Why are more than 300 people in the US still dying from COVID every week?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Meanwhile, from elsewhere in the forum relating to COVID and the flu in Thailand:

 

 

[frank83628]

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Unlike you, everything I post here is sourced to credible sources and includes the supporting weblinks for the info.

 

I have zero interest in hearing about the covid scam any longer. Not sure why you are so highly obsessed with it though.

Are you of ill health, in the vulnerable bracket?

Seems to be all you ever post about, and masked dog in your profile, fortunately I only started posting here after covid. I dread to think of the absolute panic that went on here.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Strangely enough, most of the same good habits that help protect people from COVID also help protect them from the flu, given that they're both viral infections:

 

--getting vaccinated

--wearing a quality face mask when close around others

--practicing good hand hygiene

--keeping in good general health

etc etc etc.

 

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I have zero interest in hearing about the covid scam any longer. Not sure why you are so highly obsessed with it though.

Are you of ill health, in the vulnerable bracket?

Seems to be all you ever post about, and masked dog in your profile, fortunately I only started posting here after covid. I dread to think of the absolute panic that went on here.

You don't want to hear about it, but writing about it is still ok?

[freedomnow]

because they had pre-existing conditions and died with covid.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

45 minutes ago, impulse said:

I think they're still jabbing toddlers in spite of miniscule risk and a potential lifetime of long term side effects that we can't possibly know until a long time has passed and someone studies them.

 

You're trolling out the well-worn anti-vaxer arguments about prospective long term side effects, whereas in fact, a long history of vaccines show that any side effects that do surface typically happen in the very short term post-vaccination.  We're now 4+ years into the global COVID vaccination regimen, and it's very likely that anything that might surface has already surfaced.

 

As for children being vaccinated, especially the very young, the reason is that their immune systems are still developing, and aren't as protective as they'll be later in life. So the COVID vaccines give protection to the very young who also haven't been previously exposed to COVID and thus haven't had any immunity from prior infection.  Listen to the pediatricians:

 

New FDA framework on Covid vaccines leaves pediatricians confused and concerned

 

May 20, 2025

...

 

"The possibility that Covid shots would become unavailable for kids alarmed pediatricians. “I see children admitted to the hospital with Covid and they’re not all high-risk children — including those who go to intensive care units,” said James Campbell, a professor of pediatrics and infectious diseases specialist at the University of Maryland. “If we have safe and effective vaccines that prevent illness, we think they should be available.” [emphasis added]

...

 

Making sure children have immunity through early vaccination is something many physicians support, however, especially because most infants have not been exposed to the virus. “I think there is strong data to suggest Covid should be part of routine childhood vaccinations,” said Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease physician and senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “We vaccinate kids for things that have less morbidity and mortality than Covid, like chickenpox for example.”

 

Emergency physician Jeremy Faust of Boston’s Brigham and Women’s Hospital, who hosted his own livestream to discuss the new framework as soon as it was released, said it was critical to make sure “immune-naive” infants 6 months and older receive the vaccine."

 

(more)

 

 

https://archive.ph/d6faP

 

[simon43]

30 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I have zero interest in hearing about the covid scam any longer. Not sure why you are so highly obsessed with it though.

Are you of ill health, in the vulnerable bracket?

Seems to be all you ever post about, and masked dog in your profile, fortunately I only started posting here after covid. I dread to think of the absolute panic that went on here.

TallGuyJohninBKK is one of the few posters who posts facts on this topic, backed up with relevant links.  His posts are a breath of fresh air on threads populated by tin-hat posts from persons who seem mostly to have learnt science and virology from 'The Puffin Book of Nasty Illnesses'

[blaze master]

How many people die in USA  every week from heart disease etc.

 

 

[still kicking]

20 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

because they had pre-existing conditions and died with covid.

B/S my friends are both in their 40s with no underlying condition, died 

[freedomnow]

1 minute ago, still kicking said:

B/S my friends are both in their 40s with no underlying condition, died 

Yes, you are right..all quoted persons were healthy and died only from covid.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

28 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

because they had pre-existing conditions and died with covid.

 

You're repeating a falsehood that's already been debunked in two graphics I previously posted in this thread above from the U.S. government:

 

Of all reported COVID deaths in the U.S. thus far in 2025, at least two third had COVID as the underlying / main cause.

