3 hours ago, bubblegum said:

B(l)ondi on TV: This is what American justice looks like.

 

Right send him to an Salvadoran prison, start an investigation 1 month later and then bring charges. Fine example of justice!

 

What a joke of a country !

So the investigation resulted in fresh charges....  ooh, what a bummer, perhaps the Dems shouldnt have put him on a such a pedestal should they .... sum num nah...

Another non american supporting illegals in The US... what a joke of a person

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

He does not have to be convicted to be deported. 

 

As long as he's in the country, which he is, and has no legitimate asylum claim, which he does not, he can be deported. 

 

Not disputing that. He does need due process, which he was denied.

11 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

So the investigation resulted in fresh charges....  ooh, what a bummer, perhaps the Dems shouldnt have put him on a such a pedestal should they .... sum num nah...

Another non american supporting illegals in The US... 

....said the non-American.

The Trump boys really don't do hypocrisy, do they.😄

46 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

 

Why would "common decency" allow for an illegal alien gang-banger to stay in the country? 

 

Incidentally, has there been any discussion of where Kilmar Abrego Garcia was working? 

 

Has his employer been in the news talking about what a great employee he was? 

People with common decency will understand.

Early days only, but I find this forum fascinating... Is there some MAGA AI drivel generator at work here? Just asking.

 

Maybe we could call it AMD.

53 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

just ask and you get it  555  but I posted a couple more links on other answers, that's called Trump got screwed or royally screwed by his own supporters

 

Trump Pardoned Proud Boy Leaders. Now They’re Suing the Government.

 

https://newrepublic.com/post/196259/donald-trump-pardon-proud-boys-january-6-lawsuit

 

The conviction still stands. But as usual trump blathered too much, his own words ' a grave injustice has been done ' used against the US.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

People with common decency will understand.

Of course, the common decency argument. If only i were not so morally inferior to you, I would understand. 

 

The guy is in the country illegally, is apparently not employed, is involved in gang activity, and beats on women. 

 

Why is it decent to let him stay in the country? Do you not care about the people that suffered and will suffer because he is here? 

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The conviction still stands. But as usual trump blathered too much, his own words ' a grave injustice has been done ' used against the US.

People with common decency would understand, that if they can show that they were politically persecuted, they should be compensated. 

 

Do you not agree? 

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

So, if he's not convicted, he can just be deported again. 

 

He's an illegal alien. 

Exactly AFTER he has his day in court the rest of the noise your side makes is gaslighting this whole brouhaha is about the Trump administration breaking the law.its not about someone’s hero or any such nonsense.Its purely about forcing trump to obey the law no more no less.

 

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Of course, the common decency argument. If only i were not so morally inferior to you, I would understand. 

 

The guy is in the country illegally, is apparently not employed, is involved in gang activity, and beats on women. 

 

Why is it decent to let him stay in the country? Do you not care about the people that suffered and will suffer because he is here? 

He was employed! His night job,
Grok:

A grand jury alleges he played a significant role in a smuggling ring operating for nearly a decade, making over 100 trips transporting migrants, including women and children, across the U.S. He faces two counts: conspiracy to transport aliens and unlawful transportation of undocumented aliens.

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

He does not have to be convicted to be deported. 

 

As long as he's in the country illegally, which he is, and has no legitimate asylum claim, which he does not, he can be deported. 

 

Glad you're deciding all those things, because the courts thus far certainly have not.

 

Somehow, you're missing the part where the U.S. Supreme Court very recently ruled that his earlier deportation by the Trump Admin was illegal/unlawful.

 

 

The Dems will probably start to burn down police stations again to get him released.

Garcia is not the Democrats' "hero." He's just one of the many examples of the Trump Administration's disregard for the rule of law.

Now that he's back in the USA, hopefully, he will be given due process. If he is found guilty, he could indeed be deported. That's okay with me as long as the process is done according to the rule of law. 

On 6/7/2025 at 7:37 AM, Yagoda said:

I bet you the Maryland Dad is sorry that he attracted all the attention. Should have just stayed where he was. Now he can look forward to a stint in Supermax.

 

Be careful of what you wish for. Expect to see his smiling face all over election ads.

 

https://nypost.com/2025/06/06/us-news/kilmar-abrego-garcia-returning-to-us-to-face-charges-of-transporting-illegal-migrants/

 

Thats your hero, Dems.

