30 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

How do you lose? I don't ever lose. I share. I'm going to share anyway, so I haven't lost anything. Being with difficult people gave me skills for dealing with difficult people. Being with people who love me gave me the appreciation of being loved. Where is the loss? No have 😊 It's all in the mind. It just gets better and better.

I don't see myself as the 'man in charge'. I'm in charge of myself and she's in charge of herself. With those strengths, we take care of each other. She is a person, just like me. Free to make her way in the world, but choosing to walk alongside me.

I meant when you trust, and they turn out toxic, you lose that relationship, a chance you took that turned out wrong, and can move onto better things. The thing you lose is time, which is the most precious commodity. But it's worth it when you find someone who's a good fit. Yes, we learn from our losses, and being with toxic people, and better sooner than later, but that's life. Attraction does most of us in, at least with those previous choices. By man in charge, God has the man being the leader of the household, but in my mind that doesn't mean the woman's a slave but a teammate, and teams win.

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Polished by AI used my own words ;-) Sorry I cant stop using AI, it is a great tool for me who have problems with grammar.

I like to dress, act, play, be someone based on my experiences and also what I truly believe is right to do. Not like a soap opera, but realizing if you want a good healthy partnership, you do the small things for each other, dress up when going to the city, stay a few nights in hotel,, take time for each other eating dinner, holding hands, and reminding each other why you love each other. Make a difference between normal days and date nights or weekends. All the small things that useally fading away when you have know each other and start to take each for granted.

Thanks you are the best 🙏

As long as you love, you are doing okay. When you start cheating, lying , hiding... you are going to have mental issues.

I keep it simple. You can trust me. No more talking nor worrying about it. You can leave me with your children, you can leave me with your money. They are/it is safe. That's my world and those are the people in my world. If you are not like that, you cannot enter.

It doesn't matter where I am. It's the same. People leave their kids with me at airports and wander off to do whatever they need to do. How can that be? Because there is a connection. They know...and you know.

That doesn't change. it's a constant. So I can find love wherever I go. It's easy. Because I am love.

Haters cannot understand. They think it's the world. But it's just them.

2 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

As long as you love, you are doing okay. When you start cheating, lying , hiding... you are going to have mental issues.

I keep it simple. You can trust me. No more talking nor worrying about it. You can leave me with your children, you can leave me with your money. They are/it is safe. That's my world and those are the people in my world. If you are not like that, you cannot enter.

It doesn't matter where I am. It's the same. People leave their kids with me at airports and wander off to do whatever they need to do. How can that be? Because there is a connection. They know...and you know.

That doesn't change. it's a constant. So I can find love wherever I go. It's easy. Because I am love.

Haters cannot understand. They think it's the world. But it's just them.

No need to go to war everytime either there is a misunderstanding or a little conflict, useally in real life I never experience conflicts and if there is some tension, i clear the issues, or just move on. Same with girls I met. If there where any tension or early red flags, I left sooner than later. I have no need for starting to educating my partner to be my best option, even we are talking about the best sex ever experience. I have no time to waste on people who can not behave.

Boring life is still a good life and I miss nothing, and everything I have done before, I very rarely think of, except memories catch up with me. Good to have done most of what you thought was the greatest things to do, but when the lights is off, it is the small things in life that gives most value and sustainability.

Happy to say chasing my ego, is over

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I meant when you trust, and they turn out toxic, you lose that relationship, a chance you took that turned out wrong, and can move onto better things. The thing you lose is time, which is the most precious commodity. But it's worth it when you find someone who's a good fit. Yes, we learn from our losses, and being with toxic people, and better sooner than later, but that's life. Attraction does most of us in, at least with those previous choices. By man in charge, God has the man being the leader of the household, but in my mind that doesn't mean the woman's a slave but a teammate, and teams win.

It makes no difference to me that they are toxic. It just means that I needed to learn that lesson. I still love and still communicate with them normally, even if they are unable. Doesn't mean that I don't get upset, but it doesn't change me for the worse. I'm just as nice and perhaps even nicer. Rather than succumbing to their state and becoming the same as them. That's a lesson that needed to be learned. So it's okay. You are still here and can still love, learn and grow.

