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Road Rage (Foreigner Style)

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Everyone can see that you tried to force your way through aggressively. He was already over the line before you approached, so there was not enough space for you to get through safely. You tried to overtake, when you should have let him pass. He was first, by a long chalk.

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  • To be honest @lordgrinz, I agree with @mancub and think that you precipretated the situation. I'll explain... In Thailand and in fact anywhere, driving is give and take. In other words you allow

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    Yeah, I agree. The man is an idiot and hopefully he'll get a slap one day, but it's hardly a matter for the police. Forget it, move on. And generally don't beep at people, it can be very dangerou

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    That's literally the worst advice you could ever give anyone here.

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1 minute ago, VocalNeal said:

 

As far as I could see, not hear, he turned into the left lane to let you pass. Sorry no sympathy from me. 

 

If you look he turns left into his lane, then turns right again into my bumper. That part made no sense to me.

Just another gaslighting troublemaker, looking for sympathy. If a woman, her name might be Karen.

It makes sense to everyone else. He took umbrage at your behaviour and decided to challenge you. If you didn't drive aggressively in the first place, nothing bad would have occurred.

1 hour ago, novacova said:

Ridiculous statement. So you just let them ram into you while they’re sloping over into your lane, right? 

He was a qualified driving instructor. What are your qualifications?

 

If you drive defensively, you don't let yourself get in the situation where they are going to ram you from the side.

 

My post is ridiculous? Yours is plain dumb, because you are thinking aggressively.

 

My record is no car accidents in Thailand in 15 years of driving. What's yours?

It seems the protagonist turned out to be the poster himself. Another one completely blind to their own behaviour.

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, I live in a civilized city, not in Phuketski. The only guns here are the water guns in the Central Festival mall toilets.

 

And if you want to survive on Thailand's roads you better learn how to beep.

Which civilized city do you live in? If you think the only guns are in Central Festival Mall then you are misinformed. There is an esitmated 11 million guns in Thailand, of which aproximatly 4 mllion guns the government has no idea who has them. Am sure the 11 million guns are not restricted to the countryside. 

 

If you want to keep beeping the car horn and p**s off someone with a short fuse, then good luck to you.

Hard to tell all with no sound, but the red car was supposed to wait for cars going straight. Especially after he stopped, letting the pedestrians pass.  Lordgrinz then had the right of way.  If Lordgrinz beeped a little as the red car was pulling into his lane, which seemed correct as the red car adjusted to go straight in his lane, beeping a short beep is to tell other drivers they are coming into your lane without possibly looking first, so they can stop to avoid an accident. Lordgrinz wasn't being aggressive using his horn, but the red car's driver was by his actions. 

 

Some people definitely overuse their horns, especially in the west, but that's what a horn is for. To warn other drivers they are either cutting you off, or are going into your lane when they're supposed to wait for a clear shot.

 

That the red car then cut into Lordgrinz's lane and stopped was wrong. He raised his arms, thinking his beeping wasn't called for (it seems), which could have been on him, as some think they own the roads.  That he sped up, stopped and got in front of his car was asking for trouble. He should have waited until Lordgrinz passed, then continued on his way. Most of this is on the red car's driver, seeing we can't hear any sound.

 

Courtesy on the roads is how accidents and road rage is avoided. Overuse of horns does piss people off, and exacerbates the situation. Again, a horn is there for a reason, and has saved countless lives using it, stopping people from cutting into speeding vehicles, especially motorbikes.

 

He and I come from a country where the drivers, on average, are much more skilled, and know and follow the rules better, and if not, are punished for infractions. Whether it's "normal" here to cut people off and we should adjust, doesn't stop the fact that it's still bad driving that causes most accidents, and Thailand's drivers, and enforcement, needs to be improved markedly, as the stats on daily road deaths and accidents has shown for decades.

 

The only valid thing that can be said, is be the best defensive driver you can be, as things like this happen every day, all year long, and adjusting to that fact can save your life. Knowing they'll be doing this, and just let them go on their way, as the majority of vehicles here have some weapon inside, and a loose cannon isn't worth losing your or other's lives for, is the best recourse.

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@fredwiggy Your post says a lot about you. Plus...you are wrong. The car on the left is already on the turn and simply waiting for the pedestrians to cross. @lordgrinz is on the other side of the intersection with a clear view of what is happening. 

