Just now, fredwiggy said:

You would be surprised just how many, and how long, women stay with controlling men. Some actually think it's okay, again from what they've seen growing up and how they look at themselves and their self esteem.

Some think they don't deserve better, and a father who degrades his daughter will have her thinking long after she isn't worthy. Looking at Thailand and other Asian countries, where Buddhism is a mainstay, the religion itself has men seeing women as secondary. This allows easier control, manipulation and abuse to happen here, until they see life can be different with an outsider. There is a lot more control in relationships in Asian and Middle eastern countries than the US, where people have learned they are more equal.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It's more that they know they can't get all that they want, because they may not be 10s themselves. So they compromise. They still want it. They just know they can't get it.

I think that's your own 'projection'.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Looking at Thailand and other Asian countries, where Buddhism is a mainstay, the religion itself has men seeing women as secondary. This allows easier control, manipulation and abuse to happen here, until they see life can be different with an outsider.

I had this a bit with Phuket Girl, she told me how incredible it was that I took her somewhere every day, always made sure she'd have what she wanted. Her previous two boyfriends would do it once a week maybe. I think she found life was better with a farang.

Not that it did anything for me, of course, she's still gone.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Not that it did anything for me, of course, she's still gone.

Exactly...

Just now, Cameroni said:

I had this a bit with Phuket Girl, she told me how incredible it was that I took her somewhere every day, always made sure she'd have what she wanted. Her previous two boyfriends would do it once a week maybe. I think she found life was better with a farang.

Not that it did anything for me, of course, she's still gone.

This is one main reason it's better to look for women instead of girls. They aren't mature until their mid 20's at least, and many make irrational decisions based on what their girlfriends do. Older women being more mature know more of what to look for in a man, how to treat him, and are more likely to be more independent. The older, usually the less games, unless she's just disturbed in her thinking anyway.

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

This thread is gold really - I know its sad... but I keep on coming back...

... its much better than the anti-vax threads for a good pish-take.

Yep, as I said I am on my computer anyway for many hours of the day writing my apps, so my excuse is to give my brain a rest by readying and replying to some of the stuff on this site as it makes me laugh.

I looked at the app you mentioned called Life360 to see if I can make my own version of it, I saw it collects our phone number and states it will be used for advertising etc with third parties so I did not register, I can maybe make one which does not do that.

I don't know how complex it would be to write the app yet until I look into it but I do know how to 'drive' the Apple Developers map feature within my own apps and can display and pinpoint my own phone with a map overlay so if I can find a way to received the senders coordinates I will be able to write the app.

This time next year Rodney we will be mylyonairs (again) (Only Fools And Horses TV series).

The phrase that I would hear the most from women in conversation, was that "all men are dogs".

So some will make you pay for the privilege. As @fredwiggy stated, decent women, who love and respect their fathers, hold themselves to a different standard. Most of you don't get to meet these women. They can smell you from a mile off.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It's more that they know they can't get all that they want, because they may not be 10s themselves. So they compromise. They still want it. They just know they can't get it.

what they want might be much simpler than what you imply.

as for what they offer... they are in a service industry, and the capable operators i.e. successful girls have a talent to adapt to what the customer needs or wants. You like romance? Can be done! drama? No problem. Whatever rocks your boat. Just physical? Means nothing. deep down you like emancipated western girls? Even this they are able to emulate quite well, if necessary. Well and for Arab customers they happily slip into a burqa. Its Fantasyland for adults. The moment you take it seriously you will be in trouble.

"Love" is simply lust that either ends with boredom or morphs into habit. We dress it up, but the reality is that long term "love" is merely fear of change. That is "love" between a man and a woman.

A mother's love is just instinct, as is a child's love for his mother.

I can still enjoy "love", and continue to pretend it's more than it is, but the fact doesn't change what it is.

8 hours ago, mangkut70 said:

Oh boy, it seems you are all wrapped around her like a lovesick puppy.

