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BKK train fares capped to B20 ... for Thai

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4 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

(in one paid ticketing area)

Whatever that may mean... here you come again,  we had this discussion in another thread: the longest single journey with one ticket, that any AN member posted, is 107 B

 

4 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

In the UK, if you are over 67 you get free bus travel nationally. Not available for tourists or non UK citizens

Not available for resident foreigners,  e.g. Irish working,  living,  paying tax and married in the UK?

Then it's really just based on nationality,  interesting find. 

 

PS just read up on this stuff. At least in Northern Ireland, it's residency based,  not nationality based. Makes me suspect Scotland and England may be the same. 

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  • ThreeCardMonte
    ThreeCardMonte

    Fair indeed.     You’ve had a lifetime of earning 20x (at least) than the average Thai.   Pay up or go back home.

  • Mr Meeseeks
    Mr Meeseeks

    Thailand, the only country in the world that has dual pricing for public transport. 

  • ThreeCardMonte
    ThreeCardMonte

    Kleenex available.   How many tissues do you need?

2 hours ago, Lorry said:

Whatever that may mean... here you come again,  we had this discussion in another thread: the longest single journey with one ticket, that any AN member posted, is 107 B


Sign, not this again. I am just trying to give information and not looking for an argument, but you pop up to start one. I'll try again. The longest single journey fare is 62 baht. You spent 107 baht by making two journeys. You spent 62 baht on the green line, then 45 baht on the pink line. You exited the green line through the exit gate, journey complete, 62 baht, thank you. You then entered the pink line through the ticket barrier then exited at the other end, journey complete, 45 baht, thank you.

If the flat 20 baht fare was in place that would be two journeys @ 20 baht = 40 baht. The longest single journey with a flat fare would be 20 baht. But if you string a few together it can be 40 baht, 60 baht, 80 baht.  As I said on the other thread if you exit one paid area that's the end of a journey.

If you really want to make up the longest single journey fare it is technically possible to use connections to ride on all line lines: start on green, exit, go to yellow and do the whole length, exit, go on blue, exit, go on red, exit, go on purple, exit, go on pink, and then complain a single journey cost 400 baht (or whatever it would be).

Just let it go, please.

 

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Not available for resident foreigners,  e.g. Irish working,  living,  paying tax and married in the UK?

Then it's really just based on nationality,  interesting find. 

 

PS just read up on this stuff. At least in Northern Ireland, it's residency based,  not nationality based. Makes me suspect Scotland and England may be the same. 


Legal permanent residents are eligible. Tourists are not.
 

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Legal permanent residents are eligible. Tourists are not.

So its not based on nationality.

That's the difference to Bangkok. 

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

As I said on the other thread if you exit one paid area that's the end of a journey.

For those 107 B, you never leave a paid area.

You leave a train,  and  enter another train. But you don't leave a fare area. It's not 2 journeys.

Travelling from Chitlom to Sala Daeng (changing trains at Siam) - that's not 2 fare areas,  and only 1 journey.  Same if traveling from Nonthaburi to Siam (changing trains at Wat Phra Si Mahathat).

It's 1 paid area,  you enter the turnstile once at the beginning of your trip, change trains in the middle of your trip, and exit the turnstile at the end of your trip. When exiting the turnstile, 107 B of fare are deducted. 

 

It would be helpful if you actually did these trips, not just theorize sitting in front of transit maps. Then I wouldn't have to explain the real world. 

 

3 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

If the flat 20 baht fare was in place that would be two journeys @ 20 baht = 40 baht

 

Maybe, maybe not. I don't dare to foresee the details of the flat fare.

13 hours ago, Lorry said:

So its not based on nationality.

That's the difference to Bangkok. 

Oh dear more nonsense. You have to be Thai with a Thai ID card. Don't spout such nonsense 

No

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Who cares, still good value

This is the guy who trolls the board, against anyone who posts any comments that maybe be negative or critical of some policies in Thailand. Be that about buses or Train travel in Bangkok .Get a life!

