10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Oh.. She's well into her 30's already...

She's 24. I saw her Thai ID card. Stop talking nonsense, Richard.

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, way to slim and slender. No man could be this slim. Plus I saw videos, it's a gorgeous woman.

The only downside are tattoos, on arm and chest. Minimal ones but still.

Killing a few minutes before I head out for our coffee date. Always fun, that new energy first meet.

No man could be this slim? Have you looked around Thailand and seen the average man? Hopefully this one isn't a liar, and that you aren't talking to other women while you're with her.

27 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No man could be this slim? Have you looked around Thailand and seen the average man? Hopefully this one isn't a liar, and that you aren't talking to other women while you're with her.

She's not Thai. She's European. And I can tell a woman from a man, thanks.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She's not Thai. She's European. And I can tell a woman from a man, thanks.

I didn't say she was Thai. I read what you wrote earlier. I'm sure you can tell the difference between a man and a woman. That was another's comment to you.

Well, the date with Strawberry blonde was a triumph. Lovely breakfast in the sun, on the river. Deep and meaningful conversation. Afterwards we went for a stroll in nature and some more good conversation. All in all the date was over 4 hours, so I was given a lot of time, which is a good sign.

Still very early days. I can see it'll be a lot of morning dates as she needs to work in the evening with her clients. Very cultured woman. Two university degrees. Incredibly well travelled.

Let's see where this goes.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Oh.. She's well into her 30's already...

She's 24. I saw her Thai ID card. Stop talking nonsense, Richard.

Yes.. I remember you writing that... you wrote a lot of things which turned out to be untrue.

You opened the thread saying she was 25 years old.

... and, in the land of Fake ID's from a girl who's lied about pretty much everything - you trust that ?

IF she is truly 24 - then there is some sympathy going her way - she must have had a very tough life, which is probably what makes her so mercenary.

Having a couple of kids early on probably takes its toll too..

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, the date with Strawberry blonde was a triumph. Lovely breakfast in the sun, on the river. Deep and meaningful conversation. Afterwards we went for a stroll in nature and some more good conversation. All in all the date was over 4 hours, so I was given a lot of time, which is a good sign.

Still very early days. I can see it'll be a lot of morning dates as she needs to work in the evening with her clients. Very cultured woman. Two university degrees. Incredibly well travelled.

Let's see where this goes.

This one sounds like a starter..

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yes.. I remember you writing that... you wrote a lot of things which turned out to be untrue.

You opened the thread saying she was 25 years old.

... and, in the land of Fake ID's from a girl who's lied about pretty much everything - you trust that ?

IF she is truly 24 - then there is some sympathy going her way - she must have had a very tough life, which is probably what makes her so mercenary.

Having a couple of kids early on probably takes its toll too..

You seem to live in some Jack Reacher novel, Fake ID? She's 24. Sometimes I said 25 as she'll be 25 the coming month. Why would I not trust her Thai ID?

Yah, she's had a really tough life, men throwing money at her, living life lounging on the beach on Phuket, pampered in Chiang Mai, sounds like hell..

She doesn't have any kids.

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

This one sounds like a starter..

She's what you would term a "quality woman". A very solid career, bit of an influencer in her country, highly intelligent. But she's had some bad experiences with men, so she's a bit careful now I think.

I do love her hair, she has this natural strawberry blonde hair, more blonde than strawberry. She's very slim, perhaps a touch too slim. Asks very interesting and smart questions. But no physicality of any kind.'

I also think she has a lot of male friends.

Bit of a diet particularity, does not eat meat, fish and chicken rarely, but mostly vegetables and fruits. Pilates. All that. You can't go to a steak house or Korean BBQ with her.

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

You seem to live in some Jack Reacher novel, Fake ID? She's 24. Sometimes I said 25 as she'll be 25 the coming month. Why would I not trust her Thai ID?

Yes - Fake ID - have you no idea how easy to get that is here.