 

If you go back to the entire duration of the pandemic, that share rises to 87%:

 

[frank83628]

7 minutes ago, simon43 said:

TallGuyJohninBKK is one of the few posters who posts facts on this topic, backed up with relevant links.  His posts are a breath of fresh air on threads populated by tin-hat posts from persons who seem mostly to have learnt science and virology from 'The Puffin Book of Nasty Illnesses'

The science says that 82 is the average age for deaths....and .08% mortality rate, if you want to spend your days worrying about something like that, then go for it.

 

[WayWokeWhiteGuy]

51 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Unlike you, everything I post here is sourced to credible sources and includes the supporting weblinks for the info.

 

None of my  sources are those with long histories of COVID misinformation or unknown social media types trolling the gutters of the internet.

 

Let the anti-vax morons die.

[papa al]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Except you're wrong, as the CDC chart for 2025 below shows:

 

 

At least 67% of the reported COVID deaths in the U.S. thus far this year had COVID as the underlying [main] cause. Only the remaining one-third had COVID as a contributing cause.

 

But hey, keep making up stuff as you go along...

 

 

th doctor who names the cause of death works for a hospital that gets paid much more if c19 is listed.

follow the money.

[papa al]

1 minute ago, WayWokeWhiteGuy said:

Let the anti-vax morons die.

RFK Jr.?

[frank83628]

40 minutes ago, stevenl said:

You don't want to hear about it, but writing about it is still ok?

No, I asked a question to the OP, I couldnt care less about covid-con. To this day I still don't know 1person that died, there was panic all over Phangan about the hospitals being full and only 3 ventilaters to go round.....nothing happened... but but, the virus is so deadly, nothing happened at all.

The UV is Strong here in thailand, fresh air, lots of fruit and a healthy lifestyle...  you keep the fearmongering, I'll live my life as normal.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

The science says that 82 is the average age for deaths....and .08% mortality rate, if you want to spend your days worrying about something like that, then go for it.

 

 

 

"One study from October 2020 calculated that the virus had stolen 2.5 million years of potential life in the US. Just under half of these years were taken from people younger than 65 years. As the paper’s author, Dr. Stephen J. Elledge said, “COVID-19 has wiped out millions of years of productive, active, and happy existence.”

 

Another study from May 2022 calculated the virus had stolen 3.9 million years of life away from Americans and the average COVID victim lost over 9 years of life. Not all COVID victims were 90-year-olds with advanced cancer, only days away from dying, when they happened to test positive for SARS-CoV-2 as some doctors implied. In the words of Dr. Utibe Essien:

These are everyday people who are dying. They’re losing time with their kids, their grandkids, their opportunities to build their futures."

 

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/this-thing-has-killed-less-than-or-about-as-many-as-flu-would-kill-in-a-normal-year-in-kids-i-say-hardly-any-80-year-olds-their-time-to-death-in-general-is-not-that-long/

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 minutes ago, papa al said:

th doctor who names the cause of death works for a hospital that gets paid much more if c19 is listed.

follow the money.

 

More unsourced and false nonsense:

 

Hospital COVID payments tied to patient treatment, not deaths

March 10, 2023

 

CLAIM: U.S. hospitals are earning a $48,000 government subsidy for every patient that dies from COVID-19 in their care.

 

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Hospital industry officials and public health experts confirm the federal government provides hospitals with enhanced payments for treating COVID-19 patients, but the payments are only currently applicable to those on Medicare. The enhanced payments, which are slated to end in May, also aren’t contingent on a patient’s death but on the treatment or services provided to the patient, they said. [emphasis added]

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-pandemic-hospitals-medicare-157398144949

 

[frank83628]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

"One study from October 2020 calculated that the virus had stolen 2.5 million years of potential life in the US. Just under half of these years were taken from people younger than 65 years. As the paper’s author, Dr. Stephen J. Elledge said, “COVID-19 has wiped out millions of years of productive, active, and happy existence.”

 

Another study from May 2022 calculated the virus had stolen 3.9 million years of life away from Americans and the average COVID victim lost over 9 years of life. Not all COVID victims were 90-year-olds with advanced cancer, only days away from dying, when they happened to test positive for SARS-CoV-2 as some doctors implied. In the words of Dr. Utibe Essien:

These are everyday people who are dying. They’re losing time with their kids, their grandkids, their opportunities to build their futures."