10 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Who cares, still good value

It seems you are not familiar with prices for public mass transport in other countries. 

As in many other things  in Thailand,  it's good value if you are a tourist and stay in Bangkok a couple of days, traveling only in the inner city. 

If you live here and use the system regularly,  it's very expensive.

6 hours ago, Lorry said:

It seems you are not familiar with prices for public mass transport in other countries. 

As in many other things  in Thailand,  it's good value if you are a tourist and stay in Bangkok a couple of days, traveling only in the inner city. 

If you live here and use the system regularly,  it's very expensive.

I live and work in Bangkok and am familiar with prices in other countries which are much higher.

Farangs whining and mooing again..

My experience of living in BKK and now visiting 2 or 3 times a year is that, as far as I'm aware, there's never been the slightest discrimination between me and my Thai Khmer b/f. He buys the ticket or books of tickets at the entry and we go thru the turnstile no sweat. There's never been an issue about who's up who & who hasn't paid ...

On 7/21/2025 at 1:40 PM, thailandsgreat said:

Fair?

Discrimination?

Fair...:thumbsup:
Other countries do the same with foreigners, for example USA:
Presidental action July 3rd 2025: "It is the policy of my Administration to preserve these opportunities for American families in future generations by increasing entry fees for foreign tourists, improving affordability for United States residents, and expanding opportunities to enjoy America’s splendid national treasures."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/making-america-beautiful-again-by-improving-our-national-parks/

On 7/28/2025 at 8:03 AM, ricklev said:

There is just no way they can make the 20 baht fare on the BTS work. 

It works with the Dark Red Line train, all stations 20 baht from Bang Sue to Rangsit. 

2 hours ago, khunPer said:

affordability for United States residents

Why is it that so many posters cannot figure out the difference between discriminatory pricing based on residency (very common in many countries for many things) and prices based on nationality (unheard of for urban mass transit - Bangkok will be a first)?

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

It works with the Dark Red Line train, all stations 20 baht from Bang Sue to Rangsit. 

Reason it works is because everyone pays the same price fare of 20฿.

The new BTS 20฿ fare system is only for Thai.

I got my wife to register her rabbit card onto the system, when I head into town I will just take her rabbit card 

On 7/22/2025 at 8:38 PM, Mr Meeseeks said:

Thailand, the only country in the world that has dual pricing for public transport. 

Is that really true? Shocking

3 minutes ago, dayo202 said:

Reason it works is because everyone pays the same price fare of 20฿.

The new BTS 20฿ fare system is only for Thai.

I got my wife to register her rabbit card onto the system, when I head into town I will just take her rabbit card 

And here in lies the problem. Policy application.  Why is one line allowed to implement a policy different from others? Why do we not have a common ticketing? BTS.

People will find their way around the discrimination though. People that realize they are scammed wont come back, and they will be left with the cheap charlies

We westerners are a very interesting species.

Why is there such an outrage about a possible double standard in Thai public transport resulting in a 60,- Thb (less than 2 €) higher price for us while at the same time we are not interested or agree or even applaud our leaders when they apply such an obvious double standard when they sanction one powerful country which is attacking a weaker one to prevent it from joining NATO while at the same time we support and supply (with weapons) another powerful country which is commiting mass murder, even going so far to intentionally target women and children, murder journalists and medics and shoot starving people who were hoping to get some food?

 

That might be one (of many) reasons why Thai authorities don't give a rats ass about some complaining foreigners.

12 hours ago, Somjot said:

We westerners are a very interesting species.

Why is there such an outrage about a possible double standard in Thai public transport resulting in a 60,- Thb (less than 2 €) higher price for us while at the same time we are not interested or agree or even applaud our leaders when they apply such an obvious double standard when they sanction one powerful country which is attacking a weaker one to prevent it from joining NATO while at the same time we support and supply (with weapons) another powerful country which is commiting mass murder, even going so far to intentionally target women and children, murder journalists and medics and shoot starving people who were hoping to get some food?