There was not enough space for @lordgrinz to pass safely, regardless of whether he had right of way or not. The right thing to do was to allow the red car to complete the turn. Pushing through regardless was bad form. The fact that you cannot see that speaks volumes... in telling us why you are unhappy in Thailand

 

Then you ramble on about courtesy...

 

@lordgrinz should have showed that in the first place, rather than to bear down on the red car and to have used his horn. The red car was far ahead and first in line to make his move. The OP should have been courteous and given him space to pull away. Then there would likely have been a thank you hand wave. That's why someone of us thrive in Thailand, where some of you are full of complaints and grievances. 

 

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21 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Hard to tell all with no sound, but the red car was supposed to wait for cars going straight. Especially after he stopped, letting the pedestrians pass.  Lordgrinz then had the right of way.  If Lordgrinz beeped a little as the red car was pulling into his lane, which seemed correct as the red car adjusted to go straight in his lane, beeping a short beep is to tell other drivers they are coming into your lane without possibly looking first, so they can stop to avoid an accident. Lordgrinz wasn't being aggressive using his horn, but the red car's driver was by his actions. 

 

Some people definitely overuse their horns, especially in the west, but that's what a horn is for. To warn other drivers they are either cutting you off, or are going into your lane when they're supposed to wait for a clear shot.

 

That the red car then cut into Lordgrinz's lane and stopped was wrong. He raised his arms, thinking his beeping wasn't called for (it seems), which could have been on him, as some think they own the roads.  That he sped up, stopped and got in front of his car was asking for trouble. He should have waited until Lordgrinz passed, then continued on his way. Most of this is on the red car's driver, seeing we can't hear any sound.

 

Courtesy on the roads is how accidents and road rage is avoided. Overuse of horns does piss people off, and exacerbates the situation. Again, a horn is there for a reason, and has saved countless lives using it, stopping people from cutting into speeding vehicles, especially motorbikes.

 

He and I come from a country where the drivers, on average, are much more skilled, and know and follow the rules better, and if not, are punished for infractions. Whether it's "normal" here to cut people off and we should adjust, doesn't stop the fact that it's still bad driving that causes most accidents, and Thailand's drivers, and enforcement, needs to be improved markedly, as the stats on daily road deaths and accidents has shown for decades.

 

The only valid thing that can be said, is be the best defensive driver you can be, as things like this happen every day, all year long, and adjusting to that fact can save your life. Knowing they'll be doing this, and just let them go on their way, as the majority of vehicles here have some weapon inside, and a loose cannon isn't worth losing your or other's lives for, is the best recourse.

 

I am leaving a stop sign, one that not a single person other than myself stops for, which as you can see allowed a bundle of cars to turn right through the intersection in front of me. You will also notice the red car turns left while people are crossing in a Zebra crossing, why did he even attempt the left in this scenario? He is supposed to wait for them to cross, not turn into them. You'll also see him move back into his lane when I tooted the horn, no big deal, all seems ok, nope ....he then turns his wheel back to the right pushing his front fender into mine, I toot the horn again, then stop. He finally drives forward down his lane and moves over into mine, all's good, nope..... now he brake checks me and jumps out of the car and attempts to assault us. 

13 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Forget it, move on. And generally don't beep at people, it can be very dangerous.

You do know they put a horn in the cars for a reason, right?

13 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

 

My wife wants me to, so maybe I'll make a trip tomorrow.

You should definitely report this moron. Spread it out, that he have made your daughter scared, and so on..... Make the sick f-k pay.

17 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

You do know they put a horn in the cars for a reason, right?

Yes, and it is to be used very sparingly.

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How would the driver in the red car know that there are people crossing the road, until he starts to make the turn? 

But @lordgrinz has an overview of everything. He could simply allow the red car to complete the turn and that would be that. But he wanted to assert his 'rights' rather than to simply be courteous. It's a tight corner and therefore easy to slip out of lane in the process. A diligent driver would have made allowances and given the red car ahead space to complete. @lordgrinz couldn't wait and caused a dangerous situation.

The red car driver's behaviour afterwards was completely unacceptable. Two monkeys on the road.

18 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Yes, and it is to be used very sparingly.

Yeah, I guess that depends on if you put up with the <deleted> or not. But, sure go hide in mommy´s closet. I understand.

