On 10/10/2025 at 8:57 AM, webfact said:

Evidence was collected before the victim’s body was taken for an autopsy.

Can't wait for the autopsy report:  "Fell off motorcycle and run over by three cars causing life-ending trauma."

I wonder how much experience the deceased had on that motorcycle?  🤔

On 10/11/2025 at 7:03 AM, novacova said:

…and of course just speed itself which is a major killer on the road & riding a 1290KTM is a bit overkill in these here parts.

160 HP.  I'd say that's overkill.  

Perhaps more sympathy for the poor sods driving cars that were involved than for him ?

Unlikely they were able to avoid participation in a horrible death and have to live with the fact and even the visuals.

RIP regardless. 

32 minutes ago, roo860 said:

That's the bike, KTM Super Duke. The accident was on the Super Highway, well lit road.

The KTM1290, Super Duke, Very nice bike. 

 

KTM had a dealership on Pattaya Tai, a few years back, I was seriously considering buying one. 

 

27 minutes ago, connda said:

160 HP.  I'd say that's overkill.  

My bikes are around 200hp, with Termignoni's fitted. It's about managing the power, riding in regards to road conditions, weather etc. 

 

If you are out and about, riding at midnight, things are more likely to go pear shaped. 

 

Just now, SAFETY FIRST said:

The KTM1290, Super Duke, Very nice bike. 

 

KTM had a dealership on Pattaya Tai, a few years back, I was seriously considering buying one. 

 

I bought a KTM Duke 200 last year, just as a bit of a fun bike, we sometimes organise rides of around 150km for light bikes, it's an absolute pocket rocket, great for the twisties up here in Chiang Mai, have the Kawasaki Z650 for the longer touring rides. That 1290 is an absolute beast, one story I heard up here about the guy was the bike had previously been in an accident.

5 minutes ago, roo860 said:

I bought a KTM Duke 200 last year, just as a bit of a fun bike, we sometimes organise rides of around 150km for light bikes, it's an absolute pocket rocket, great for the twisties up here in Chiang Mai, have the Kawasaki Z650 for the longer touring rides. That 1290 is an absolute beast, one story I heard up here about the guy was the bike had previously been in an accident.

I love all KTM's, my mate had a 390, great bike, the 200 sounds like fun. 👍

 

Nothing better than riding a bike in Thailand.

Ride safe, enjoy mate. 

 

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

But you don't worry about the other motorcyclists, pedestrians and drivers when you drink and drive.

Quite the opposite.

When driving after having a couple always stay within the speed limit, observe lane markings, use indicators, don’t break suddenly, always use the mirrors and a quick head turn when changing lanes to double check.

 

And if you start having double vision always close one eye.

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

That was Mongy Malcs speculation - he always blames the foreigner.

Ok just once I am going to go along with you.

 

This one we will blame it on the Thai.

 

I hoped she is punished to the full extent of the law and doesn’t just get a slap on the wrist from the corrupt Thai police because the victim is only a farang. 
And we all know farangs are lower than Soi dogs in the eyes of a Thai.

Her family is probably all going through his house and belongings rushing to sell it.

 

 

1 hour ago, roo860 said:

I bought a KTM Duke 200 last year, just as a bit of a fun bike, we sometimes organise rides of around 150km for light bikes, it's an absolute pocket rocket, great for the twisties up here in Chiang Mai, have the Kawasaki Z650 for the longer touring rides. That 1290 is an absolute beast, one story I heard up here about the guy was the bike had previously been in an accident.

Have fun but be careful on those things.

 

Remember what happened to @Kawasaki 

 

RIP

6 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

a quick head turn when changing lanes to double check.

Hazardous habit and for that reason it looks silly. Eyes forward 100% of the time, speed according to traffic/road conditions and timing awareness. 

5 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Silly logic.

You wouldn't know logic if it came up and bit you on the ass 

7 hours ago, gargamon said:

You wouldn't know logic if it came up and bit you on the ass 

Riders are 29 times more likely to die in a crash. Clueless.

On 10/10/2025 at 8:03 PM, novacova said:

…and of course just speed itself which is a major killer on the road & riding a 1290KTM is a bit overkill in these here parts.
Certainly hope folks who read these tragic bike stories realize that that one miscalculation on the road on a bike at high speed could very well be the end, helmet or not.

Condolences to your family Craig.

How fast was the traveling?  No knows what happened at this point. 