Maybe I am the leader of the household, but I don't THINK that way. i just do the best possible, whilst retaining balance, good health and stability. That way leading by example. The woman doesn't need your money, she needs someone she can trust. If the man is wishy-washy, she'll depend on her own advice and look around at others.

Men are creating monsters out of women and then complaining about them. No connection other than wanting to have sex with them and giving them money for the privilege.

When they meet me, they realise/remember how it should be. Confirmation of their value. Priceless. They see people like the OP for what they are.

2 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

It makes no difference to me that they are toxic. It just means that I needed to learn that lesson. I still love and still communicate with them normally, even if they are unable. Doesn't mean that I don't get upset, but it doesn't change me for the worse. I'm just as nice and perhaps even nicer. Rather than succumbing to their state and becoming the same as them. That's a lesson that needed to be learned. So it's okay. You are still here and can still love, learn and grow.

Maybe I am the leader of the household, but I don't THINK that way. i just do the best possible, whilst retaining balance, good health and stability. That way leading by example. The woman doesn't need your money, she needs someone she can trust. If the man is wishy-washy, she'll depend on her own advice and look around at others.

Men are creating monsters out of women and then complaining about them. No connection other than wanting to have sex with them and giving them money for the privilege.

When they meet me, they realise/remember how it should be. Confirmation of their value. Priceless. They see people like the OP for what they are.

Always best to be civil, even if others try your patience. I try to avoid toxic people, but I had children with a couple of them, so it's an ongoing issue, at least until we can move back to the US. I've always treated women as well as I knew how, and learned by listening and reading up on them, but they haven't always treated me well. A couple bad choices, especially regarding those with children. Men do indeed create monsters out of decent women, expecting them to be slaves after winning them over. Mismatches are the bane of connections, the breakdown of the families, and the breakdown of society. Money should be a tool gained by both, along with all the other household necessities, teamwork. Some think all women are transactions, but not I.

15 minutes ago, Hummin said:

No need to go to war everytime either there is a misunderstanding or a little conflict, useally in real life I never experience conflicts and if there is some tension, i clear the issues, or just move on. Same with girls I met. If there where any tension or early red flags, I left sooner than later. I have no need for starting to educating my partner to be my best option, even we are talking about the best sex ever experience. I have no time to waste on people who can not behave.

Boring life is still a good life and I miss nothing, and everything I have done before, I very rarely think of, except memories catch up with me. Good to have done most of what you thought was the greatest things to do, but when the lights is off, it is the small things in life that gives most value and sustainability.

Happy to say chasing my ego, is over

I thought about addressing your first paragraph about conflicts and tensions and how you deal with them.

You didn't take too kindly when I tried it before 😊

But what I noticed is that when you didn't deal with a difficult situation at the time, you raged about it in your mind for a long time afterwards.

You point these things out in the hope the person will believe you and perhaps get to the root of the problem. But of course the receiver of the information doesn't always see what you see.

But rest assured, everything that I do, has good intention behind it.

2 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

I thought about addressing your first paragraph about conflicts and tensions and how you deal with them.

You didn't take too kindly when I tried it before 😊

But what I noticed is that when you didn't deal with a difficult situation at the time, you raged about it in your mind for a long time afterwards.

You point these things out in the hope the person will believe you and perhaps get to the root of the problem. But of course the receiver of the information doesn't always see what you see.

But rest assured, everything that I do, has good intention behind it.

All I see is someone who doesnt understand it takes two to tango, and when you start sending personal messages with psycho babble, then it is enough. I think you think I raged about it long time after, because you did, and had to change how many nicks? And still rage about it. You think you know me because you are who your are, but the truth is, you dont, and I have been a whole life working world wide with many nationalities and cultures, and know how to address conflicts, or just end them by not participating. End someone have to be the grown up and say enough is enough. So be not so sure you know more than everyone else, or you are better because you think so. Think through what you want out of your life and for what reasons you are here.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Always best to be civil, even if others try your patience. I try to avoid toxic people, but I had children with a couple of them, so it's an ongoing issue, at least until we can move back to the US. I've always treated women as well as I knew how, and learned by listening and reading up on them, but they haven't always treated me well. A couple bad choices, especially regarding those with children. Men do indeed create monsters out of decent women, expecting them to be slaves after winning them over. Mismatches are the bane of connections, the breakdown of the families, and the breakdown of society. Money should be a tool gained by both, along with all the other household necessities, teamwork. Some think all women are transactions, but not I.