 

Watch for the silence from the usual suspects, thumbs down emojis, and my fav, claims that this is all a Trumped up fraud.

I'm guessing you haven't read the constitution or if so maybe it's too complicated for you to understand. Not trying to insult your intelligence but I think you missed the reason. But that's ok. 

17 hours ago, Yagoda said:

That makes no sense at all.

sure that's expected from you, when it doesn't fit your narrative it doesn't make sense and that's the best you can do,  well done

58 minutes ago, jerrytr said:

I'm guessing you haven't read the constitution or if so maybe it's too complicated for you to understand. Not trying to insult your intelligence but I think you missed the reason. But that's ok. 

Missed the reason for what?

43 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

sure that's expected from you, when it doesn't fit your narrative it doesn't make sense and that's the best you can do,  well done

Whats the narrative?

 

1. This guy is a criminal and always has been, plus a wife beater

2. This guy is a hero to the Dems, having drinks with Democratic congressmen

3. This guy was indicted and is being locked up

 

He was the wrong hill to die on.

18 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Why would "common decency" allow for an illegal alien gang-banger to stay in the country? 

Hes a wife beater and a possible paedo. Of course he is in the right crowd. Hes a class ally in Socialist terms, a victim of the jackbooted slavering racist dogs of American imperialism

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Whats the narrative?

 

1. This guy is a criminal and always has been, plus a wife beater

2. This guy is a hero to the Dems, having drinks with Democratic congressmen

3. This guy was indicted and is being locked up

 

He was the wrong hill to die on.

nothing has been proved yet, wait and see.... if he's found guilty then lock him up, until than he's innocent and deserves his day in court, that's what the constitution says, hope you don't mind me asking, are you american, if so did you ever read the constitution

12 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Glad you're deciding all those things, because the courts thus far certainly have not.

 

Somehow, you're missing the part where the U.S. Supreme Court very recently ruled that his earlier deportation by the Trump Admin was illegal/unlawful.

 

 

I did not decide that,  two separate immigrations judges decided that. They ordered him to be deported, just not to El Salvador. 

 

You get a little chubby when you see him? Do you wish it was you he was slapping around? 

3 hours ago, WDSmart said:

Garcia is not the Democrats' "hero." He's just one of the many examples of the Trump Administration's disregard for the rule of law.

Now that he's back in the USA, hopefully, he will be given due process. If he is found guilty, he could indeed be deported. That's okay with me as long as the process is done according to the rule of law. 

If he's found guilty, he'll go to jail. If he is found not guilty, he'll be deported. 

 

He does not have to be convicted of anything to be deported. That he is in the country illegally is not being contested. 

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

nothing has been proved yet, wait and see.... if he's found guilty then lock him up, until than he's innocent and deserves his day in court, that's what the constitution says, hope you don't mind me asking, are you american, if so did you ever read the constitution

Because he is in the country illegally, he has no right to say. 

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

nothing has been proved yet, wait and see.... if he's found guilty then lock him up, until than he's innocent and deserves his day in court, that's what the constitution says, hope you don't mind me asking, are you american, if so did you ever read the constitution

Are you on this planet? He was already deportable. What do you think would happen if he came back? He would be deported again.  Do you understand what the initial proceeding was and the procedural history? His criminal case is just icing on the cake.

 

You really dont understand our system do you?

23 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I did not decide that,  two separate immigrations judges decided that. They ordered him to be deported, just not to El Salvador. 

 

You get a little chubby when you see him? Do you wish it was you he was slapping around? 

 

I know you're not big on the rule of law. But just in case you haven't heard, U.S. Supreme Court rulings OVERRULE lower  court rulings, including those of immigration  court judges.

 

And, it wasn't just the Supreme Court that called his deportation illegal, but the lower federal courts had also issued orders against his deportation and keeping his presence in the U.S.

 

Bottom line - his deportation was illegal from the start, and every court that's heard the case since he was deported has found exactly that.

 

Timeline: Wrongful deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia to El Salvador

 

"Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran native living Maryland, was mistakenly deported in March to a mega-prison in his home country of El Salvador -- despite a 2019 court order barring his deportation to that country due to fear of persecution -- after the Trump administration claimed he was a member of the criminal gang MS-13, which his family denies."