Why would she not call you in front of her aunt? If you are someone special to her, if she sees you as the lottery-win future, she would gladly and proudly introduce you to family and friends. (Unless she can’t because she did this already with someone else. In a traditional Isaan village she can do this once – well, maybe every five years 😋).

This “if you have a problem with me, we can break up” is textbook. Drives the hook even deeper.

Seriously, if you are able to provide a generous allowance every month there are thousands of girls who would be happy and treat you like a king. The way she acts seems not worth the trouble.

Why not ghost her for a change? And see how she reacts?

Like I wrote before, it reminds me a lot of a certain special someone from my past. I’ve witnessed firsthand, how she managed her several sponsors, in fact regularly helped her to write emails. Learned a lot in the process. She was literally riding me while on the phone with others, telling them how “good girl” she was. And good she was indeed. Hilarious. Well, that was way before smartphones, age of Nokia bricks, so no video call possible.

It was amazing how much money she could make. Before we met, she used to work Agogo in Phuket until SARS hit 2003, had a substantial list of former customers she kept in contact with. Mindboggling how much money guys sent to her and she did not even need to spread her legs. And the sob stories she could generate. Just wow.

Back to your girl – I don’t say it’s impossible that she could in fact be a gem and only had 5 guys instead of 5km. No tattoos, no kids (stretch marks?), no drugs etc. – there is a shimmer of hope. But everything else you disclosed here sounds a lot like she is a skilled operator. Focus on the facts you KNOW and can VERIFY and not the things she told you and you can’t check.

In any case...good luck!

What I don't understand is why have a girl like this full time in the first place, it does not seem worth it.

Why don't these guys just hire one every now and then knowing what games they play without the stress, if the old bloke is out there to shag a young woman which they can only get if they pay then why not play around as those sort of girls do.

Taking them seriously and trying to mould them into what you want will never work, they will act of course and pretend they are doing what you want them to do as long as the money flows, it seems more like a pain in the arsee to me. (no I am not talking about ladyboys😃)

These girls are clever, they use the guys egos against them making them believe they really do care for them, they deserve Oscars for their performances.

Then when the girl get older as seems to be a sore point for those types if guys then they can just move onto the next batch of call girls without having to buy the house, car, pay for the woman's parents etc.

They basically feel desperate to satisfy their own ego and are willing to believe any old crape the girls come out with.

But it does make me laugh as any old bloke can afford to hire a young good looking woman without making a song and dance about it, I say just get on with it, but in 99% of cases it seems you have to be attracted to women from Isaan.

29 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

The phrase that I would hear the most from women in conversation, was that "all men are dogs".

So some will make you pay for the privilege. As @fredwiggy stated, decent women, who love and respect their fathers, hold themselves to a different standard. Most of you don't get to meet these women. They can smell you from a mile off.

I have never heard a woman say that before re men and dogs, it sounds like an American expression probably used by those butch like American women? (I am not saying they are all like that only some).

Just now, JamesPhuket10 said:

I have never heard a woman say that before re men and dogs, it sounds like an American expression probably used by those butch like American women? (I am not saying they are all like that only some).

U.K. Australia, Thailand... Didn't look for nor meet women in the USA, as I had my own with me whilst traversing there.. Though I met women from the USA outside the USA whilst backpacking and they were very nice to me. I remember telling one that I was thinking of travelling to the USA and she sent me, via post, at some expense, a large amount of travel guides and published material.

This has been my experience with women from around the world... Japan, USA, Scandinavia, Thailand, Italy and other European countries...the list goes on. All spent their money to send me things from abroad or to buy me gifts. At no point did I finance any of these women.

It's all about how you connect with people and why I don't ever have to pay someone to stay with me.

There may be good reason why you didn't hear that from a woman...

22 minutes ago, Wingate said:

"Love" is simply lust that either ends with boredom or morphs into habit. We dress it up, but the reality is that long term "love" is merely fear of change. That is "love" between a man and a woman.

