2 minutes ago, phetphet said:

If I were to buy a new car today, I would buy a plug in hybrid.

 

The only advice I might suggest before buying a BYD, is to see if they are releasing any new or updated models in the near future, as this could cause a price drop for an existing model.

I really do think the price war is just about over.   Anything new, will be bigger battery and or faster charging.  Or more silly bells & whistles people just don't need.

 

BEV are already cheaper and perform better than entry level, 'made in TH' ICEV, and hybrids come in at the same price as import ICEV.  

 

Any more of a price war is simply cutting each other's throat.  Less than 600k THB for good transport is a silly low price.   There's even a nice BEV truck for <900k THB.

31 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Elexa with partner with condos, and install charging cables for free.  I've used Elexa at coffe shops & restaurants while O&A.

 

People are running out of real reasons not to go BEV, though provide plenty of excuses.  Performance & savings is too much of a reason for us, not to go BEV.  The convenience of never going to the local petrol station every week, to pay extra, to degrade the engine parts pretty much tops everything.

 

You waiting in line, to pay, to use a fuel that degrades your engine.  Let that one sink in.   And for us, it's a special trip, (3 kms) as the petrol station isn't in our usual daily drive.

 

15-20 mins a week vs 1 min a week ... hmm, let me think about that 

 

You have me confused with someone that is arguing against EVs, that is not me.

 

I was only commenting on the issues associated with charging at a condo, not charging at coffee shops and whatnot. 

 

I doubt very much Elexa will come to a condo building and install charging cables free for anyone that wants one in their allocated parking spot for free. 

 

I do not think I have waited in line for fuel more than a few times since the '70s. I generally fuel every 700-800kms and do so at the same pump I drive by virtually every time I get in the car. 

 

I am considering an EV for my boy to go back and forth to school for the next five years, and I do not imagine he would ever have to charge it anywhere but at the house. 

 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You have me confused with someone that is arguing against EVs, that is not me.

 

I was only commenting on the issues associated with charging at a condo, not charging at coffee shops and whatnot. 

 

I doubt very much Elexa will come to a condo building and install charging cables free for anyone that wants one in their allocated parking spot for free. 

 

I do not think I have waited in line for fuel more than a few times since the '70s. I generally fuel every 700-800kms and do so at the same pump I drive by virtually every time I get in the car. 

 

I am considering an EV for my boy to go back and forth to school for the next five years, and I do not imagine he would ever have to charge it anywhere but at the house. 

Nah, not confused at all.  But condos have options, you might not know about.  It wouldn't cost condos anything to provide charging cables.  No, not for individual owners, but maybe one DC w/2 cables, since only taking <1 hr to charge, most 30 minutes to top up weekly for local driving.  

 

Management could set up owners schedule slots.  After that, 1st come 1st served.  Although the way insurance companies at treating EV, price gouging of 'false' danger of, condos might not want to deal with increased insurance for public areas.  Can't blame them.

 

And really unnecessary, though would be convenient for EV owners.  Now the minority, which will change, as will many condo policies, when EV start getting near the majority of vehicles.  EV chargers available would be a good selling point for condos in the very near future.  It would certainly sway my decision if looking to buy or rent a condo.

 

One poster stating his condo doesn't even allow EV ... I smell BS 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

I would guess that he bigger concern at condos would be EVs stealing electricity, and or overloading the system. 

 

there are ways to prevent electricity from being stolen by ev owners ... 

 

the risk of overloading the building’s electrical system when charging ev's can also be managed, for example, by using a building load management system ... 

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Nah, not confused at all.  But condos have options, you might not know about.  It wouldn't cost condos anything to provide charging cables.  No, not for individual owners, but maybe one DC w/2 cables, since only taking <1 hr to charge, most 30 minutes to top up weekly for local driving.  

Real estate is free? 

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Management could set up owners schedule slots.  After that, 1st come 1st served.  Although the way insurance companies at treating EV, price gouging of 'false' danger of, condos might not want to deal with increased insurance for public areas.  Can't blame them.

Management and additional insurance is free? 

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

And really unnecessary, though would be convenient for EV owners.  Now the minority, which will change, as will many condo policies, when EV start getting near the majority of vehicles.  EV chargers available would be a good selling point for condos in the very near future.  It would certainly sway my decision if looking to buy or rent a condo.

I assume inside of ten years every new condo construction will have charging in every allocated spot. 

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

One poster stating his condo doesn't even allow EV ... I smell BS 

I often smell BS 

4 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

there are ways to prevent electricity from being stolen by ev owners ... 