A person cat-fishing could very easily lie about her age and have fake ID - kids do it all over the world just to get into bars... you think thats 'Jack Reacher' ??? no wonder you are so naive.....

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yah, she's had a really tough life, men throwing money at her, living life lounging on the beach on Phuket, pampered in Chiang Mai, sounds like hell..

You admit now that she has sex for money... thats a breakthrough.

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She doesn't have any kids.

That she has told you about yet - that will come out eventually.

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

You admit now that she has sex for money... thats a breakthrough.

That's not what I meant. She doesn't have sex for money. She does have sex to live rent free in Phuket sure. But she's more of a serial dater, she enters relationships with guys and then uses their resources. Whether it's living rent free, eating ree, getting money, the whole menu, but as a girlfriend. Not on "sex for money" basis as you keep implying. She's a serial dater. She's not a sex worker. Though admittedly, she's very close to that line.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

That's not what I meant. She doesn't have sex for money. She does have sex to live rent free in Phuket sure. But she's more of a serial dater, she enters relationships with guys and then uses their resources. Whether it's living rent free, eating ree, getting money, the whole menu, but as a girlfriend. Not on "sex for money" basis as you keep implying. She's a serial dater. She's not a sex worker. Though admittedly, she's very close to that line.

You've spelled that incorrectly. Sows wild oats and sells the box. Cereal dater.

Why is she still trawling TF and everywhere else if she has you? 😊

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

That's not what I meant. She doesn't have sex for money. She does have sex to live rent free in Phuket sure. But she's more of a serial dater, she enters relationships with guys and then uses their resources. Whether it's living rent free, eating ree, getting money, the whole menu, but as a girlfriend. Not on "sex for money" basis as you keep implying. She's a serial dater.

'as a girl-friend' - what of these other guys she's meeting on Tinder ? what is she getting from those... IF the Austrian is giving her accommodation, food, and a salary in return for sex ???

She's only 'serial dating' them - not getting anything from them ?

The mental gymnastic you go through to polish the behavior of a hooker is hilarious.... you've managed to create so many subdivisions to avoid calling a spade a spade...

Perhaps... with the the guys from tinder... she 'temporarily dating them' by the hour.. and she needs 'taxi money' to go meet them...

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

She's not a sex worker. Though admittedly, she's very close to that line.

Oh how delusional you are - she's not just stepped over that line - she'd dancing (horizontal tango) on the other side and rubbing it in your face !!!...

She is the very description and embodiment of a 'sex worker'...

It doesn't sound lovely - but you don't get to change the description and polish that turd because you have feelings !!!...

Her decisions involve providing sex for a financial return - she fks for money - its just that simple.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

'as a girl-friend' - what of these other guys she's meeting on Tinder ? what is she getting from those... IF the Austrian is giving her accommodation, food, and a salary in return for sex ???

Well, some people go on dating apps out of boredom, to chat, to gauge their worth, and yes on the off chance some unicorn turns up.

From what I gather she spends a lot of time on TikTok, which means she must be bored out of her mind.

It's plausible she's adding a few guys from Tinder, chatting, but not meeting them.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

she fks for money - its just that simple.

Prove it.

My Truman horror show continues. Little Truman sent some dry texts. I then asked her what was the best thing that happened to you today? And she replies "talking to you". Even though our "conversation" was as dry as the Sahara. Then the very next text "I'm going to the beach now".

So again with the monster for 6 hours, having dinner, walking on the beach, sitting there and chatting. Building connection with the monster.

23 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

she fks for money - its just that simple.

Prove it.

You already have....

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

You already have....

No, I didn't.

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

My Truman horror show continues. Little Truman sent some dry texts. I then asked her what was the best thing that happened to you today? And she replies "talking to you". Even though our "conversation" was as dry as the Sahara. Then the very next text "I'm going to the beach now".

She's hardly going to be honest and tell you she's been getting railed by two arabs for 6000 baht !!!...