A very minimalist approach. It has a seed of truth, since obviously lust, ie the instinct for procreation, is at the heart of love, and an indispensable part of it, obviously love is a lot more than lust. Or else every prostitute would experience love 10 times a day.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

A very minimalist approach. It has a seed of truth, since obviously lust, ie the instinct for procreation, is at the heart of love, and an indispensable part of it, obviously love is a lot more than lust. Or else every prostitute would experience love 10 times a day.

One prostitute told me that she gets her love from her customers. Such a broken view of love. Damaged beyond repair.

22 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

U.K. Australia, Thailand... Didn't look for nor meet women in the USA, as I had my own with me whilst traversing there.. Though I met women from the USA outside the USA whilst backpacking and they were very nice to me. I remember telling one that I was thinking of travelling to the USA and she sent me, via post, at some expense, a large amount of travel guides and published material.

This has been my experience with women from around the world... Japan, USA, Scandinavia, Thailand, Italy and other European countries...the list goes on. All spent their money to send me things from abroad or to buy me gifts. At no point did I finance any of these women.

It's all about how you connect with people and why I don't ever have to pay someone to stay with me.

There may be good reason why you didn't hear that from a woman...

There is a good reason I did not hear that from a woman, I have never mixed with such stupid uneducated women.

As a software engineer I have worked in the UK, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden and twice in the USA, once for a year, American women just love the English accent so of course I played on it making them dead easy to pull.

Also holidayed in many other countries around the world.

I have also never paid for a woman as the ones I went out with had good jobs, educated and were self standing as is the case with my very long standing relationship with my Thai partner, she is completely independent regarding money.

So good for you re not paying, you are like most of the rest of us guys then but I am not sure why you raised the subject of paying for one in respect to my comment, that is bit like something you just pulled out of the air?.

1 minute ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

There is a good reason I did not hear that from a woman, I have never mixed with such stupid uneducated women.

As a software engineer I have worked in the UK, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden and twice in the USA, once for a year, American women just love the English accent so of course I played on it making them dead easy to pull.

Also holidayed in many other countries around the world.

I have also never paid for a woman as the ones I went out with had good jobs, educated and were self standing as is the case with my very long standing relationship with my Thai partner, she is completely independent regarding money.

So good for you re not paying, you are like most of the rest of us guys then but I am not sure why you raised the subject of paying for one in respect to my comment, that is bit like something you just pulled out of the air?.

Don't be silly, you have no idea as to the level of education of the women concerned. I get to hear a lot of things that women don't and won't tell their sponsors.

As to my comment about those who pay, if the cap fits, wear it. If it doesn't, then why are you complaining? I didn't name you, did I? I write about my own experiences. It's not all about you 😊

I could ask why you wrote foolishness with regard to American women. That also could be regarded as "stupid and uneducated". Perhaps you should at least try to be a little less judgemental and instead base your comments on the information actually provided.

P.S. I've met very nice people from Issan, who have absolutely nothing to do with the P4P scene. Take it easy.

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

I still get a thrill when I think of her, but when she thinks of me now she may just feel disgust, hatred and contempt.

That was always there - she just a masked it well with good acting in lieu of a payday - and you fell for it hook line and sinker.

The mask did falter a couple of times, you mentioned the look of contempt earlier on in the thread when you were in Chiang Mai together and had a disagreement.

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

She did study at university actually.

There you go trying to polish that turd again - she 'attended' an institution, never finished.

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

But yes, she was damn good in bed, and outside it too.

Lots of experience with lots of different clients will teach her that - 'the university of putting it about' !

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

had this a bit with Phuket Girl, she told me how incredible it was that I took her somewhere every day, always made sure she'd have what she wanted. Her previous two boyfriends would do it once a week maybe. I think she found life was better with a farang.

Not that it did anything for me, of course, she's still gone.

Because she's not getting her pay day so has moved back to doing something she knows will pay out - the Pattaya high-season.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

That was always there - she just a masked it well with good acting in lieu of a payday - and you fell for it hook line and sinker.