Sure there are, but there are none that are free and easy.

4 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

the risk of overloading the building’s electrical system when charging ev's can also be managed, for example, by using a building load management system ... 

Which is not free nor without its downsides. 

 

Again, I am not stating the issues are insurmountable, only that they exist. 

Condos are missing out on a money making opportunity.

 

They can profit on residents using their chargers.

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Condos are missing out on a money making opportunity.

 

They can profit on residents using their chargers.

Explain how that would work, and who would benefit. 

 

Like the laundromats? 

On 7/3/2025 at 5:58 PM, save the frogs said:

get one of these, man

 

Vanderhall 3 wheel roadster

 

do NOT buy a boring car! 

 

certainly not boring during rainy season

14 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Condos are missing out on a money making opportunity.

 

They can profit on residents using their chargers.

Along with allowing the public to use, as most owners may be a work, so not charging.  Really is loss opportunities.

 

Especially in the metros, where condos and the need for more chargers is greater.   When we go to BKK to visit daughter, we stop outside of, on hwy 35, and top up, if not and usually earlier

 

Don't want to 'need' to top up in the city, and we usually need to stop anyway.   Although we don't need to top up before we get to her condo or hotel.  Just easier to plug in when we do stop, as that's inevitable before we get there, just for a P and a munch, since 285 kms & 4 ish hrs away.

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Along with allowing the public to use, as most owners may be a work, so not charging.  Really is loss opportunities.

And the cars will be towed if left after charging is complete? 

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

Especially in the metros, where condos and the need for more chargers is greater.   When we go to BKK to visit daughter, we stop outside of, on hwy 35, and top up, if not and usually earlier

Wait, what? More chargers are needed? 

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Don't want to 'need' to top up in the city, and we usually need to stop anyway.   Although we don't need to top up before we get to her condo or hotel.  Just easier to plug in when we do stop, as that's inevitable before we get there, just for a P and a munch, since 285 kms & 4 ish hrs away.

 

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Wait, what? More chargers are needed? 

One has always been available when we've wanted, and I've never Q'd up to use, even when O&A during the weekends.   Never an issue with us .... yet.   

 

Have wanted to stop to P, and or eat, and next one was full, so just went down to the next available.  Yes, there are that many now, or one might be on the other side of the highway.   The inconvenience a making a U-turn ... hell no 

11 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said:

certainly not boring during rainy season

that must be the reason there are so few convertibles in thailand? 

 

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

One has always been available when we've wanted, and I've never Q'd up to use, even when O&A during the weekends.   Never an issue with us .... yet.   

 

Have wanted to stop to P, and or eat, and next one was full, so just went down to the next available.  Yes, there are that many now, or one might be on the other side of the highway.   The inconvenience a making a U-turn ... hell no 

14 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

that must be the reason there are so few convertibles in thailand? 

 

it's too hot for convertibles - I would only put the top down when it rains

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

You have me confused with someone that is arguing against EVs, that is not me.

 

I was only commenting on the issues associated with charging at a condo, not charging at coffee shops and whatnot. 

 

I doubt very much Elexa will come to a condo building and install charging cables free for anyone that wants one in their allocated parking spot for free. 

 

I do not think I have waited in line for fuel more than a few times since the '70s. I generally fuel every 700-800kms and do so at the same pump I drive by virtually every time I get in the car. 

 

I am considering an EV for my boy to go back and forth to school for the next five years, and I do not imagine he would ever have to charge it anywhere but at the house. 

Gotta say I'm a bit wary charging at the house, maybe in the road with a long extension lead, but I've seen those videos of cars burning a house down. And my Neta has a LifePo battery.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Explain how that would work, and who would benefit. 

 

Like the laundromats? 

Charge 10bht/unit, pay 4bht/unit.

That's a 150% profit, but it might put the condo fire insurance up if the car park is under the condo.

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Gotta say I'm a bit wary charging at the house, maybe in the road with a long extension lead, but I've seen those videos of cars burning a house down. And my Neta has a LifePo battery.

Don’t think so.

 

On 7/3/2025 at 5:54 PM, JBChiangRai said:

 

MG is consistently in the top few cars sold each month, especially with their EV's, I don't see them abandoning Thailand anytime soon.

and from a country where you can tell more truths than in Thailand witho0ut dumbass defamation laws.... some " perspective" https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/mg-named-the-most-unreliable-used-car-brand-as-top-10-worst-manufacturers-revealed/308143

 

Same cars as sold in the UK for anyone wanting the usual "this isnt Thailand" response

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Charge 10bht/unit, pay 4bht/unit.