14 hours ago, mancub said:

It kinda looked like you were going to hit him though !😁

Personally I would not have driven so close to him,kept my distance behind and not honked on the horn....my guess he is a Yank.....going to the police will be pointless IMHO :wai:

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He did not cut you off. That beep was absolutely unnecessary. Which does not justify the guy’s behaviour after that, though. 

He would not even have gotten that close to my car if my daughter had been in the car with me. 

 

Make the report.

 

There are mice and cats in the world. Don't be a mouse. He must not get away with this.

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12 hours ago, JakeC said:

To be honest @lordgrinz, I agree with @mancub and think that you precipretated the situation.

I'll explain... In Thailand and in fact anywhere, driving is give and take. In other words you allow for the imperfections of others.

Better to make space to let them pass safely, rather than trying to punish them for not tightly keeping exactly in lane on that turn. That was your attitude there. He was in fact in front of you, but waiting for people to cross the road. Instead of being polite and giving the time for him to complete his maneuver, you tried to force your way through and hit your horn in the process. Rude and doubly enraging.

He was first, so let him go first.

 

I would say the situation is almost wholly your fault. You need to check your attitude when driving. Even your daughter could see your aggressive driving behaviour. 

Best to forget about it and learn to be more courteous on the roads.

Fully agree with your comment. The OP is definitely the one who created this road incident. And the other guy definitely overreacted. 

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In Thailand, I use the horn only to prevent danger — never to scold or challenge another driver. Everybody can make mistake, it is normal to make mistakes.

He looks like a "Thumbs Down" Asean poster.  No laughing at the back....

I could never figure out the way people drive there, thats why i dont live there. I have daughters as well who dont deserve to experience the wonders of bangkok as shown here

11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

He was a qualified driving instructor

 

Well he was a an idiot though. You can drive defensively all day long, it won't stop some bubblehead female coming out of a side lane onto a busy motorway with half her car stickiing out in Thailand. If you don't beep in Thailand you may die. These roads are the most dangerous in the world, more dangerous than most African countries, and more dangerous than Italy, Greece and Spain combined. You're beeping for your life here. And the odds of dying on the road are fantastically higher than being shot.

15 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

gets out and threatens us, and takes a few punches at my window

Ha ha ha, foreigners are the most dangerous people on Thai roads. 

 

So many unhinged 

 

26 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well he was a an idiot though. You can drive defensively all day long, it won't stop some bubblehead female coming out of a side lane onto a busy motorway with half her car stickiing out in Thailand. If you don't beep in Thailand you may die. These roads are the most dangerous in the world, more dangerous than most African countries, and more dangerous than Italy, Greece and Spain combined. You're beeping for your life here. And the odds of dying on the road are fantastically higher than being shot.

 A short beep to warn another driver and prevent an incident is perfectly fine. But using the horn after the fact - especially after a minor or ambiguous situation - is like saying something offensive to someone. What was an impersonal incident can suddenly become personal, and that kind of behavior can easily escalate into something much worse. The video above is a perfect example.

1 minute ago, Hellfire said:

 A short beep to warn another driver and prevent an incident is perfectly fine. But using the horn after the fact - especially after a minor or ambiguous situation - is like saying something offensive to someone. What was an impersonal incident can suddenly become personal, and that kind of behavior can easily escalate into something much worse. 

 

Exactly right. You only do that if they really did something outrageous and you are extremely angry. That's the exception. The beeping to warn a motorbike or other car that they may hit you is more common.

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, I guess that depends on if you put up with the <deleted> or not. But, sure go hide in mommy´s closet. I understand.


Woohoo, an internet tough guy!!!

Go ahead, beep away you big solid rock of a man!!

Just now, josephbloggs said:


Woohoo, an internet tough guy!!!

Go ahead, beep away you big solid rock of a man!!

Woohoo, a tough guy!!!

Just corrected you, as I walk as I talk.

After that, you don´t need to be so tough. Just have to be prepared.

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3 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Woohoo, a tough guy!!!

Just corrected you, as I walk as I talk.

After that, you don´t need to be so tough. Just have to be prepared.


I think we've unmasked Ronnie Pickering!

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:


I think we've unmasked Ronnie Pickering!

Who the heck is Ronnie Pickering?  Is it just another local Brit figure? You know, most people outside your closed society (thank God) don´t know about minor things like that.

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