9 hours ago, Rocky Sullivan said:

BS

 

 

You sound like an angry man.  I wonder if your childhood had anything to do with it.  Most people can relate to someone questioning the need to hit children as a means of disciplining them.  Tell me why it is BS?  Do you believe all parents should hit their kids periodically as a form of discipline?  

For certain the breakdown of society in the US is leading the way, and Australia, New Zealand and and a lot of the EU is not far behind. Those societies are dysfunctional on so many levels it is impossible to describe. 

 

From my point of view Thailand still seems relatively healthy, and people still seem relatively sane. They certainly do not appear to have caught the "Western decline disease" yet. 

21 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Are you noticing this change in Thailand?

Any more disrespectful breakdown of society just like the Western society 

You mean some of our more esteemed members of the forum.  Ya'll should see it from this side of the forum.  Scary at times.  

21 hours ago, Rocky Sullivan said:

Giving children a good old fashioned whipping when needed has benefits.

 

Those issues weren’t relevant growing up.

This was me, often.

 

 

Nailed it.

If I did wrong, the old boy gave me a harsh verble, when done mum would make me drop me strides and then repeatedly wrap the jug cord around me arse a few times.

Took a few years but I did learn in the end.

These days both my parents would be in jail if they did that.

The U.S. is probably the worst but it's quickly happening in Asia as well. Start with all this chemical laden junk food and it's literally a recipe for disaster. The young people become addicted and suffer huge mood swings for the rest of their lives. I've seen the breakdown of society here, in S. Korea, and in China but just a little in Japan and Vietnam. 

 

The rest of this century is going to be an absolute nightmare for billions of people around the globe.  

Could be many reasons.

 

Excessive Immigration from third world countries less used to the rule of law? People bringing in their lack of respect for law and order?

 

Making physical punishment of children illegal might lead to them thinking they can do as they like.

 

The internet, and accessing graphic images.

 

Staring at screens all day, and even all the chemicals that now surround us in our daily lives might be a contributing factor. All these synthetic drugs that are sold everywhere, frying people's brains.

 

Whatever it is, life seems more violent in general. Especially in the uK, where I come from.

23 hours ago, atpeace said:

Drama sells and we are now bombarded with the drama that is specifically catered to our beliefs. 

 

13 hours ago, atpeace said:

As for the criminal justice system, I wonder how many of the inmates were hit when they were young vs those that were not.  My hunch tells me most of the inmates were disciplined through pain.

 

Hey if you want to hurt your kid to teach them a lesson, have at it. Nothing I think will change your view and maybe it worked for you.

        There is plenty of drama here today, corporal punishment seems to be a very emotive subject, probably due in no small part to the way the lefty media like to present it,  There is a huge difference between administering a well deserved  disciplinary slap     and punching a child full in the face.  

        As to how many prison inmates were smacked as a kid I would suggest that would be age dependant. most of the older inmates 50+ would indeed have had a slap, as that was the norm in those days, for all kids.  My hunch tells me that  most of the younger ones in there were never disciplined at all

        

21 hours ago, BeastOfBodmin said:

I learned to pretend it hurt when my Dad gave me a very rare good hiding

           And  there we have it , corporal punishment as far as kids are concerned is not about inflicting real pain or injury upon them. If it goes that far then obviously a line has been crossed and it becomes "assault," a completely different matter   

          I took several hidings as a kid , all fully  deserved , as did all my mates, it never really actually  hurt or caused any lasting pain or injury , it was never actually intended to of course, of course  the numerous  warnings given out, prior to the slap, about what would happen if I didn't stop misbehaving, would always include phrases like "you won't be able to sit down for a week"  but the deterrent value of a threat is short lived with kids if it is never actually carried out

           So  the real purpose of the smack was not to inflict pain but really to basically shock the kid , the shouting and facial expressions that generally accompany the smack  were for the same purpose. It teaches them that not all threats are empty and certain behaviour has consequences.  Used in the right circumstances it is very effective.  

           Of course there are times when it is not appropriate, for example , something as trivial as "farting at the dinner table" would not warrant a slap, that would be far to severe, or strangling next doors cat, whilst hardly trivial  would be behavior indicative of serious psychological problems which would not be cured by a slap

           One example of when there is no better alternative, is when a kid, suddenly decides to run out into the road without warning and without looking ,  If the mother, visibly shocked, instinctively  grabs the kid and cracks him on the a$$ a few times whilst yelling at it about the danger, it is going to be shocked, and far less likely to do it again .  A lot more effective than sitting a 5 year old down and  trying to deliver a sombre lecture about road safety (something  the lefty teacher from "South Park" would do ) and which would be forgotten in seconds

           By its very nature corporal punishment should be used very sparingly  as it quickly loses its impact if overused,      Its use  should also be restricted to younger kids  slapping adolescents is a different matter again, they are old enough to know better  and if they don't , then one has failed as a parent

11 hours ago, Furioso said:

I've seen the breakdown of society here, in S. Korea, and in China but just a little in Japan and Vietnam. 

 

When I left Vietnam I felt positive about the youth there and where things were going for them. It's not a feeling I've gotten in the US, or even that much in Thailand.