I've dealt with a lot of difficult women. Even my mother 😊 The key was in making sense of it all and working behind the scenes.

The conundrum is my mind was this person who seemed to hate me, but did everything in her power to support me and more.

So difficult women don't faze me at all. Where other guys run for cover, for me it's a walk in the park.

That why when @Cameroni insists that you can buy any woman, I just smile. That's demeaning to yourself and the woman. So you end up with resentment, loss of self esteem. Creating a vortex for yourself that you cannot escape.

I treat people as if they too have the highest standards. They either love me or hate me for it. Makes no difference to me.

Even some of the women selling themselves will have standards. They use the money to help their family. In Phuket Girl's case, for her two kids quite likely. @Cameroni is just the caveat. If he was really a good guy, then there might be a chance of a real connection where he would be part of her inner circle. Then, you are back to sharing and she would protect him like a lioness.

The money doesn't buy you love and respect. How you treat them brings that. If you are worthy of respect, they will do that without the money.

All this idiocy of checking her phone is just disrespectful and demeaning. Treating her like a little child.

If you are going to take up with one of these women and it's just for sex and money, then don't expect them to love you...you aren't worthy.

14 minutes ago, Hummin said:

All I see is someone who doesnt understand it takes two to tango, and when you start sending personal messages with psycho babble, then it is enough. I think you think I raged about it long time after, because you did, and had to change how many nicks? And still rage about it. You think you know me because you are who your are, but the truth is, you dont, and I have been a whole life working world wide with many nationalities and cultures, and know how to address conflicts, or just end them by not participating. End someone have to be the grown up and say enough is enough. So be not so sure you know more than everyone else, or you are better because you think so. Think through what you want out of your life and for what reasons you are here.

Here we go again...raging. Take it easy dude. It's just the truth, You just aren't ready to deal with it. So let's just leave it for now.

FYI I wasn't referring to anything between yourself and myself. You just jumped to that conclusion.

7 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Here we go again...raging. Take it easy dude. It's just the truth, You just aren't ready to deal with it. So let's just leave it for now.

FYI I wasn't referring to anything between yourself and myself. You just jumped to that conclusion.

🤣 Priceless, good tactic, have a nice evening to you and yours. I mean it, at least you made me laugh, so thank you

Just now, Hummin said:

🤣 Priceless, good tactic, have a nice evening to you and yours. I mean it, at least you made me laugh, so thank you

Look at what I been writing in this thread. Do you see tactics or do you see a good guy?

Why would you imagine that I suddenly changed to attack you? That would be quite mad, wouldn't it?

If I write something, it is with good heart and good intention. But you automatically fly into a rage and are unable to listen. That's noticeable. Not just by me. I don't ever shy away from being truthful and honest without bias. Trust me when I say that those are the people you want in your life.

There is no bias, no tactics, no tricks, no ego... I say exactly what I've seen from you over the years. Even before we ever had a conversation.

You aren't ready to look inside to determine if I speak the truth. Perhaps you already know the truth.

3 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Look at what I been writing in this thread. Do you see tactics or do you see a good guy?

Why would you imagine that I suddenly changed to attack you? That would be quite mad, wouldn't it?

If I write something, it is with good heart and good intention. But you automatically fly into a rage and are unable to listen. That's noticeable. Not just by me. I don't ever shy away from being truthful and honest without bias. Trust me when I say that those are the people you want in your life.

There is no bias, no tactics, no tricks, no ego... I say exactly what I've seen from you over the years. Even before we ever had a conversation.

You aren't ready to look inside to determine if I speak the truth. Perhaps you already know the truth.

I give that you do not give up, and you want to continue, and truth is I wasn’t to one who started bringing up old dialogue again, at least I did not mean to. So I have zero interest in continue the argument of who is the lesser, bader, ignorant here, just accept we both do no need to continue that debate. Doesnt serve any of us.