 

That might be one (of many) reasons why Thai authorities don't give a rats ass about some complaining foreigners.

Typical off topic rant. Decided to bring NATO into dual pricing ..comedian sad **** 

13 hours ago, Somjot said:

We westerners are a very interesting species.

Why is there such an outrage about a possible double standard in Thai public transport resulting in a 60,- Thb (less than 2 €) higher price for us while at the same time we are not interested or agree or even applaud our leaders when they apply such an obvious double standard when they sanction one powerful country which is attacking a weaker one to prevent it from joining NATO while at the same time we support and supply (with weapons) another powerful country which is commiting mass murder, even going so far to intentionally target women and children, murder journalists and medics and shoot starving people who were hoping to get some food?

 

That might be one (of many) reasons why Thai authorities don't give a rats ass about some complaining foreigners.

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And this dual pricing scheme continues. I hope this will be introduced for Thais in other countries as well: locals 20 baht/ Thais 100 baht!  Fair:thumbsup:

18 hours ago, damian said:

And here in lies the problem. Policy application.  Why is one line allowed to implement a policy different from others? Why do we not have a common ticketing? BTS.


Lack of foresight. The original Mass Transit Masterplan was drawn up in 1994 and already included several lines, starting with the original BTS. Updated again in 2005 I think with even more lines planned, then again in 2010 to be the huge plan that is still valid today and is very impressive. 

I understand the original BTS being run as a private concession that future ticketing might have been overlooked, but then the MRT opened in 2004 with a different ticketing system and things have only got more complex since. It should have been made a condition of future line bidding that the winner must be part of a universal ticketing system, no idea why that didn't happen, it should have been an easy condition to include.

Now you have all these different private entities with their own long term contracts that can't be changed easily as they are legally binding. And there are three different regulatory bodies: BTS is under the BMA, MRT under the MRTA, ARL and red lines under the SRT / Ministry of Transport. It is a mess.

London used to be a similar mess, so they brought every mode of transport under a new body, TfL. That then enabled the introduction of the common ticketing platform - the Oyster card. Personally I don't see it happening here until some of the concessions have expired and they come under government control. The original BTS expires in 2029 but that is only the original length (ie. Onnut to Mo Chit and Nat. Stadium to Saphan Taksin) so even that's going to be a mess.

I think what Bangkok has achieved in mass transit in the last 25 years has been phenomenal and is only to be applauded. But the lack of planning for single ticketing was an almost criminal oversight. Shame. Also criminal that the orange line has been structurally complete for over two years, but won't open until 2028.

By 2030 or so we'll already have a greater combined length of electric mass transit (around 460kms) then London (around 400kms) and New York (380kms or so). Impressive, and I have seen it all develop so quickly as there was literally nothing when I first moved here (1995).

Here's a cool video showing it all develop, but set it to play at 2x speed as it is a bit slow otherwise.
 

 

The number of passengers is expected to increase to 250,000 per day, from currently 150,000.

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https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/3081057/work-on-purple-line-river-tunnel-begins

 

 

11 minutes ago, Lorry said:

The number of passengers is expected to increase to 250,000 per day, from currently 150,000.

Please credit and share this article with others using this link: https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/3081057/work-on-purple-line-river-tunnel-begins. View our policies at http://goo.gl/9HgTd and http://goo.gl/ou6Ip. © Bangkok Post PCL. All rights reserved.

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/3081057/work-on-purple-line-river-tunnel-begins

 

 


That figure makes no sense, I wonder where they got it. The Purple line does about 75,000 passengers a day currently, not 150,000 and has had a flat 20 baht fare for well over a year (red lines too).

Blue is around 400,000 - 450,000 per day. Greens (combined) 750,000 or so. Monorails maybe 40-50,000 each.

  • 5 weeks later...

Should be no excuse now for Thais to take the BTS and stop the manic pollution and traffic on roads. Congestion charges need to start anywhere along the BTS line. 

 

This must come into force now. 

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