22 hours ago, novacova said:

22 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

a quick head turn when changing lanes to double check.

Hazardous habit and for that reason it looks silly. Eyes forward 100% of the time, speed according to traffic/road conditions and timing awareness. 

No ‘always’ shoulder check - it’s called a ‘life saver’ for a reason….

 

It’s protected me numerous times…

& once when the vehicle in front had suddenly stopped in the center lane for no apparent reason I was quite caught out but couldn’t change lanes as a car was screaming up the outside…. 
Fortunately I was not too close & could stop in time….

 

Always shoulder check… 

On 10/15/2025 at 7:15 PM, novacova said:

Eyes forward 100% of the time,

You must be an Asian woman.

On 10/12/2025 at 7:19 AM, mordothailand said:

at the end i planned my trips for food to minimize risk, and only drove to get food & beverage.

 

Same hear. but  I use a car instead.

On 10/16/2025 at 4:17 PM, MalcolmB said:

You must be an Asian woman.

 

I don't think so. had she been an asian woman, her cocentration would be on the stupid phone.

On 10/16/2025 at 5:23 PM, richard_smith237 said:

No ‘always’ shoulder check - it’s called a ‘life saver’ for a reason….

No. Eyes forward and use the mirrors while maintaining awareness of the surroundings, the same as when you’re driving a car, or do you always “shoulder check” while driving a car? 

On 10/16/2025 at 5:23 PM, richard_smith237 said:

It’s protected me numerous times…

& once when the vehicle in front had suddenly stopped in the center lane for no apparent reason I was quite caught out but couldn’t change lanes as a car was screaming up the outside…. 

You were riding too fast and carelessly. Would advise that you ride a scoopy inside the fog line on the left side of the road at 20kph until you get yourself under control.

On 10/16/2025 at 5:23 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Fortunately I was not too close & could stop in time….

Next time you may not be so lucky, slow down.

On 10/16/2025 at 5:23 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Always shoulder check… 

…is a road hazard. A lot can happen in that fraction of a second especially during a turn or lane change. Most people rubber necking on the road are bobbing through traffic competing with other vehicles and not flowing with the traffic, quite the killer. 

14 minutes ago, novacova said:

No. Eyes forward and use the mirrors while maintaining awareness of the surroundings, the same as when you’re driving a car, or do you always “shoulder check” while driving a car? 

You were riding too fast and carelessly. Would advise that you ride a scoopy inside the fog line on the left side of the road at 20kph until you get yourself under control.

Next time you may not be so lucky, slow down.

…is a road hazard. A lot can happen in that fraction of a second especially during a turn or lane change. Most people rubber necking on the road are bobbing through traffic competing with other vehicles and not flowing with the traffic, quite the killer. 

Shoulder check in car or on bike is a must, only a fool would choose not to.

12 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Shoulder check in car or on bike is a must, only a fool would choose not to.

Riding and driving over sixty years and not a single accident, though have witnessed many including folks over correcting and near misses while swinging their heads like fools. Slow the f down and you won’t risk killing yourself or someone else.

14 minutes ago, novacova said:

Riding and driving over sixty years and not a single accident, though have witnessed many including folks over correcting and near misses while swinging their heads like fools. Slow the f down and you won’t risk killing yourself or someone else.

 

I was shooting the breeze with a bunch of long-term expats in Bangkok this week.  Of the 8 guys in the room, only 2 of us hadn't been in a significant scooter accident.  Four of them had been hospitalized, and the other 2 had gone for treatment but not admitted to hospital.

 

Not to mention, we have lost a few great guys that used to post here on TVF, to scooter crashes over the years.

 

I'm pretty convinced that it's not if...  It's when.  Regardless of your own skills.

On 10/16/2025 at 5:23 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

....

 

Always shoulder check… 

I agree.  Been riding motorbikes for more than 50 years, from Suzuki AP50 to Goldwing 1000.  I always shoulder check, never (touch wood) had a bad accident.

11 minutes ago, simon43 said:

I agree.  Been riding motorbikes for more than 50 years, from Suzuki AP50 to Goldwing 1000.  I always shoulder check, never (touch wood) had a bad accident.

Would advise getting a good set of convex mirrors or adjusting the ones you have on so you can see your surroundings and keep your face pointing toward the road ahead. 

14 hours ago, novacova said:

On 10/16/2025 at 1:23 PM, richard_smith237 said:

No ‘always’ shoulder check - it’s called a ‘life saver’ for a reason….