I still think you are young, and therefor maybe will change as you live on, and maybe one day not be so sure. I might be wrong, but anyway, it really doesnt mater. It is internet.

What I can say, is when you came back with new nick, and was not finished form the previous, and had more to say about the same, then I was pissed, and with right.

Anyway, now we know each other we know which buttons to push, and we really do not need to. Im fine,

It's no coincidence that @Hummin , @fredwiggy and I are here now.

Just now, Hummin said:

I give that you do not give up, and you want to continue, and truth is I wasn’t to one who started bringing up old dialogue again, at least I did not mean to. So I have zero interest in continue the argument of who is the lesser, bader, ignorant here, just accept we both do no need to continue that debate. Doesnt serve any of us.

I still think you are young, and therefor maybe will change as you live on, and maybe one day not be so sure. I might be wrong, but anyway, it really doesnt mater. It is internet.

What I can say, is when you came back with new nick, and was not finished form the previous, and had more to say about the same, then I was pissed, and with right.

Anyway, now we know each other we know which buttons to push, and we really do not need to. Im fine,

You are thinking a lot of wrong things...

I don't ever give up on helping people, because that IS love.

The people described as toxic, are just you and me. When we cannot make sense of the world and so adapt it to what we imagine it to be.

But what you imagine is far away from reality.

I know what I am doing. You imagine something else. Something so far fetched that I wouldn't even imagine someone might think that.

If you can clear your mind of those bad thoughts, you'll be a better man, for sure.

I'm not attacking nor criticising.

3 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You are thinking a lot of wrong things...

Then I can excuse myself and say I do not know better :D

But Im okay, and I get a little bit better for each year, so maybe it is some hope for me to. Still wishing you a great evening. I keep no anger or no conflicting feelings against you, and Im fine just leaving it that way.

And I can be a prick sometime who misunderstand, but I try my best, I want you to know that, and anyone else I might have stepped on their toes, because I do not understand or never been in their shoes before.

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Then I can excuse myself and say I do not know better :D

But Im okay, and I get a little bit better for each year, so maybe it is some hope for me to. Still wishing you a great evening. I keep no anger or no conflicting feelings against you, and Im fine just leaving it that way.

And I can be a prick sometime who misunderstand, but I try my best, I want you to know that, and anyone else I might have stepped on their toes, because I do not understand or never been in their shoes before.

You can trust that if I say something, it's because I think that dealing with that problem will improve your life considerably. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with any conversations between you and I and it is ABSOLUTELY NOT any kind of criticism.

It's like me telling you that you have jam on your shirt. You clean it off and job done. But if you refuse to listen, you walk around with jam on your shirt the whole day.

I don't waste time and energy on bad thoughts and trying to hurt people. I feel good helping people and passing on knowledge. I noticed that you were upsetting yourself in certain ways and thought that if you changed your approach, you might solve the issues in a different way.

But first you have to acknowledge that the problem is yours. It's not just about you. Everyone has to do it it if they want to thrive and be happy.

This thread has been a masterclass. We all pitched together to give @Cameroni the best advice we could from our experience. Sometimes brutally honest.

We tell him when we think he is not being nice. We told him of the pitfalls. He bared his soul and took, at least some, of the blows. That's how we learn. We have to learn for ourselves, with a little help from our friends.

That's why we are here. There are no enemies here.

11 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You can trust that if I say something, it's because I think that dealing with that problem will improve your life considerably. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with any conversations between you and I and it is ABSOLUTELY NOT any kind of criticism.

It's like me telling you that you have jam on your shirt. You clean it off and job done. But if you refuse to listen, you walk around with jam on your shirt the whole day.

I don't waste time and energy on bad thoughts and trying to hurt people. I feel good helping people and passing on knowledge. I noticed that you were upsetting yourself in certain ways and thought that if you changed your approach, you might solve the issues in a different way.

But first you have to acknowledge that the problem is yours. It's not just about you. Everyone has to do it it if they want to thrive and be happy.

This thread has been a masterclass. We all pitched together to give @Cameroni the best advice we could from our experience. Sometimes brutally honest.