The mask did falter a couple of times, you mentioned the look of contempt earlier on in the thread when you were in Chiang Mai together and had a disagreement.

It was a shaky start at the airport. But we talked for hours on the bed, we showered together at her suggestion, we made love at her suggestion, she kissed me out of herself and sought physical contact out of herself for no reason. She was jealous other girls wrote. She liked me.

But not on the day she flew away. I saw the look on her face when she was leaving. There was no love already. Writing those texts to my Ex really was a major mistake. After she saw my phone she changed completely.

Yes, yesterday still we talked about moving to Chonburi together. But after I pressed her for proof where she was, she got annoyed. She told me "I don't like you. You were not honest". Again talked about what was in my phone.

It's really regrettable, because she was physically far more present and warm than anyone could hope for, her personality was fun and vibrant. And I messed it up by texting another girl for no real reason. Tragic really.

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It was a shaky start at the airport. But we talked for hours on the bed, we showered together at her suggestion, we made love at her suggestion, she kissed me out of herself and sought physical contact out of herself for no reason. She was jealous other girls wrote. She liked me.

Sounds like normal service. Do you think she loved you at that point? Seriously man...pull yourself together!

1 minute ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Do you think she loved you

Well, she told me she loved me once, in the throes of very passioate necking on day 14 I think. But it was more than that. It's not just that she was out of herself seeking my physical proximity in bed, throwing her legs over my hips and her arm over my arm when she went to sleep, or that she initiated sex out of herself and really put effort into it. Not just her kissing me out of the blue again and again. Or being jealous of other girls who wrote to me. She also did things for me in daily life, things girls do who really care for you.

If she didn't, she was well on the way. But my phone may have killed it.

27 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It was a shaky start at the airport. But we talked for hours on the bed, we showered together at her suggestion, we made love at her suggestion, she kissed me out of herself and sought physical contact out of herself for no reason. She was jealous other girls wrote. She liked me.

But not on the day she flew away. I saw the look on her face when she was leaving. There was no love already. Writing those texts to my Ex really was a major mistake. After she saw my phone she changed completely.

Yes, yesterday still we talked about moving to Chonburi together. But after I pressed her for proof where she was, she got annoyed. She told me "I don't like you. You were not honest". Again talked about what was in my phone.

It's really regrettable, because she was physically far more present and warm than anyone could hope for, her personality was fun and vibrant. And I messed it up by texting another girl for no real reason. Tragic really.

She's a well practiced actress - its her job to make you believe what you want to believe - her actions have been mercenary and straight out of the p4p playbook.

She will feed you any information you want to keep you pulling the wool over your own eyes.

And when she realises this is not going to be profitable, the veneer fades and you get a glimpse of the reality your ego wants to believe is untrue.

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, she told me she loved me once, in the throes of very passioate necking on day 14 I think.

No she didn't, she told you she loved you 20% (or something like that) and only when you asked her.

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

But it was more than that. It's not just that she was out of herself seeking my physical proximity in bed, throwing her legs over my hips and her arm over my arm when she went to sleep, or that she initiated sex out of herself and really put effort into it. Not just her kissing me out of the blue again and again.

Its her job - the very design of the her facade is to make you believe you are wanted so you will keep er in employ - it really is that simple with such characters and the vast majority of people reading this thread can see those signs immediate - because you couldn't identify those signs does not mean she 'loves' you - just just means you are blinded by your own ego and beleive that a girl in a mercenary business could give up her material needs and because she likes / loves you - the naivety is very amusing.

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Or being jealous of other girls who wrote to me.

Protecting her potential income.

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She also did things for me in daily life, things girls do who really care for you.

The washing up & cleaning ?

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

If she didn't, she was well on the way. But my phone may have killed it.

Money would have saved it... Offer 25k for last month, 25k for next month - she'll be on her way... just as soon as her current 'contract' is complete.

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

She's a well practiced actress - its her job to make you believe what you want to believe - her actions have been mercenary and straight out of the p4p playbook.

