Just now, NorthernRyland said:

Just popping my head in now. What's the update? Sounds like OP may have got dumped.

Ops being played for a kipper !!!

She's playing the 'come to Chonburi' and get a condo together 'card'... which of course will never happen (there will always be excuses why not).

She's uncontactable, except by text. She doesn't want the Op to interrupt her when she's with a customer in Pattaya.

She's keeping the Op on the hook and will do so for the next month or so, seeing how much money she can make from either meeting guys from ThaiFriendly / Tinder and or freelancing in the bars - If that doesn't work out - OP is a backup plan, but in the meantime she's getting 'irritated' by his constant demand for proof of her location etc that she cannot give has that gives up too much and the Op is neurotic enough to just show up and cause a scene.

So.. no the Op is not being dumped - he's being kept at arms length but on the hook just incase she needs to go back to him.

She's playing the game a like a pro / he's playing the game like a lovesick teenager.

3 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

So Cam, maybe her brain also popped. It is all in the game. However you made it quite difficult for her, maybe.

The age gap is maybe also quite big. But the ball is with you, so how you play the ball?

Accept the change, live with the imperfection, or ...?

I tried to make it easy for her. i really did. I did most everything for her. Tried to show her the best parts of the city. When she researched any place and mentioned it, I made sure to take her there. I was affectionate, kind and thoughtful. I was entertaining. But yes, of course, I made mistakes. I was too hardball on the ex issue. Or when she threatened to go back to Phuket. She actually packed her suitcase. But I persuaded her I loved her and didn't want her to go . So she stayed. Then, the real mistake, was to write to the ex. When she saw my phone she would have been horrified.

Yes, the age gap is not great.

The ball is with her actually now. I will stop writing now, unless she writes. Not sure that's the right thing to do though. Normally the less attractive party should chase.

I would accept anything to be with her again. But I'm not sure she feels the same way. She has to show me.

She is the one who left, and then lied about being in Sisaket, after all.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Maybe it is over, I don't know. Something tells me not though.

Of course its not over... She's just busy.

It takes a few seconds to read or send you a message (from the bathroom etc)...

But she can't call you - that would interfere with business and also open your door to the reality of what she is doing - this is message only or comms blackout - nothing else works.

When she has break or some time to herself - you will get a call from a public place (the beach etc) - it will be a lovely call, plans for the future, everything you want to hear to keep you on the hook...

... then the radio silence will return, going off radar and comms brownouts - as she doesn't want you to interrupt her 'operations' - she will make up some excuse for this... tired & sleeping, unwell, looking after someone, phone problems etc...

You will slowly fall in to the pattern meanwhile clinging on to the hope that it can still work out - and it might - in a few months once things go quiet in Pattaya and she can no longer make money there so easily - she can return to you and act like the loving girlfriend, just so long as you offer her some security...

9 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Or a couple I know, married with god in relation as high moral standard. Never expected it, they would ever split up.

Tada, after 35 years, woman"s brain pops, gave up on god and divorced. That one I know happened for sure.

Never saw that coming, wtf! But ok it happens.

This is as much a problem with law as anything. The man is probably sick of her too to some degree but leaving doesn't gain him anything except maybe some peace. With the women she can go find her peace and get a huge payday out of it to help fund her retirement.

I think this is a large part of the why divorce is so common, especially at older ages where presumably you need support the most.

"Show me the incentive, and I'll show you the outcome".

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I then decided to not write to her anymore. To just reitre to the bedroom and sleep through my pain. But past midnight i checked the phone. There were a number of messages from her "????" "Have another girl?" "Ok" "I will block you". She didn't block me though.

Yup typical Thai girl nonsense. Those women in their 20s are like children, I could never put up with it for very long.

She's obviously going to get bored eventually and find another adventure since that seems to be her game. All things considered I'd say you got good value for money so I wouldn't consider this a fail by any means.

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Of course its not over... She's just busy.

It takes a few seconds to read or send you a message (from the bathroom etc)...

But she can't call you - that would interfere with business and also open your door to the reality of what she is doing - this is message only or comms blackout - nothing else works.

When she has break or some time to herself - you will get a call from a public place (the beach etc) - it will be a lovely call, plans for the future, everything you want to hear to keep you on the hook...

... then the radio silence will return, going off radar and comms brownouts - as she doesn't want you to interrupt her 'operations' - she will make up some excuse for this... tired & sleeping, unwell, looking after someone, phone problems etc...

You will slowly fall in to the pattern meanwhile clinging on to the hope that it can still work out - and it might - in a few months once things go quiet in Pattaya and she can no longer make money there so easily - she can return to you and act like the loving girlfriend, just so long as you offer her some security...

If she contacts me again, I will go all in and insist we move in together. Whether in Chonburi or CM. I don't care. But I won't be jerked around in the way you describe. Or she is all in as well, or we part ways.

She's great and I do love her. But she does not reciprocate, then there are many other lovely women in the world.