We tell him when we think he is not being nice. We told him of the pitfalls. He bared his soul and took, at least some, of the blows. That's how we learn. We have to learn for ourselves, with a little help from our friends.

That's why we are here. There are no enemies here.

👍😁

Thank you, now find someone else to help.

Just now, Hummin said:

👍😁

Thank you, now find someone else to help.

It's not all about you. You are just one of many. I will always help and there will always be those who cannot be helped. Makes no difference to my life at all. As long as my good stays a constant, I'll be okay. You'll do you. That's okay too. Your destiny is your destiny. As long as I do my best for you, I'm okay with myself.

I'll take your recent words into account:

And I can be a prick sometime who misunderstand, but I try my best, I want you to know that, and anyone else I might have stepped on their toes, because I do not understand or never been in their shoes before.

It didn't take long for you to demonstrate 😊

Hopefully in time, you'll get better 😊

1 minute ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

It's not all about you. You are just one of many. I will always help and there will always be those who cannot be helped. Makes no difference to my life at all. As long as my good stays a constant, I'll be okay. You'll do you. That's okay too. Your destiny is your destiny. As long as I do my best for you, I'm okay with myself.

It is interesting you want to help me, when you do not know me, so I say thank you, but no thank you.

If you take a deep dive in to your self, maybe you see it is you that needs help?

I mean this is on the edge of normal behavior on a forum like this, like a Christian missionaries comes here to convert people who do not even know they should be converted in the first place.

Just a friendly heads up, it doesn't work that way.

Just now, Hummin said:

It is interesting you want to help me, when you do not know me, so I say thank you, but no thank you.

If you take a deep dive in to your self, maybe you see it is you that needs help?

I mean this is on the edge of normal behavior on a forum like this, like a Christian missionaries comes here to convert people who do not even know they should be converted in the first place.

Just a friendly heads up, it doesn't work that way.

There's nothing friendly about your behaviour. You aren't being honest and that's part of your problem.

Edge of normal behaviour? It's exactly what we were doing with @Cameroni . Giving advice based on the information given. You just don't like it when you are the subject, so I'll respect that. But it doesn't change the fact that you have that problem. It just demonstrates that you are vehemently opposed to dealing with it.

I'm happy to leave it there. Are you?

Back to the topic, I can only assume that the OP's 'girl' is super busy due to this thread. Every time I check, she has been online seconds ago. The OP must be devastated.

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25 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

There's nothing friendly about your behaviour. You aren't being honest and that's part of your problem.

Edge of normal behaviour? It's exactly what we were doing with @Cameroni . Giving advice based on the information given. You just don't like it when you are the subject, so I'll respect that. But it doesn't change the fact that you have that problem. It just demonstrates that you are vehemently opposed to dealing with it.

I'm happy to leave it there. Are you?

again, what you determine as friendly comes because you in your imagination think you can help people on a forum, who you think needs help, and then do not consider we have lived a long life with many experiences, and then a person with borderline personality wants to help you ?

To be honest there is nothing kind with your approach at all, and thats what you do not understand, and continuing to give you problems, because you do not want to back down, or you just do not understand you have to back down. You stepping over a line here, especially when you start messaging people to. Im not the only one here you having problem to help or continuously harass with your strange behavior thinking you are the one to help people online.

You asking for honesty? Again take a good look at yourself, and all the love you spread around you.

You do not own me anything and I do not own you anything. Just accept that, and move on

35 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

I'm happy to leave it there. Are you?

I guess this means that you wish to continue?

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

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again, what you determine as friendly comes because you in your imagination think you can help people on a forum, who you think needs help, and then do not consider we have lived a long life with many experiences, and then a person with borderline personality wants to help you ?

To be honest there is nothing kind with your approach at all, and thats what you do not understand, and continuing to give you problems, because you do not want to back down, or you just do not understand you have to back down. You stepping over a line here, especially when you start messaging people to. Im not the only one here you having problem to help or continuously harass with your strange behavior thinking you are the one to help people online.

You asking for honesty? Again take a good look at yourself, and all the love you spread around you.

You do not own me anything and I do not own you anything. Just accept that, and move on

Do you think it is normal that you are still raging about this and cannot let it go?