That's a 150% profit, but it might put the condo fire insurance up if the car park is under the condo.

I understand how that part works. 

On 7/3/2025 at 8:10 PM, Nacho Libre said:

LOL, looks cool, but maybe not so convenient when doing the biweekly Macro run.

And no air conditioning.

MG is a former British automaker acquired by the state-owned SAIC Motor in 2005. Its EVs are not very popular in China, but they sell quite well overseas, such as in India, Thailand, and the EU.

MG4 doesn’t sell well in China. It started deliveries in mid-2022 and had short-term success, which faded away with the new year. So brutal is the Chinese EV war. And no wonder, as an entry-level hatchback, MG4 is standing against BYD Dolphin, Wuling Bingo, or Geely Geely Xingyuan. In February, MG4 sold only 13 units in China.

In February, MG brand sold 7,002 cars in China, up 17.6% year-over-year. The deliveries were powered by MG5, which was responsible for 75% of MG sales and MG7, which contributed 20%. Both are ICE vehicles.

https://carnewschina.com/2025/03/19/new-generation-mg4-hatchback-revealed-in-china/

36 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Don’t think so.

 

Manual says Lithium Ion Phosphate 3.16V

Lion cells be 3.65V

33 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

and from a country where you can tell more truths than in Thailand witho0ut dumbass defamation laws.... some " perspective" https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/mg-named-the-most-unreliable-used-car-brand-as-top-10-worst-manufacturers-revealed/308143

 

Same cars as sold in the UK for anyone wanting the usual "this isnt Thailand" response

Not sure if it's numbers of cars sold, or simply dependable, but the MG dealers we stop to charge at, the service bays are never full.   

 

With the one exception, Hua Hin, but the place is so small, I think only 2 lifts. 

 

Unlike when owning a Toyota or Mazda, and a Q to schedule a day in, this week or even next week.

20 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Toyota EV ??

” Google it and see “ how successful Toyota EV’s have been !

Did that and got this - take a read.

https://www.toyota.com/electrified-vehicles/

Toyota know what they are doing and have been at it for a long long time.

Best selling car of all time? Toyota Corolla. 

Looked at the top 20 of all time - no Chinese car there - not one.

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Manual says Lithium Ion Phosphate.

Really ... interesting, as never could get a straight answer, as some websites really suck.  Even MG doesn't specify sometimes the chemistry, and some are still listed as lithium ion and not LFP, when I know they are LFP.

 

I'm so bored at times, was thinking about getting a used Neta, and a kit, to make a dune buggy or something (mini pick up) for local knocking around   

 

Might be a bit more technical than I'm up for, depending how the electronics are wired through out.  Yea, I think about that kind of sh!t.  The old days, when you could take a torch to a car and cut off most things without worrying 

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Manual says Lithium Ion Phosphate 3.16V

If it is a Lithium Iron ( not ion ) Phosphate  then fair enough but the Neta website says Lithium Ion .

 

14 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

If it is a Lithium Iron ( not ion ) Phosphate  then fair enough but the Neta website says Lithium Ion .

I think you're a bit confused, 

https://www.aichelin.at/en/products/topics/lfp-vs-nmc-battery

 

LifePo4 3.15V cells relatively safe.

"Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries, often referred to as LiFePO4 batteries, are a type of lithium-ion battery that utilizes lithium iron phosphate as the cathode material. LFP batteries are known for their stability and safety due to their robust chemical structure."

 

NMC 3.65V cells are the 'burny' ones.

"Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC) batteries belong to the family of lithium-ion batteries and are widely used in various portable electronics and electric vehicles. They are known for their high energy density, which allows for a compact and efficient energy storage solution."

22 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Did that and got this - take a read.

https://www.toyota.com/electrified-vehicles/

Toyota know what they are doing and have been at it for a long long time.

Best selling car of all time? Toyota Corolla. 

Looked at the top 20 of all time - no Chinese car there - not one.

Someone posted elsewhere, they don't trust Toyota, and have to agree.  They got caught submitting cars for safety ratings that don't come off the production lines.   That's F'd up.  Puts them in the very untrustworthy class as VW.   Sadly, seems to be an industry wide thing for JP.

 

Someone please tell us all again ... "I would never buy a car from CN, can't trust them" 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Looked at the top 20 of all time - no Chinese car there - not one.

To be fair, China haven't been producing hi tech for that long (15ish years).

Japan have been at it from the 1970s.

 

TCL TVs kick the poop out of all the Japanese TVs.