https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/09/02/mike_benz_on_the_uk_this_is_a_tyrannical_hellhole_state_trying_to_export_their_censorship_here.html

 

Is this scenario true? Or is the dude mistaken? I havent been following it.

 

"And I think the entire US-UK special relationship has to be immediately renegotiated because this is a tyrannical hellhole state who is trying to export their censorship here..."

Entirely true, 5 fully armed starmer stormtroopers arrested him for 3 tweets he made in April of this year...have you seen the one about the 11 year old boy being cautioned for wearing a Union Jack...the place is worse than north Korea...what else would you expect from liebour...it's a nuthouse, starmer will be out before end of this year, and Farage as new PM

And the deputy Prime minister, Angela Rayner, has just been caught out dodging tax on a recent 'second home' purchase. £800,000 flat in Hove. Trying to plead that she was given incorrect legal advice.

 

Complete BS. She knew exactly what she was up to. Of course two tier Kier is standing by her. Complete hypocrites. 

 

I'm just hoping that Labour does not somehow manage to 'blag' a full term in power. UK will be beyond redemption by then if it's not already. 

Nigel Comes to Parliament ,I mean Congress , to talk about Freedom of Speech,

According to the RCP article,Benz  ,"tyrannical hellhole". Nigel ,"At what point did we become North Korea".

 

Lie. 

 

All Aviation police are armed in the UK. The fact is he was arrested stepping off a flight - unusually in the UK everyone arrested on the flight side of airports is arrested by armed officers. Full stop. 

 

He was then handed to civilian police. Unarmed. This "stormtroopers" comment is vile and absurd. 

 

Now let's go for the real absurdity. He did "call for violence." He says it was a joke. I say it was a bad joke, but still a joke. 

 

The 1st Amendment does not allow free speech to extend to shouting "fire" in a movie theatre or "I have a bomb" in an airport. There are limits. 

 

Kier Starmer - who I detest - has said we'll need to look at the law again as this was stupid - five policemen for a tweet. 

 

However the police have said - and I agree with them - you wrote the law. If we don't respond to threats of violence and they come to pass you will slaughter us at public inquiries. 

 

So basically- you either want us to police social media or you don't. 

 

Me? I say no. "Policing" social media should be a civilian job and in extremis they should call in the police. 

 

Asking the police to do it is just absurd. 

And before my American friends get all self-righteous - let me give you an example of the type of people who get arrested in the UK for social media posts. 

 

A pre-teen girl died. A Facebook memorial page was set up. A troll posted false child sex abuse messages about the father molesting the girl. 

 

The troll - who had a record of targeting memorial pages - was arrested and jailed. Me? I'd have posted his name and address on the Internet. 

 

When you read about people being arrested the vast majority are of this type. 

2 hours ago, riclag said:

Nigel Comes to Parliament ,I mean Congress , to talk about Freedom of Speech,

According to the RCP article,Benz  ,"tyrannical hellhole". Nigel ,"At what point did we become North Korea".

 

Raskin perfectly summed up Farage:

 

“A Putin loving, free speech imposter”

 

 

 

2 hours ago, riclag said:

Nigel Comes to Parliament ,I mean Congress , to talk about Freedom of Speech,

According to the RCP article,Benz  ,"tyrannical hellhole". Nigel ,"At what point did we become North Korea".

 

 

Farage is a polemicist. Good polemicists deal in half-truths. Others deal in lies. 

 

Farage is in the top 5 influential UK politicians of this century. But the bottom line is - he has failed. 

5 hours ago, baansgr said:

Entirely true, 5 fully armed starmer stormtroopers arrested him for 3 tweets he made in April of this year...have you seen the one about the 11 year old boy being cautioned for wearing a Union Jack...the place is worse than north Korea...what else would you expect from liebour...it's a nuthouse, starmer will be out before end of this year, and Farage as new PM

Returning from the U.S. and complaining about being arrested at Heathrow by ‘armed police’. 

‘Stormtroopers’ - Calm down, drink less coffee.

 

The OP’s question is predicated on a fantasy, the US/UK special relationship doesn’t exist.

5 hours ago, baansgr said:

the place is worse than north Korea

 

Talk about acting like a hysterical old woman.

 

No, if you visit the UK and nick a political placard, you are not going to be returned hime in a box or as a drooling vegetable.

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Raskin perfectly summed up Farage:

 

“A Putin loving, free speech imposter”

 

 

 

 

 

Who, let it be remembered, was elected  by the people of Clacton to be their MP, and first and foremost, represent their local interests.