Of course I'm not going to back down from the truth. Are you insane? 😊

You are literally demonstrating everything that I have asserted in the first place, but you want me to back down. You have a warped view of reality.

I'm happy to drop the subject, but that doesn't change anything.

So, are you ready to move on or do you want to continue to discuss it? Please make a decision and then stick to it.

It's not the subject of this topic. so we can take it back to private messages. But then you freak out about that too.

My suggestion, is that you should either explore it or just stop writing about it. You are just making yourself mad, but not really moving forward.

So...stop or continue? You decide and let me know. I'm always ready to discuss. Either in complete confidence or on the open board. Kindness depends on your perception. I think that I am being kind. You see it differently. So I'm happy to stop. But then you continue raging, stating that I won't back down. 😊 That just might be yourself you are describing.

As for me, I took a look around and I see the results. People there for me. People giving me confirmation of my love and truth in real time. What do you want me to see?

2 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

I guess this means that you wish to continue?

Do you think it is normal that you are still raging about this and cannot let it go?

Of course I'm not going to back down from the truth. Are you insane? 😊

You are literally demonstrating everything that I have asserted in the first place, but you want me to back down. You have a warped view of reality.

I'm happy to drop the subject, but that doesn't change anything.

So, are you ready to move on or do you want to continue to discuss it? Please make a decision and then stick to it.

It's not the subject of this topic. so we can take it back to private messages. But then you freak out about that too.

My suggestion, is that you should either explore it or just stop writing about it. You are just making yourself mad, but not really moving forward.

So...stop or continue? You decide and let me know. I'm always ready to discuss. Either in complete confidence or on the open board.

As for me, I took a look around and I see the results. People there for me. People giving me confirmation of my love and truth in real time. What do you want me to see?

😁👏

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

😁👏

Eeek

It's actually a bit sad...

Anyone, let's move on.

They have these little avocados at the market. 120 baht per kg. Really creamy and tasty. I just put a little salad dressing in the holes and eat them just like that.

3 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Eeek

It's actually a bit sad...

Anyone, let's move on.

They have these little avocados at the market. 120 baht per kg. really creamy and tasty. I just put a little salad dressing in the holes and eat them just like that.

I hope you understand being a member of this forum and spending so much time as we do here, says something about all of us. So just let it be, there is war coming, and it will be long and cold! Prepare for it,

Just now, Hummin said:

I hope you understand being a member of this forum and spending so much time as we do here, says something about all of us. So just let it be, there is war coming, and it will be long and cold! Prepare for it,

I spend time here, as I don't have things to do outside all the time. So I can stimulate my brain with various issues. When I go outside, I interact with strangers and my friends.

Normal.

I'm prepared for it. I have true friends. We'll look after each other. Hopefully your family and friends will look out for you. That's the way love is.

I think you waste too much time and energy on trying to deflect. Ironic that you have dealt with extreme challenges externally, but cannot deal with what I described. It seems elementary, at least to me.

We all excel at different things I guess.

Poor Mr 1% earner is awfully quiet. Has his ego been shattered?

50 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Im not the only one here you having problem to help or continuously harass with your strange behavior thinking you are the one to help people online.

Possibly not helpful for me to point this out to you, but haven't you noticed that the person you mentioned has no problems with me at all. No arguments. No disagreements. Just normal.

I attribute that to the fact that he corrected course by himself. So there's no need for me to bring anything to his attention. Maybe time with his family helped with that. Sometimes you need your close people around to get you back on track.

I just say what I see. If you think that you don't need to take note of what I'm telling you, that's okay. But no need to get mad about it. I'm not trying to harm nor embarrass you.

10 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Poor Mr 1% earner is awfully quiet. Has his ego been shattered?

To be honest, you could see the guy was on the edge. Totally stressed out about his pipeline and not able to contemplate being alone. But he was going in the wrong direction. Demeaning himself with these women. Women that do not and cannot love him.

What else can we do for him, but to tell it as we see it?

I don't wish bad for the guy. It would be great if he could begin to respect himself and go on to demonstrate respect for the people around him.

A lot of the stuff was quite painful to read and many of us were simply incredulous. It's not a good path for him to tread. But, as always, it's up to the individual to decide which way to go.