She's going to tell you want you want to hear - whats that ??... Oh... "talking to you !!!" - but she still doesn't want you go there !!! 🤣

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

So again with the monster for 6 hours, having dinner, walking on the beach, sitting there and chatting. Building connection with the monster.

Yup - walks on the beach, dinner - seems like a real monster....

He's such a monster she's begging you to go there now and take her away from him...

The good thing is I look with fondness now on BKK girl's betrayal. After she had her 10 days in Phuket she actually came back to me. I could find the video of her kissing the guy and just throw her out. There was no nastiness on her part. She left. She met me again. She'd never dream of going through my phone. Or telling me she wants to meet me whilst she lives with someone else for weeks.

A better experience of betrayal.

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

but she still doesn't want you go there !!!

No, she really wants me to come to Phuket. And even to get her a room, she doesn't want to live with the old guy.

But yah, I take the point, she could be lying about having a harem of arab clients. But no evidence for it really.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, I didn't.

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 - None of what you have written indicates she has sex for money ???? 🤥

So she's fking around because she wants to... on tinder and other dating app because she's bored...

Won't see you for two weeks because she's got to vote...

... and the money anyone gives her for sex is purely incidental - not because its negotiated... Got it !!!...

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, she really wants me to come to Phuket. And even to get her a room, she doesn't want to live with the old guy.

But yah, I take the point, she could be lying about having a harem of arab clients. But no evidence for it really.

Go there - then !!!

You won't because you know she'll ghost you when you get there.

Don't blame work - you can just as easily work there as you can in Chiang Mai.

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

None of what you have written indicates she has sex for money ????

At most, she's having sex for free accomodation, food and the possibility of a new phone. I actually tried getting out of her if Old Vienna gave her any money and if so how much. But it wasn't possible.

Even if he gives her money, he'd see it as an allowance for his gf though.

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Won't see you for two weeks because she's got to vote...

She says she'll see me now, if I go to Phuket.

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

You won't because you know she'll ghost you when you get there.

She wouldn't ghost me. I'm not going there because I have work on.

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

She's a serial dater. She's not a sex worker. Though admittedly, she's very close to that line.

Serial dater. LOL. Sounds like a business model to me.

Sex work? Just a matter of definition and perhaps perception.

While the trade in Western countries is rather straightforward and hardcore with clearly stated services, time frames, and prices, it takes many forms in Asian countries. This ranges from brothels, soapies, barber shops, and massage places (which follow a similar model to that in Western countries) to beer bars, karaokes (mostly for Asians), freelancer bars etc., where there is more social interaction.

And since a few years—especially since corona—a lot of the business has moved online with dating apps etc.

There is a long tradition in Asia of having relationships based on material gains. Unlike the West with the Christian “sex is sin” idea, there is no such conception in Buddhism, and there has always been room for secondary wives, concubines, etc.

On one side, guys with enough money to finance several women; on the other side, girls from poor families whose only chance of getting out of poverty is to hook up with a wealthy sponsor.

It’s very much woven into the fabric of society. Thai men and Thai boyfriends have to pay and provide too. We farang are just lucky we are able to participate and are perceived as potential well-off sponsors.

It does not change anything about the mindset of the p4p girls, though.

There are girls who work hard, earn little money, and live their honest lives.

And then there are girls who venture out to meet guys with the goal of achieving a better income and standard of living, using their youth and attractive bodies in the process.

In the details there are many shades of grey. But regarding the basic choice it's pretty much black & white.

At least that’s the way I see it and have experienced it.

No judgment included.

Misjudging such a situation can be costly, though—financially as well as emotionally.

What do you think in general about the comparison between the likely thoughtful intellectual westernised confident wordly strawberry blonde you dated today versus the likely non - intellectual somewhat lazy fun non-threatening phuket girl.

One could be more challenging and could keep you on your toes morally and intellectually and could expect you to keep up a social agenda while the other will likely let you do your thing and not take you to task for much as long as you fund her and let her lay around and watch her tik tok.

