophilia---and -- Ephebophilia , some states in America have age of consent at 18   Washington has it at 21 in certain circumstances 

On this forum (some) seem to feel that Pedophilia is going with any one under age of consent --when consent in so many European countries Like Germany --Italy etc  etc is 14

 

 

That's like asking me to give a link to all the unreported rapes that happen. 

 

 

[fredwiggy]

28 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Many men go through this quietly without people ever even knowing. 

Of course, if you take any large group of people you will certainly find an amount of rapists, child molesters, thieves, murderers, bank robbers, corrupt officials, believers in God, atheists, people on the left, right and in the middle politically, alcoholics, drug addicts, those with clinical depression, narcissists, empaths and combinations of all, but there's nothing you can do until they are caught breaking the law and held accountable. 

 

Chemical castration can help, but should not also be a reason to let offenders go. There are are kinds of offenders, from those just having images on their computers or phones, to those who commit the most heinous of crimes against children. A lot of this involves control, just as a rapist thinks.It isn't all about sex. 

 

Some can be let go and monitored and might never break the law again, and some will commit crimes the day they're released. It's a learned behavior and hard or impossible to change. Those who commit crimes against children are usually victims themselves from their childhoods. Life in prison is for some, a long sentence for others, castration for some, and release is for others, but they have to be very sure which ones are which.

[blaze master]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

, but they have to be very sure which ones are which.

 

1000000000 percent agree

[fredwiggy]

10 minutes ago, oxo1947 said:

Could you give us a link on that blaze Master -- I looked before asking.

 

Also the confusion in some peoples minds  re Pedophilia---and -- Ephebophilia , some states in America have age of consent at 18   Washington has it at 21 in certain circumstances 

On this forum (some) seem to feel that Pedophilia is going with any one under age of consent --when consent in so many European countries Like Germany --Italy etc  etc is 14

 

Which shows the level of thinking of those in charge. It should be 18 everywhere. The brain isn't fully developed until mid 20's, and many irrational and dangerous decisions are made by those younger.

[jcmj]

Anyone who has been accused of pedophilia and found by a court guilty should be sent to prison for life and given a special uniform that states, I’m a pedophile or child milestone or child rapist. We all know how much the other prisoners hate this group. Reap what you sow. No sympathy for them, only the children they abused. 

[JonnyF]

Just use doctors who aren't weak pearl clutching lefties.

 

It's not like there are going to be hundreds of these procedures per day. 

 

It can't be that complicated. Any nurse could do it. How long does it take to teach someone how to inject someone? Half a day? I'd imagine there would be plenty of volunteers. 

[oxo1947]

56 minutes ago, blaze master said:

That's like asking me to give a link to all the unreported rapes that happen. 

 

  So this statement --"Many men go through this quietly without people ever even knowing"---. is   1/hearsay   2/ Rumor    3/ Gossip     /4  fantasy    ????.................

[JackGats]

1 hour ago, oxo1947 said:

Could you give us a link on that blaze Master -- I looked before asking.

 

Also the confusion in some peoples minds  re Pedophilia---and -- Ephebophilia , some states in America have age of consent at 18   Washington has it at 21 in certain circumstances 

On this forum (some) seem to feel that Pedophilia is going with any one under age of consent --when consent in so many European countries Like Germany --Italy etc  etc is 14

 

For most normies these days, any man attracted to teenage girls is a pedophile. 

 

Some men (not many) have guts though. For instance Eivind Berge (at Evind Berge's blogg). The guy trumpeted: "Since men attracted to teenage girls are considered pedophiles, I declare myself a proud pedophile". Not bad as he's blogging with his real pic and under his real name.

 

Note that you can get called a pedophile just by dating a female younger than yourself.

 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahmarder/adult-famous-men-who-dated-teens-1

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Just use doctors who aren't weak pearl clutching lefties.

 

It's not like there are going to be hundreds of these procedures per day. 

 

It can't be that complicated. Any nurse could do it. How long does it take to teach someone how to inject someone? Half a day? I'd imagine there would be plenty of volunteers. 

I’m sure you’d be at the front of the queue to volunteer, but do take care with the needle, we wouldn’t want you accidentally nuetering yourself.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m sure you’d be at the front of the queue to volunteer,

 

Not unless the victim was a relative. I wouldn't want to steal the opportunity from someone more deserving. 

 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

but do take care with the needle, we wouldn’t want you accidentally nuetering yourself.

 

I think you are underestimating my virility. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Not unless the victim was a relative. I wouldn't want to steal the opportunity from someone more deserving. 

 

 

I think you are underestimating my virility. 

I’m not sure why you need to talk it up.

 

On the relative thing, most sexual abuse of children is by relatives.

 

“Familial abuse accounts for some two thirds of all child sex abuse, though the true figure could be even higher due to under-reporting.”

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/unseen-evil-sex-abuse-in-families-going-under-the-radar-say-inspectorates

[connda]

"Do No Harm."

No doctor should be forced to castrate anyone, chemically or physically. 

However, in hiring medical staff, the prisons should screen for doctors will to do what their employers mandate them to do.  Hire willing staff.  For those who don't want to do it - well, I'd think being a medical professional working for the prison system would end up being a dead-end profession. 

[connda]

8 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

What a load of crap, For a fee they're quite happy to remove a penis from a ladyboy. 

 

Find a doctor who has some balls, not the woke type. 

 

<deleted> it, I'll do it. 

 

I feel so sorry for the girls these creatures attack. 

 

 

 

I was going to mention that.

"I can't castrate this man and treat him with estrogen.  It's it's it's - unethical!"
"You want me to cut your Johnson and his two friends off and give you estrogen and refer to you a she/her so you can be sent to a women's prison. Sure! Hop up on the table ma'am!"

The paradox  👆

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Just use doctors who aren't weak pearl clutching lefties.

[sungod]

I agree all nonces should be given the choice,

 

Chemical castration or the rope.

[digger70]

Doctors to refuse carrying out mandatory chemical castration.  

 

Fine, do the Real  Castration thing than thats for sure to work.

Giving Pills to the Rock spiders  could be trouble . If they Don't take the pills.

[FlorC]

If you want to enforce chemical castration on sex offenders, then

they should cut off the hands of thieves , and end the life of murderers.

An eye for an eye.

No need to single out only sex offerders.

[jacnl2000]

It’s fascinating how the word “flasher” connects to several very different realities: one deeply personal and unsettling, another coldly bureaucratic and impersonal, and yet another tied to lasting impressions. The speeding fine I received near Schiphol was a clear-cut case—no consent, no negotiation, just an unavoidable penalty handed down.

Yesterday, I was invited to visit an escape room. I must have been quite popular somewhere in the south of the Netherlands—someone who recognized me even asked to take a selfie with me in the background. Today, I find myself imagining a far bleaker kind of escape room: one containing nothing but a bare table, a single knife, and no food.

That stark image captures the feeling of being trapped by impossible choices—an unforgiving test of endurance and will. It brings to mind a person I met in Nepal, educated at Wageningen University—someone who learned to appreciate the existence of seeds and watched the steady growth of his own belt—who once advised me always to offer others a way out.

That wisdom feels more important than ever—a reminder that in life, compassion and humane options are essential, rather than forcing ourselves or others into cruel dilemmas with no escape.

[CanadaSam]

I wonder if those unwilling doctors would change their minds if it was their own children who were molested?

[Magictoad]

There are lots of people who will, though they are not medically qualified.

[Bday Prang]

13 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

There are lots of people who will, though they are not medically qualified.

who cares if they are not qualified, ?