No. Eyes forward and use the mirrors while maintaining awareness of the surroundings, the same as when you’re driving a car, or do you always “shoulder check” while driving a car? 

On 10/16/2025 at 1:23 PM, richard_smith237 said:

It’s protected me numerous times…

& once when the vehicle in front had suddenly stopped in the center lane for no apparent reason I was quite caught out but couldn’t change lanes as a car was screaming up the outside…. 

You were riding too fast and carelessly. Would advise that you ride a scoopy inside the fog line on the left side of the road at 20kph until you get yourself under control.

 

Tell me you never rode anywhere outside of Thailand without directly telling me that. 

The frontage is the most lethal place to ride... 

 

I did stop behind the car in front - well under control...   the point being, 4 wheels stop quicker than two. 

And when someone unexpectedly stops in a centre lane, relying on the mirrors and performing a sudden lane change will kill you - a shoulder check 'must' be performed - its called a life safer because the mirrors do not pick everything up - in this case the shoulder check showed a car speeding up the right most lane so I was unable to switch to go around the stopping car - thus, I had little choice but to also brake hard....  I'm glad the car behind also stopped.

 

 

14 hours ago, novacova said:

On 10/16/2025 at 1:23 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Fortunately I was not too close & could stop in time….

Next time you may not be so lucky, slow down.

 

You mean, go slower than the traffic I'm following - that places me at greater risk. 

Fit in with the speed of traffic - don't 'become' the hazard everyone is trying to avoid - some fool on his phone will ride into the back of you.

 

14 hours ago, novacova said:

On 10/16/2025 at 1:23 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Always shoulder check… 

…is a road hazard. A lot can happen in that fraction of a second especially during a turn or lane change. Most people rubber necking on the road are bobbing through traffic competing with other vehicles and not flowing with the traffic, quite the killer. 

 

Hang on - you just told me to slow down...  now its flow with the traffic - make your mind up !!!

 

I think you wrote the above to find objection out of nothing - your comments make little sense in context.

 

Perform shoulder checks - its the lesson taught in all riding schools... unless you think Thailand is somehow different or the opinions of the experts who carry out training and testing are not for you.

 

We're even taught to perform a 'shoulder check' when driving, its called checking your blind spot.....   does that mean you are also a liability in a car ?

13 hours ago, impulse said:

I was shooting the breeze with a bunch of long-term expats in Bangkok this week.  Of the 8 guys in the room, only 2 of us hadn't been in a significant scooter accident.  Four of them had been hospitalized, and the other 2 had gone for treatment but not admitted to hospital.

 

Not to mention, we have lost a few great guys that used to post here on TVF, to scooter crashes over the years.

 

I'm pretty convinced that it's not if...  It's when.  Regardless of your own skills.

 

Motorcycle accidents are too common here...  I don't mean the self inflicted issues from drunk-riding, to speeding and riding recklessly....   I mean those riding normally and get clipped because someone was on their phone.

 

But - most of my friends who've been in motorcycle accidents have been riding carelessly and drunk at the time. 

 

I'm riding less and less these days - its too hot in BKK and the car is just more comfortable, I'm in no hurry to get anywhere - I'll use the motorcycle locally these days...  But when hitting a main road, I'll still 'gear up' (full face helmet, riding jacket with back protector, gloves etc)...  But that doesn't stop a kid pulling out of a side soi and riding right into you (which has happened - luckily nothing serious).

 

I've never dropped a motorcycle (outside of messing about in fields as a kid)...  that doesn't mean it won't happen on the next ride....  and I've been riding long enough for this not to be 'dunning kruger' effect, but if an accident happens, it won't be 'a solo incident' it will be because someone else screwed up and hit me - which is of course the greatest concern.... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

relying on the mirrors and performing a sudden lane change will kill you - a shoulder check 'must' be performed - its called a life safer because the mirrors do not pick everything up

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On 10/23/2025 at 10:11 AM, novacova said:

Would advise getting a good set of convex mirrors or adjusting the ones you have on so you can see your surroundings and keep your face pointing toward the road ahead. 

 

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I was unable to switch to go around the stopping car - thus, I had little choice but to also brake hard....  I'm glad the car behind also stopped.

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On 10/23/2025 at 9:03 AM, novacova said:

You were riding too fast and carelessly. Would advise that you ride a scoopy inside the fog line on the left side of the road at 20kph until you get yourself under control.