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She's playing the game a like a pro / he's playing the game like a lovesick teenager.

it's a pity, if he bailed earlier before any trouble started it would be a pump and dump and total victory. 😂

Just now, NorthernRyland said:

Yup typical Thai girl nonsense. Those women in their 20s are like children, I could never put up with it for very long.

She's obviously going to get bored eventually and find another adventure since that seems to be her game. All things considered I'd say you got good value for money so I wouldn't consider this a fail by any means.

That's my concern as well, that she'll go on a new adventure. She has options thrown at her every day I suspect. I saw her convos on Line etc.

No, it's not a fail by any means. Since I saw first hand how amazing a girl can be that really seeks full on physicality, hugging, kissing and sex, She was really all in in terms of physical affection. I think she may have ruined me for other girls. The previous girl was very different. So at least I know what's possible now and will insist on that.

I also learned the importance of not contacting your ex at all. So there's that.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

If she contacts me again, I will go all in and insist we move in together. Whether in Chonburi or CM. I don't care. But I won't be jerked around in the way you describe. Or she is all in as well, or we part ways.

You will be jerked around - you've shown an remarkably high tolerance for been taking for an absolute sucker... IF this went so far as you moving in Chonburi - you'd double down as you've make a big commitment....

... .she'd make up arguments, disappear for nights...

Or she'd meet with friends, which you won't allow, so she'd storm out in an argument... disappearing for the night, or a couple of days... "oooh Teerak, it was so late and dangerous to come home, I stayed with my sister"...

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She's great and I do love her. But she does not reciprocate, then there are many other lovely women in the world.

Correct - no reciprocation at all - just and act, giving you what you so clearly show you need.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, it's not a fail by any means. Since I saw first hand how amazing a girl can be that really seeks full on physicality, hugging, kissing and sex, She was really all in in terms of physical affection. I think she may have ruined me for other girls. The previous girl was very different. So at least I know what's possible now and will insist on that.

There's most certainly hordes of these same girls. It's all fun and games at first until it fizzles out but they need to be fun at first for it to go anywhere so presumably many can do that much.

5 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

it's a pity, if he bailed earlier before any trouble started it would be a pump and dump and total victory. 😂

Well, so far, she has failed as she hasn't got much money out of him... hence the 'fake' move to Sisaket before the truth came out and she's in Pattaya to work in bar (but told him a factory !)... she needs to make money.

He can't bail because he's 'love sick' - he'll end up chasing her to Pattaya and struggle to look around for her.

Can't wait for that showdown.

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

IF this went so far as you moving in Chonburi - you'd double down as you've make a big commitment....

That's a good point, the more you invest the harder it would be.

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Or she'd meet with friends, which you won't allow,

This is actually a real concern, as she has two friends in Pattaya. Very close friends she really likes. So yes, that would be a drawback to Chonburi. She'd want to go and see them. Only with me, if we were to get back together.

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

he'll end up chasing her to Pattaya and struggle to look around for her.

She says she's in Chonburi City, not Pattaya. If I had her real address I'd go see her. But I dont' have confidence that I do.

She just texted me.

Says she's not angry with me.

Asked me what i was doing.

OH MY GOD! SHE IS COMING BACK TOMORROW!!!!

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

OH MY GOD! SHE IS COMING BACK TOMORROW!!!!

Is that a cry of joy, or are you now in problems as BK girl is coming?

Just now, xtrnuno41 said:

Is that a cry of joy, or are you now in problems as BK girl is coming?

Cry of Joy. I will have to delete the chat with BKK girl and block her.

Time to go all in.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Cry of Joy. I will have to delete the chat with BKK girl and block her.

Time to go all in.

Then throw away all contacts on your phone. As you should already have done.

7 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Then throw away all contacts on your phone. As you should already have done.

She likes to f with me.

She texted "I was joking".

When I said "When are you really coming back?"

She replied "I don't know".

She is a very cruel female.

36 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

he'll end up chasing her to Pattaya and struggle to look around for her.

She says she's in Chonburi City, not Pattaya. If I had her real address I'd go see her. But I dont' have confidence that I do.

She's in Pattaya - she's not stupid... Pattaya is within Chonburi...

She's told you Chonburi because you 'want' to believe your innocent little plaything is not putting it about the bars of Pattaya... and she's technically not lying if she tells you Chonburi.

38 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She just texted me.

Says she's not angry with me.

Asked me what i was doing.

Her customer just cancelled for the evening ! - back to keeping you on the hook...

24 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

OH MY GOD! SHE IS COMING BACK TOMORROW!!!!

What happened to the factory work (that never was)... hmmm...

Obviously her 'existing customer' has just dropped her like a hot potato.. or things are not going as well as planned and she's dipping a toe in that water...

..... seeing if you are still on the hook...

No radio silence tonight - Monday nights are slower in the bars in Pattaya ?

She still won't give you a face to face call...

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She likes to f with me.

She texted "I was joking".

When I said "When are you really coming back?"

She replied "I don't know".