 

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/this-thing-has-killed-less-than-or-about-as-many-as-flu-would-kill-in-a-normal-year-in-kids-i-say-hardly-any-80-year-olds-their-time-to-death-in-general-is-not-that-long/

 

What ridiculous way to try and scare people. That's 38.000 people....of 7 billion... but 2.5 mil is better way for you to spread  misinformation.

Didn't answer my earlier question either.

Perhaps you're a bot, or paid to post

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

For my UK friends here, not to be entirely U.S.-centric:

 

One year on: Three myths about COVID-19 that the data proved wrong

23 March 2021

...

Myth 1: ‘Those who die from COVID-19 would have died soon anyway’

• In the first year of COVID-19 (5 March 2020 to 5 March 2021), 1.5 million potential years of life were lost in the UK as a result of people dying with the virus. In England and Wales alone this figure is 1.4 million.
• On average, each of the 146,000 people who died with COVID-19 lost 10.2 years of life. [emphasis added]

https://www.health.org.uk/reports-and-analysis/analysis/one-year-on-three-myths-about-covid-19-that-the-data-proved-wrong

 

[jas007]

1 hour ago, johng said:

Forgot to mention  the important statistic of how many had received

1 or more "safe and effective"

 

And vitamin D as a preventative..you know they told everyone to stay home  out of the sunlight ...no effective treatments  that don't happen to involve the same companies pushing safe and effectives  !!!  nothing suspicious there of course. 

Sorry for the late reply.  I had one almost finished a while ago and then I had a power outage.

 

One of the very first red flags for me was the fact that the "authorities" dismissed the fact that 80% or more of the people hospitalized for COVID had a Vitamin D deficiency. And yet anyone who knows anything about the immune system knows the importance of Vitamin D and sunshine.  Anyway, that was Red Flag number one.  Why dismiss, out of hand, the apparent link between Vitamin D and COVID deaths? 

Back in the early 70s, I took courses in Microbiology and Medical Microbiology from one of the world's experts in the field.  I had forgotten 99% of whatever I was supposed to know by the time COVID came along, but for some reason, I distantly remembered the lectures about the importance of Zinc in the process of viral replication.  At the time, they weren't quite sure of the mechanism involved, but they knew it was there.  

 

Today, we know.  Zinc acts as a Vitamin D ionophore.  Anyone who doesn't know what that is should look it up. 

 

Over time, other red flags appeared.  Remember how they went to great lengths to smear Ivermectin as a "horse dewormer"?  

 

Or when they silenced the two doctors who were of the opinion that the ventilators used in the ICUs were doing more harm than good? 

 

I could go on all day, but it soon became obvious: the public was being lied to.  Why, I wasn't sure, but I was sure I'd pass on their jabs.   

 

Couple all that with the fact that truthful information was being deleted from Twitter almost as soon as it was posted and I knew.  I knew it was a scam.  

 

Whatever they were doing, they could count me out.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

25 minutes ago, jas007 said:

One of the very first red flags for me was the fact that the "authorities" dismissed the fact that 80% or more of the people hospitalized for COVID had a Vitamin D deficiency. And yet anyone who knows anything about the immune system knows the importance of Vitamin D and sunshine.

 

There's been research that shows lower Vitamin D levels being found in people with severe COVID and even Long COVID.

 

But last time I checked, the U.S. National Institutes of Health had reviewed available evidence for Vitamin D either as a preventive or treatment for COVID, and concluded to NOT recommend either for or against it's use in connection with COVID, because the available evidence was not sufficiently conclusive, even though some studies had findings suggesting it helped.

 

NIH hasn’t recommended supplements as new COVID-19 strategy

"CLAIM: The NIH now recommends vitamin C, vitamin D3 and zinc for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19.

 

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The National Institutes of Health does not currently recommend, or advise against, those supplements for fighting COVID-19.

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-038944486790

 

The above report was from 2021, but NIH made its final COVID treatment protocols update at the end of 2023 with the same conclusion.

 

This below was from a somewhat earlier report:

Vitamin D doesn't prevent COVID-19, other respiratory infections, studies find

September 8, 2022

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/vitamin-d-doesnt-prevent-covid-19-other-respiratory-infections-studies-find

 

[jas007]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

There's been research that shows lower Vitamin D levels being found in people with severe COVID and even Long COVID.