8 minutes ago, mangkut70 said:

Thai men and Thai boyfriends have to pay and provide too.

Very, very true, and often overlooked by many.

8 minutes ago, mangkut70 said:

In the details there are many shades of grey.

Quite so. I think many girls in Thailand are tempted to sell their physical charms for money. Frankly it's a miracle not all do it. Since women like sex as much as men. But it is indeed a gray area, where serial dating is concerned. If a girl has a number of boyfriends in a row, and gets an allowance, is she just a normal woman living serial monogamy, or is she really trying to extract the most money from each male victim. Depends on a case by case basis I suspect.

9 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

What do you think in general about the comparison between the likely thoughtful intellectual westernised confident wordly strawberry blonde you dated today versus the likely non - intellectual somewhat lazy fun non-threatening phuket girl.

A very good question. Already the physical first impression is telling, these women are worlds apart. The strawberry blonde is in her late twenties, however, her appearance is reminiscent of someone more mature still. She carries herself with confidence, however, there is a standoffishness, a "hiding" of true self the way the intelligent often engage in.

Such a contrast to Phuket Girl who is a bundle of energy, a livewire inescapable field of energy which exudes danger and demands your attention.

In contrast, whilst Strawberry blonde talks a lot, and I do mean a lot, you feel like the words may be interesting, but there's so many you can't keep up. Again, much in contrast to Phuket Girl, who when she speaks speaks very few words loudly and with energy.

Having said that Strawberry blonde exudes a calm, self-satisfied happiness with life, believing the universe has blessed her, whereas Phuket Girl exudes the opposite, more of a lady in distress, always seeming in trouble somehow. Her BPD prevents her from exuding such happiness.

Strawberry blonde has travelled the world, North America, Europe, and more of Asia than I've even seen, and I've been in a lot of places. Phuket Girl doesn't have a passport and is still eager to see the world.

Strawberry blonde loves to go for walks, just like me. She's highly productive, when she's not working with clients she's producing social media content. A hard worker. Phuket Girl is lazy, doesn't want to go for walks, and has no real focus on anything except getting money from guys and providing for her family that way.

Phuket girl wants to go back to study at uni, but only graduated high school, but Strawberry blonde has two degrees. Yet it is Phuket girl who comes across as more intelligent, cunning and on point, bizarrely.

Strawberry blonde watches her diet, does not eat meat. Phuket girl eats literally everything, with total disregard for health rules.

In short, they are polar opposites, and could not be more different. Will be interesting if that's the case sexually as well.

19 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

One could be more challenging and could keep you on your toes morally and intellectually and could expect you to keep up a social agenda while the other will likely let you do your thing and not take you to task for much as long as you fund her and let her lay around and watch her tik tok.

I can tell you Phuket girl will keep me more on my toes at all times, without a doubt. Strawberry blonde seems mellow and easy going.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Well, the date with Strawberry blonde was a triumph. Lovely breakfast in the sun, on the river. Deep and meaningful conversation. Afterwards we went for a stroll in nature and some more good conversation. All in all the date was over 4 hours, so I was given a lot of time, which is a good sign.

Still very early days. I can see it'll be a lot of morning dates as she needs to work in the evening with her clients. Very cultured woman. Two university degrees. Incredibly well travelled.

Let's see where this goes.

That's great to hear. So I guess on your next date you will take her to be tested for STDs, demand she delete her profile from all her dating apps, give you her FB login, and let you browse her phone. What a treat she's in for!!

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

But she's had some bad experiences with men, so she's a bit careful now I think.

Did you tell her about genital herpes?

20 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

That's great to hear. So I guess on your next date you will take her to be tested for STDs, demand she delete her profile from all her dating apps, give you her FB login, and let you browse her phone. What a treat she's in for!!

No, Strawberry blonde would be the kind of girl you can trust. When says A it's A I have a feeling. And she was very clear she wants a man to settle down with, so she would not be the kind to play games, particularly with her history.