 

A leader of Reform, Farage has spoke 45 times in Parliament. 26 for Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch, 97 for Liberal Democrat leader Ed Davey, and 152 and 86 respectively for Green Party co-leaders Carla Denyer and Adrian Ramsay. He's turned up to vote in parliament on 91 occasions. That’s fewer than Ed Davey (111), Carla Denyer (205), Adrian Ramsay (178).

 

When elected, he said he wasn't going to hold any in-person surgeries, because the Speakers Office told him there were security concerns. He soon backtracked on that when the Speakers Office stated they never said anything of the sort.

 

He's under investigation by the Parliamentary Standards Watchdog. He claims its nothing to do with his financial affairs, even thogh he has admitted to undeclared ownership of a trawler. His behaviour today is borderline treason. Whatever his views of the British Government, he is first and foremost an MP, and so he has taken the Oath of Allegiance. While the UK has a narrow definition of treason, he is exorting agents of a foreign government to carry out unfriendly acts against Britain. Friendly acts including minding your own business. He is free to critique the government, but he is asking a foreign government to impose draconian trading conditions of the UK, costing British working men and women their jobs. Its not the first time he has been called a traitor.

58 minutes ago, theblether said:

Lie. 

 

All Aviation police are armed in the UK. The fact is he was arrested stepping off a flight - unusually in the UK everyone arrested on the flight side of airports is arrested by armed officers. Full stop. 

 

He was then handed to civilian police. Unarmed. This "stormtroopers" comment is vile and absurd. 

 

Now let's go for the real absurdity. He did "call for violence." He says it was a joke. I say it was a bad joke, but still a joke. 

 

The 1st Amendment does not allow free speech to extend to shouting "fire" in a movie theatre or "I have a bomb" in an airport. There are limits. 

 

Kier Starmer - who I detest - has said we'll need to look at the law again as this was stupid - five policemen for a tweet. 

 

However the police have said - and I agree with them - you wrote the law. If we don't respond to threats of violence and they come to pass you will slaughter us at public inquiries. 

 

So basically- you either want us to police social media or you don't. 

 

Me? I say no. "Policing" social media should be a civilian job and in extremis they should call in the police. 

 

Asking the police to do it is just absurd. 

 

Just Met Police.

12 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

 

Who, let it be remembered, was elected  by the people of Clacton to be their MP, and first and foremost, represent their local interests.

 

A leader of Reform, Farage has spoke 45 times in Parliament. 26 for Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch, 97 for Liberal Democrat leader Ed Davey, and 152 and 86 respectively for Green Party co-leaders Carla Denyer and Adrian Ramsay. He's turned up to vote in parliament on 91 occasions. That’s fewer than Ed Davey (111), Carla Denyer (205), Adrian Ramsay (178).

 

When elected, he said he wasn't going to hold any in-person surgeries, because the Speakers Office told him there were security concerns. He soon backtracked on that when the Speakers Office stated they never said anything of the sort.

 

He's under investigation by the Parliamentary Standards Watchdog. He claims its nothing to do with his financial affairs, even thogh he has admitted to undeclared ownership of a trawler. His behaviour today is borderline treason. Whatever his views of the British Government, he is first and foremost an MP, and so he has taken the Oath of Allegiance. While the UK has a narrow definition of treason, he is exorting agents of a foreign government to carry out unfriendly acts against Britain. Friendly acts including minding your own business. He is free to critique the government, but he is asking a foreign government to impose draconian trading conditions of the UK, costing British working men and women their jobs. Its not the first time he has been called a traitor.

 

 

Treason? What are you on about?

53 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Raskin perfectly summed up Farage:

 

“A Putin loving, free speech imposter”

 

 

 

 

Ratskin is the antithesis of perfect.

50 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The OP’s question is predicated on a fantasy, the US/UK special relationship doesn’t exist.

I agree, the USA should not align itself with fascist governments. 

24 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

 

Who, let it be remembered, was elected  by the people of Clacton to be their MP, and first and foremost, represent their local interests.

 

A leader of Reform, Farage has spoke 45 times in Parliament. 26 for Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch, 97 for Liberal Democrat leader Ed Davey, and 152 and 86 respectively for Green Party co-leaders Carla Denyer and Adrian Ramsay. He's turned up to vote in parliament on 91 occasions. That’s fewer than Ed Davey (111), Carla Denyer (205), Adrian Ramsay (178).

 

When elected, he said he wasn't going to hold any in-person surgeries, because the Speakers Office told him there were security concerns. He soon backtracked on that when the Speakers Office stated they never said anything of the sort.

 

He's under investigation by the Parliamentary Standards Watchdog. He claims its nothing to do with his financial affairs, even thogh he has admitted to undeclared ownership of a trawler. His behaviour today is borderline treason. Whatever his views of the British Government, he is first and foremost an MP, and so he has taken the Oath of Allegiance. While the UK has a narrow definition of treason, he is exorting agents of a foreign government to carry out unfriendly acts against Britain. Friendly acts including minding your own business. He is free to critique the government, but he is asking a foreign government to impose draconian trading conditions of the UK, costing British working men and women their jobs. Its not the first time he has been called a traitor.