She will feed you any information you want to keep you pulling the wool over your own eyes.

And when she realises this is not going to be profitable, the veneer fades and you get a glimpse of the reality your ego wants to believe is untrue.

We are all actors and actresses to some degree of course, but there is a level of affection you can't fake. It's genuine, at least in the moment. If it was a performance there was no need to jump on my lap, wrap her arms around my neck, grind her ass on my lap and kiss me like I was the most delicious lollypop on earth.

It went way beyond that though. She did small acts of service, things she thought of, which were not required, something she volunteered to do. That girls only do if they care for you.

I'm not just talking about the things she said. I'm talking about things she actually DID.

Of course money may have played a role. When she saw that BKK escort website she was way too interested in it. Seeing those girls make 8000 a night was not good. She was already being bombarded by guys trying to buy her with money. i saw the texts. She may have thought she would make so much money with this. i don't know.

What I don't understand is that AFTER she saw the phone, both in my house and say yesterday, when she talked about moving to Chonburi with me, talking about condos, she always seemed loving, and talking about the future. But then at times her distant, heavy mood came through, like at the airport when she left. Or yesterday night.

I'd hate to think it was my meaningless texts to the Ex that caused it all.

4 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

One prostitute told me that she gets her love from her customers. Such a broken view of love. Damaged beyond repair.

Prostitutes are humans to, with thoughts and feelings as anyone else. It is your view that is pre programmed how you think life is for people, and you thinking only with your own knowledge and limited experience.

If you know how many girls growing up in this country, with no hugs, and no touching, bullied for their skin colour, thinking they are ugly, and suddenly they get attention, same as many men worthless on the marked back home get some easy touches by girls here and fall for the first one they meet, and think it is true love.

What happened to you?

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

No she didn't, she told you she loved you 20% (or something like that) and only when you asked her.

That was at the beginning. But later on we had one of those exceptional mornings, which started with basically warm embraces, tight, passionate embraces and kissing. And I told her how crazy I was about her, how I loved her. About 10 minutes after, I had already turned around to sleep some more, she very deliberately said "I have to tell you something. I love you".

That was the only time she said it with real conviction.

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Its her job - the very design of the her facade is to make you believe you are wanted

No, this was way beyond a facade. This was at night, when she went to sleep. Almost involuntary. She'd, drunk with sleep, wrap herself around me. It was real affection, Richard.

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The washing up & cleaning ?

I'll give you an example. On the day she was supposed to leave her flight was 6pm. We got up late. The day before she had told me how she would like to style my hair. i go to a salon that costs a bit of money, and she said she can do it, she does it for her mother. I said sure and forgot about it. Because she was rushing so much on the day of her flight I didn't think she would do it. Then she said "When do I do your hair?". Despite being rushed and having little time to pack, she still insisted to style my hair. Days before that she wanted to put make up on me. She paid for my petrol. She did so many things for me.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

We are all actors and actresses to some degree of course, but there is a level of affection you can't fake. It's genuine, at least in the moment. If it was a performance there was no need to jump on my lap, wrap her arms around my neck, grind her ass on my lap and kiss me like I was the most delicious lollypop on earth.

It was all a performance - your ego wont accept that this was well practiced act to secure your affection / attention and a desirable financial outcome.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It went way beyond that though. She did small acts of service, things she thought of, which were not required, something she volunteered to do. That girls only do if they care for you.

We was well practiced enough to make you think that - maybe she's a natural at this work, may even take some enjoyment, or at least be less repulsed with some customers than others, especially as you are not some gross overweight pig.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I'm not just talking about the things she said. I'm talking about things she actually DID.

Of course money may have played a role. When she saw that BKK escort website she was way too interested in it. Seeing those girls make 8000 a night was not good. She was already being bombarded by guys trying to buy her with money. i saw the texts. She may have thought she would make so much money with this. i don't know.