 

But last time I checked, the U.S. National Institutes of Health had reviewed available evidence for Vitamin D either as a preventive or treatment for COVID, and concluded to NOT recommend either for or against it's use in connection with COVID, because the available evidence was not sufficiently conclusive.

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-038944486790

 

The above report was from 2021, but NIH last updated its findings at the end of 2023 with the same conclusion.

 

This below was from a somewhat earlier report:

Vitamin D doesn't prevent COVID-19, other respiratory infections, studies find

September 8, 2022

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/vitamin-d-doesnt-prevent-covid-19-other-respiratory-infections-studies-find

 

First, consider the source.

 

Second, do some research. The NIH is full of it.  Just another part of the scam.

 

It really isn't rocket science.  Vitamin D is very important to your immune system. That's not even questioned these days. 

 

Remember when they asked Dr, Fauci how much Vitamin D he took every day?  Remember his reply?  As I recall, he said he took 10,000 IU a day.  What's the "recommended" daily dose?  Between 400-800 IU.  For something that does no good, maybe Fauci knows something? 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Anytime anyone comes to this kind of discussion talking about "another part of the scam," that says a lot about their frame of mind / reality...

 

Even so, I never said, and the NIH never said AFAIK, that Vit D has no benefits... They only said, there wasn't sufficient / conclusive evidence to recommend for or against it as a preventive or treatment for COVID.

 

Some general, current info on Vitamin D supplementation:

 

"Your health care provider can advise you on how much vitamin D to take. Some reports published in the past 10 years advocated supplementing with up to 2,000 IU of vitamin D daily. “But more recent clinical trials suggested that amount of intake does not show benefits (no harms either), so it may not be the best generic approach for everybody,” Chan says.

 

Still, excessive doses — the daily upper limit for adults is 100 mcg / 4,000 IU — can do terrible things to the body: vomiting, confusion, dehydration, muscle weakness and more. Extremely high levels of vitamin D can lead to kidney failure and death."

 

https://www.aarp.org/health/drugs-supplements/supplements-after-50/

 

 

 

[Patong2021]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Seeing as how that's by prescription only in the USofA, isn't that an indictment of health care professionals?

 

 

Not at all.

Health professionals do not control the regulation of pharmaceuticals. The US FDA  is responsible for determining whether or not a drug is OTC, behind the counter or by prescription only.

The product here is very powerful and should only be used for the listed  illness. The reason the  drug is controlled is to prevent  misuse and the creation of drug resistant infections. Also, some people should not take the drug because of underlying chronic conditions 

The  under use is attributable to;

1. Poverty: The drug is expensive, and most people do not have drug or health coverage that covers the full cost.

2. Access: Rural and small town locations  are not always close to a pharmacy that carries the product. Older and chronically ill people may not have the means to access a pharmacy.

3. Misinformation: There is so much false and misleading information, that a large number of people are hesitant to use the product, or are aware of how and when to use it.

4. Late diagnosis: As per the article, it takes far too long to identify  Covid and to access   appropriate treatment

 

Secretary of Health Robert F. Kennedy has been in the job  for 5 months now. If this  was a priority for him, the regulation would have been changed. He has a more important task now: Trying to link vaccines and autism. 🤑

[jas007]

49 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Anytime anyone comes to this kind of discussion talking about "another part of the scam," that says a lot about their frame of mind / reality...

 

Even so, I never said, and the NIH never said AFAIK, that Vit D has no benefits... They only said, there wasn't sufficient / conclusive evidence to recommend for or against it as a preventive or treatment for COVID.

 

Some general, current info on Vitamin D supplementation:

 

"Your health care provider can advise you on how much vitamin D to take. Some reports published in the past 10 years advocated supplementing with up to 2,000 IU of vitamin D daily. “But more recent clinical trials suggested that amount of intake does not show benefits (no harms either), so it may not be the best generic approach for everybody,” Chan says.

 

Still, excessive doses — the daily upper limit for adults is 100 mcg / 4,000 IU — can do terrible things to the body: vomiting, confusion, dehydration, muscle weakness and more. Extremely high levels of vitamin D can lead to kidney failure and death."