And off the self proclaimed patriot trots to Washington to trash the UK and lobby the Trump administration to enact sanctions against the UK, its economy and therefore against the jobs and livelihood of British workers.

 

A scoundrel seeking refuge in faux patriotism.

1 hour ago, theblether said:

The 1st Amendment does not allow free speech to extend to shouting "fire" in a movie theatre or "I have a bomb" in an airport. There are limits. 

 

Schenck v. United Statescase has been effectively overturned. The standard for restricting speech is no longer the vague "clear and present danger" test created by Justice Holmes. Instead, the Supreme Court uses a much more speech-protective standard

 

Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) is the landmark case that replaced the Schenck standard. In a unanimous decision, the court overturned the conviction of a Ku Klux Klan leader, establishing the "imminent lawless action" test. Under this new test, the government can only restrict speech that: 

is "directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action," and

is "likely to incite or produce such action." 

Why the "fire" analogy still persists

Despite the legal standard changing, the "falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater" example remains a powerful and widely known illustration of the limits of free speech. However, the modern legal interpretation would examine the situation with far more nuance: 

 

20 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Just Met Police.

 

They're not "just Met police." They are certificated firearms officers, and anti- terrorist police among other specialities. 

3 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Schenck v. United Statescase has been effectively overturned. The standard for restricting speech is no longer the vague "clear and present danger" test created by Justice Holmes. Instead, the Supreme Court uses a much more speech-protective standard

 

Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) is the landmark case that replaced the Schenck standard. In a unanimous decision, the court overturned the conviction of a Ku Klux Klan leader, establishing the "imminent lawless action" test. Under this new test, the government can only restrict speech that: 

is "directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action," and

is "likely to incite or produce such action." 

Why the "fire" analogy still persists

Despite the legal standard changing, the "falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater" example remains a powerful and widely known illustration of the limits of free speech. However, the modern legal interpretation would examine the situation with far more nuance: 

 

 

Fair enough. Now explain the "I have a bomb" at an airport example. 

 

Free speech? You can say that without consequence? 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The OP’s question is predicated on a fantasy, the US/UK special relationship doesn’t exist.

 

False. We have access to US infrastructure banned to every other country on the planet. 

 

The implications to US national security of a fracture with the UK are so dire it will never be allowed to happen. Ever. 

11 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

They're not "just Met police." They are certificated firearms officers, and anti- terrorist police among other specialities. 

 

Yes. Several specialties under the same "command". But he was met, by the Met.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The OP’s question is predicated on a fantasy, the US/UK special relationship doesn’t exist.

 

 

It does exist. It wobbles a bit from time to time, that's all.

8 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

False. We have access to US infrastructure banned to every other country on the planet. 

 

The implications to US national security of a fracture with the UK are so dire it will never be allowed to happen. Ever. 

know your place.

 

The U.S. is dictating UK tax policies and will let you know the next time they need British troops 

 

1 hour ago, theblether said:

The 1st Amendment does not allow free speech to extend to shouting "fire" in a movie theatre or "I have a bomb" in an airport. There are limits. 

There is no Supreme Court case that holds that.

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His 'call for violence' was to state that if a trans-weirdo was in a female only space and refusing to leave, then call the police, and if the police don't come to remove 'him', then kick the weirdo in the balls.....

 

Seems entirely reasonable comment to me

34 minutes ago, simon43 said:

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He did "call for violence." 

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His 'call for violence' was to state that if a trans-weirdo was in a female only space and refusing to leave, then call the police, and if the police don't come to remove 'him', then kick the weirdo in the balls.....

 

Seems entirely reasonable comment to me

 

Agreed.  A total overreaction. I'd say the chances of Linehan being charged are very low indeed!  

2 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

Talk about acting like a hysterical old woman.

 

No, if you visit the UK and nick a political placard, you are not going to be returned hime in a box or as a drooling vegetable.

Really, you have never heard of Peter Lynch. What world are you living in comrade..

Farage made one good point which may be the most pertinent. Graham Linehan is not a British citizen. He's actually Irish or a Republic of Ireland citizen.

 

For a non-British citizen to be arrested in the UK for something he wrote on Twitter / X while in another country will send shivers down the spines of freedom-loving Americans.

7 hours ago, baansgr said:

...it's a nuthouse, starmer will be out before end of this year, and Farage as new PM

 

ROFLMAO ...and how you gonna do that? Storm the Houses of Parliament like a proud boy?