You showed her that she could make more in 3 nights, than she makes in a month - of course she was interested.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

What I don't understand is that AFTER she saw the phone, both in my house and say yesterday, when she talked about moving to Chonburi with me, talking about condos, she always seemed loving, and talking about the future. But then at times her distant, heavy mood came through, like at the airport when she left. Or yesterday night.

Mercenary behavior - it goes her way or the facade is dropped.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I'd hate to think it was my meaningless texts to the Ex that caused it all.

Why continue the 'act' if she doesn't believe she we get any money from you ? - its a waste of effort beyond a certain point. As soon as she believes she may get more money from you, she can flick the switch back on like a true pro.

Just popping my head in now. What's the update? Sounds like OP may have got dumped.

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

It was all a performance

No it wasn't. I still remember the intensity of her jealousy over the ex texting. She was very upset. It was too real. Her affection as well. All too real.

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Why continue the 'act' if she doesn't believe she we get any money from you ? - its a waste of effort beyond a certain point. As soon as she believes she may get more money from you, she can flick the switch back on like a true pro.

I think those were the times when she was wavering between leaving me and staying. Like yesterday. When she thought of the texts. She took photos of them. She always knew i'd pay her an allowance if she is with me. She didn't need to concern herself about it.

You NEVER know what is in a persons mind, no mater man or woman.

I would say a woman can hide very well and you could be surprised. That would be my experiences.

You have the slogan "men are from Mars, women from Venus", so already set the difference for long time.

It is about the brain and what is going there and sometimes, looks out of nowhere, pops.

Saw a docu of UK women in prison, were violent controlled by their hubbies. They couldnt get out and pop goes the brain, the killed their hubbies.

It was the last attempt for getting out, but then going to prison. Quit intriguing docu.

It doesnt matter with a woman, once the trigger in her head is switched. But you can experience that and can go very quick then.

Talking about issues with your partner will NOT help. Though said, you should talk, but no, doesnt work.

You live with imperfections and the ones upcoming and then decide for yourself you should stay or go and act then.

Too far or doable. It is what a woman do herself, the same, but I believe even stronger then men

And some even have a hidden agenda, playing it out in years. Mariage? It is BS, only contract for government issues.

Now I can say and recommend every man, never get married. But if you are younger, you have sometimes the other idea.

A story, dont know if it is real.

2 sisters from Phil married guys in "my country", 20 years gap, guys were 40 then.

Living all the time in mariage and were together as family. The guys reached age of pension and they were planning what they should do.

The ladies had decided ! They both divorced , took all the money and run back to the Phil, where they, still young, could live it up.

20 years blown away., hidden agenda. It happens.

Or a couple I know, married with god in relation as high moral standard. Never expected it, they would ever split up.

Tada, after 35 years, woman"s brain pops, gave up on god and divorced. That one I know happened for sure.

Never saw that coming, wtf! But ok it happens.

It also doesnt matter on how good you think you are doing, you can give her anything, but nope, still not good for some reason.

Pop goes the brain and Tom is divorced from Giselle (Tom wanted back in football), Silvester almost from Jennifer (because of a dog !)

Kevin Costner from Christine (due to working long time for movie far away) but Kevin already had other mariage broken up.

And Arnold from Maria (as Maria didnt like sex anymore?) And so many more. Women with popping brains.

So Cam, maybe her brain also popped. It is all in the game. However you made it quite difficult for her, maybe.

The age gap is maybe also quite big. But the ball is with you, so how you play the ball?

Accept the change, live with the imperfection, or ...?

But an older woman can also give you worries, all about the brain.

When or what is popping it.

2 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Just popping my head in now. What's the update? Sounds like OP may have got dumped.

I don't know. It was close yesterday. She again complained about me writing to the ex, being dishoest.

I then decided to not write to her anymore. To just reitre to the bedroom and sleep through my pain. But past midnight i checked the phone. There were a number of messages from her "????" "Have another girl?" "Ok" "I will block you". She didn't block me though.

But she must have got very upset, because I replied and whilst she read my texts, she never replied this morning and has been absent all day.

Maybe it is over, I don't know. Something tells me not though.