 

https://www.aarp.org/health/drugs-supplements/supplements-after-50/

 

 

 

If you seriously think the NIH isn't part of the scam, then you're the one who needs to open his eyes.  

 

Occam's razor.  Ever hear of that?   Step back and look at the big picture. 

 

You remind me of the people who say there's no evidence that vaccines result in autism.  And yet when you track the autism rates along side the vaccine frequency, guess what?  

 

Let me guess.  You'd. say there's "no evidence" of a connection.  

 

Go shill somewhere else.  No one with a brain is going to buy your nonsense. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Now you're onto vaccines and autism, echoing serial anti-vaxer and COVID misinformer RFK Jr.  Enough said....

 

[farang51]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

You remind me of the people who say there's no evidence that vaccines result in autism.  And yet when you track the autism rates along side the vaccine frequency, guess what?  

It's not the vaccines, it's the internet! Do your own research and compare the use of the internet and the frequency of autism, and you will see a clear connection.

[BKKBike09]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

There's been research that shows lower Vitamin D levels being found in people with severe COVID and even Long COVID.

 

But last time I checked, the U.S. National Institutes of Health had reviewed available evidence for Vitamin D either as a preventive or treatment for COVID, and concluded to NOT recommend either for or against it's use in connection with COVID, because the available evidence was not sufficiently conclusive, even though some studies had findings suggesting it helped.

 

NIH hasn’t recommended supplements as new COVID-19 strategy

"CLAIM: The NIH now recommends vitamin C, vitamin D3 and zinc for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19.

 

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The National Institutes of Health does not currently recommend, or advise against, those supplements for fighting COVID-19.

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-038944486790

 

The above report was from 2021, but NIH made its final COVID treatment protocols update at the end of 2023 with the same conclusion.

 

This below was from a somewhat earlier report:

Vitamin D doesn't prevent COVID-19, other respiratory infections, studies find

September 8, 2022

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/vitamin-d-doesnt-prevent-covid-19-other-respiratory-infections-studies-find

 

 

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

"One study from October 2020 calculated that the virus had stolen 2.5 million years of potential life in the US. Just under half of these years were taken from people younger than 65 years. As the paper’s author, Dr. Stephen J. Elledge said, “COVID-19 has wiped out millions of years of productive, active, and happy existence.”

 

Another study from May 2022 calculated the virus had stolen 3.9 million years of life away from Americans and the average COVID victim lost over 9 years of life. Not all COVID victims were 90-year-olds with advanced cancer, only days away from dying, when they happened to test positive for SARS-CoV-2 as some doctors implied. In the words of Dr. Utibe Essien:

These are everyday people who are dying. They’re losing time with their kids, their grandkids, their opportunities to build their futures."

 

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/this-thing-has-killed-less-than-or-about-as-many-as-flu-would-kill-in-a-normal-year-in-kids-i-say-hardly-any-80-year-olds-their-time-to-death-in-general-is-not-that-long/

 

 

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

For my UK friends here, not to be entirely U.S.-centric:

 

One year on: Three myths about COVID-19 that the data proved wrong

23 March 2021

...

Myth 1: ‘Those who die from COVID-19 would have died soon anyway’

• In the first year of COVID-19 (5 March 2020 to 5 March 2021), 1.5 million potential years of life were lost in the UK as a result of people dying with the virus. In England and Wales alone this figure is 1.4 million.
• On average, each of the 146,000 people who died with COVID-19 lost 10.2 years of life. [emphasis added]

https://www.health.org.uk/reports-and-analysis/analysis/one-year-on-three-myths-about-covid-19-that-the-data-proved-wrong

 

 

Come on, surely you can do better than citing studies published in 2020/2021/2022 - effectively from the 'Dark Ages' of scientific understanding about the disease, risk factors, treatments etc. Or have things moved on such that it's harder nowadays to find such alarmist material, hence the need to resort to ancient history?

 

I really don't understand your apparent obsession with all this stuff - do you feel you're on a one-man mission to 'educate' the unbelievers or something like that?

 

 

[impulse]

7 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You're trolling out the well-worn anti-vaxer arguments about prospective long term side effects, whereas in fact, a long history of vaccines show that any side effects that do surface typically happen in the very short term post-vaccination.

 

And you keep acting as if mRNAs are traditional vaccines.  They're not.