 

...

April 4, 2025

U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis, at a hearing in Maryland, grants a preliminary injunction and orders the government to "facilitate and effectuate" the return of Abrego Garcia to the United States by midnight on April 7.

...

April 10, 2025

The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously rules that Judge Xinis "properly requires the Government to 'facilitate' Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/timeline-wrongful-deportation-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador/story?id=120803843

 

 

June 7, 2025 -- Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran native who had been living with his wife and children in Maryland, was deported in March to El Salvador's CECOT mega-prison -- despite a 2019 court order barring his deportation to that country due to fear of persecution -- after the Trump administration claimed he was a member of the criminal gang MS-13. His wife and attorneys deny that he is an MS-13 member.

The Trump administration has acknowledged in court filings that Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador in March was in error, because it violated a U.S. immigration court order in 2019 that shielded Abrego Garcia from deportation to his native country, according to immigration court records. An immigration judge had determined that Abrego Garcia would likely face persecution there by local gangs that had allegedly terrorized him and his family.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mistakenly-deported-kilmar-abrego-garcia-back-us-face/story?id=121333122

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I know you're not big on the rule of law. But just in case you haven't heard, U.S. Supreme Court rulings OVERRULE lower  court rulings, including those of immigration  court judges.

 

And, it wasn't just the Supreme Court that called his deportation illegal, but the lower federal courts had also issued orders against his deportation and keeping his presence in the U.S.

 

 

 

I have never said the deportation was illegal, it was. 

 

The Supreme Court did not overrule the rulings of the immigration courts, they upheld them. 

 

He was wrongly deported to El Salvador, and he's been brought back and will be deported correctly.

 

 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.tnmd.104621/gov.uscourts.tnmd.104621.8.0.pdf

GOVERNMENT'S MOTION FOR DETENTION AND
MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF PRETRIAL DETENTION UNDER 18 U.S.C. § 3142

Pg. 8 One of the most troubling facts the Government learned in its investigation was how the
defendant got into MS-13. According to a co-conspirator, the defendant stated that he
participated in the murder of a rival gang member’s mother in El Salvador—specifically the mother of an 18th Street gang member.

Later, as part of his immigration proceedings in the United States, the defendant claimed he could not return to El Salvador because he was in fear of retribution from the 18th Street gang. While partially true – the defendant, according to the information received by the Government, was in fear of retaliation by the 18th Street gang – the underlying reason for the retaliation was the defendant’s own actions in participating in the murder of a rival 18th Street gang member’s mother.
___________________________
Gemini AI quickie:

Yes, in a federal criminal trial, the defense team has the right to cross-examine cooperating co-conspirators who testify against the defendant. This is a crucial part of ensuring a fair trial and allowing the defense to challenge the credibility of the prosecution's witnesses.

19 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.tnmd.104621/gov.uscourts.tnmd.104621.8.0.pdf

GOVERNMENT'S MOTION FOR DETENTION AND
MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF PRETRIAL DETENTION UNDER 18 U.S.C. § 3142

Pg. 8 One of the most troubling facts the Government learned in its investigation was how the
defendant got into MS-13. According to a co-conspirator, the defendant stated that he
participated in the murder of a rival gang member’s mother in El Salvador—specifically the mother of an 18th Street gang member.

Later, as part of his immigration proceedings in the United States, the defendant claimed he could not return to El Salvador because he was in fear of retribution from the 18th Street gang. While partially true – the defendant, according to the information received by the Government, was in fear of retaliation by the 18th Street gang – the underlying reason for the retaliation was the defendant’s own actions in participating in the murder of a rival 18th Street gang member’s mother.

I cant help it. Im sorry I dont like memeing but

 

Trump said he thought it would be "a very easy case" against Abrego Garcia, who he accused of having a "horrible record of abuse" of women.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-department-justice-made-decision-bring-back-abrego-garcia-2025-06-07/

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

If he's found guilty, he'll go to jail. If he is found not guilty, he'll be deported. 

 

He does not have to be convicted of anything to be deported. That he is in the country illegally is not being contested. 

I agree that if he's found guilty of the crimes he's been charged with, he'll go to jail, but when he gets out, or if he's found not guilty of these crimes, his claim of being a refugee should have to be denied before he can be deported.

That's the way I think due process works in his case, anyway...