She is a very cruel female.

No that is Thai humor

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

We are all actors and actresses to some degree of course, but there is a level of affection you can't fake. It's genuine, at least in the moment. If it was a performance there was no need to jump on my, wrap her arms around my neck, grind her ass on my lap and kiss me like I was the most delicious lollypop on earth.

It went way beyond that though. She did small acts of service, things she thought of, which were not required, something she volunteered to do. That girls only do if they care for you.

I'm not just talking about the things she said. I'm talking about things she actually DID.

Of course money may have played a role. When she saw that BKK escort website she was way too interested in it. Seeing those girls make 8000 a night was not good. She was already being bombarded by guys trying to buy her with money. i saw the texts. She may have thought she would make so much money with this. i don't know.

What I don't understand is that AFTER she saw the phone, both in my house and say yesterday, when she talked about moving to Chonburi with me, talking about condos, she always seemed loving, and talking about the future. But then at times her distant, heavy mood came through, like at the airport when she left. Or yesterday night.

I'd hate to think it was my meaningless texts to the Ex that caused it all.

You want a whore in the bedroom and a good girl outside it. How is that working out for you?

She was working. That's her job. You aren't special. Anyone can be nice when they think they are getting what they want or think they are going to get what they want. it's how they behave in adverse weather that makes the difference.

Neither of you have particularly high standards, but you still let each other down. You get a 'thumbs down' from me.

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She's in Pattaya - she's not stupid... Pattaya is within Chonburi...

She's told you Chonburi because you 'want' to believe your innocent little plaything is not putting it about the bars of Pattaya... and she's technically not lying if she tells you Chonburi.

No, I said Pattaya, she specifically corrected me "No, I'm in "Chonburi City".

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

What happened to the factory work (that never was)... hmmm...

Obviously her 'existing customer' has just dropped her like a hot potato.. or things are not going as well as planned and she's dipping a toe in that water...

..... seeing if you are still on the hook...

No radio silence tonight - Monday nights are slower in the bars in Pattaya ?

Nothing. She was just playing with me. She said she was joking. She's not coming back tomorrow.

I asked "When are you coming back then?" She said "I don't know".

She may be keeping the date secret on purpose, as she wants to check if I have BKK girl at home!

Or she'll never come back of course.

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Prostitutes are humans to, with thoughts and feelings as anyone else. It is your view that is pre programmed how you think life is for people, and you thinking only with your own knowledge and limited experience.

If you know how many girls growing up in this country, with no hugs, and no touching, bullied for their skin colour, thinking they are ugly, and suddenly they get attention, same as many men worthless on the marked back home get some easy touches by girls here and fall for the first one they meet, and think it is true love.

What happened to you?

Of course we can assume that you were speaking for yourself. I already wrote what happened to me. Perhaps you should read and absorb, prior to writing what seems like complete nonsense to me.

I've known this woman for five years and I don't remember telling you that she was from this country.

Some people will always be 'victims' @Hummin and they will use their victimhood to punish other people. Whatever happened to me, I stay loving and testament to that is being surrounded by people who love, trust and stay with me without coercion, money or material goods.

All you lot seem to do is to count the value for money you are getting from your union. As for limited experience...how would you know? Do you imagine your experience more extensive?

5 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Don't be silly, you have no idea as to the level of education of the women concerned. I get to hear a lot of things that women don't and won't tell their sponsors.

As to my comment about those who pay, if the cap fits, wear it. If it doesn't, then why are you complaining? I didn't name you, did I? I write about my own experiences. It's not all about you 😊

I could ask why you wrote foolishness with regard to American women. That also could be regarded as "stupid and uneducated". Perhaps you should at least try to be a little less judgemental and instead base your comments on the information actually provided.

P.S. I've met very nice people from Issan, who have absolutely nothing to do with the P4P scene. Take it easy.

I could equally push what you have said back onto you then.

Don't take yourself so seriously, this is just a noddy site where people take the pisss out of each other, or tell lies or pretend to be something they are not.

I use the site to give my brain a rest for ten minutes while programming, there is nothing deep or mysterious about the level of chat here so chill out.

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Nothing. She was just playing with me. She said she was joking. She's not coming back tomorrow.

I asked "When are you coming back then?" She said "I don't know".

She may be keeping the date secret on purpose, as she wants to check if I have BKK girl at home!

Or she'll never come back of course.

Nope... thats your ego again - whether or not she returns and the timing has nothing to do with you at all...

... it has everything to do with her existing customers and when they bail out and if she can get more - when the well runs dry - its back to you.

Just now, JamesPhuket10 said:

I could equally push what you have said back onto you then.

Don't take yourself so seriously, this is just a noddy site where people take the pisss out of each other, or tell lies or pretend to be something they are not.

I use the site to give my brain a rest for ten minutes while programming, there is nothing deep or mysterious about the level of chat here so chill out.

So you pushed it back to me, doesn't change anything. What you mean is that there is nothing deep and mysterious in what you write. I accept that.