Yes Thailand is changing too. When I first got here kids would stand up in Baht buses for women , the elderly and infirm. Not so now.Kids had a bit of respect then .Not all are disrespectful but there's more of the "young punk" type  around IMO. Traffic seems crazier and more easy to fly into a rage too.At least the idea of "Queuing" seems better now than before. 

20 hours ago, Dario said:

In my humble meaning this has all to do with the vaccins we were given against covid.

 

No it could never be the "safe and effectives"  😋

23 hours ago, connda said:

I just laughed it off.  My mother slapped me when I was 13.  I slapped her right back.  She went crying to my dad who did nothing.  That was the LAST time my mother attempted physical violence against me which she'd had been doing since I was very young.

If your father had any respect for your mother he would have slapped you into the next decade. 

4 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

 

        There is plenty of drama here today, corporal punishment seems to be a very emotive subject, probably due in no small part to the way the lefty media like to present it,  There is a huge difference between administering a well deserved  disciplinary slap     and punching a child full in the face.  

        As to how many prison inmates were smacked as a kid I would suggest that would be age dependant. most of the older inmates 50+ would indeed have had a slap, as that was the norm in those days, for all kids.  My hunch tells me that  most of the younger ones in there were never disciplined at all

        

           And  there we have it , corporal punishment as far as kids are concerned is not about inflicting real pain or injury upon them. If it goes that far then obviously a line has been crossed and it becomes "assault," a completely different matter   

          I took several hidings as a kid , all fully  deserved , as did all my mates, it never really actually  hurt or caused any lasting pain or injury , it was never actually intended to of course, of course  the numerous  warnings given out, prior to the slap, about what would happen if I didn't stop misbehaving, would always include phrases like "you won't be able to sit down for a week"  but the deterrent value of a threat is short lived with kids if it is never actually carried out

           So  the real purpose of the smack was not to inflict pain but really to basically shock the kid , the shouting and facial expressions that generally accompany the smack  were for the same purpose. It teaches them that not all threats are empty and certain behaviour has consequences.  Used in the right circumstances it is very effective.  

           Of course there are times when it is not appropriate, for example , something as trivial as "farting at the dinner table" would not warrant a slap, that would be far to severe, or strangling next doors cat, whilst hardly trivial  would be behavior indicative of serious psychological problems which would not be cured by a slap

           One example of when there is no better alternative, is when a kid, suddenly decides to run out into the road without warning and without looking ,  If the mother, visibly shocked, instinctively  grabs the kid and cracks him on the a$$ a few times whilst yelling at it about the danger, it is going to be shocked, and far less likely to do it again .  A lot more effective than sitting a 5 year old down and  trying to deliver a sombre lecture about road safety (something  the lefty teacher from "South Park" would do ) and which would be forgotten in seconds

           By its very nature corporal punishment should be used very sparingly  as it quickly loses its impact if overused,      Its use  should also be restricted to younger kids  slapping adolescents is a different matter again, they are old enough to know better  and if they don't , then one has failed as a parent

Agree with the above for the most part.  It's odd how all your mates had the occasional beatings. None of my mates ever mentioned being hit by their parent.  I'm a 58 yo American.   I think parenting became less physical when I was raised compare to someone 10 years older.  You would still see kids slapped in public whereas today that would be extremely offensive to many.

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Yes ,I had corporal punishment ,both at home and at school ,I think some

of those teachers were getting off on it ,the 'it's going to hurt me more than

you "  was bull<deleted> ,  but I think I deserved every canning ,

 

I did not turn into an Antisocial  ,murdering ,misfit ,criminal mastermind ,

the kids today have no respect  for their elders ,they would rather mug

them for their pensions, in my days Police were respected ,he caught you

doing something not serious , you got a clip around the ear and a kick up the arse.today the police could end up getting stabbed .

 

Then there's the parents , too busy on their phones ,no structure in the family,

civilization , in the West anyway seems to be in a decline ...

 

regards worgeordie 

 

 

 

Europe is anycase on the path to a stady breakdown, Thanks to all the leftist, woke, environmentalists and other trouble makers. Same with much of the other western nations where the basic family values and societal codes are being demolished by all the wokes and Co,. Sorry, no offense, but it's the rule of nature and evolution that is being destroyed ultimately. 

21 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

From my point of view Thailand still seems relatively healthy, and people still seem relatively sane. They certainly do not appear to have caught the "Western decline disease" yet.

 

Look around you!  Thai culture has been decimated.

 

Replaced with the worst of Western consumer culture, car-culture, materialism, over-regulation.  Add the tourism catering to <deleted>e cultures like those of Russia, India, and China.  Sad to say but it's all but over for Thailand.

 

Sure there are tiny pockets of authentic Thai culture hanging on for dear life  God bless 'em and I wish them well..

What is that breakdown - 3rd wave feminism ?

5 hours ago, Lee65 said:

 

Look around you!  Thai culture has been decimated.

 

Replaced with the worst of Western consumer culture, car-culture, materialism, over-regulation.  Add the tourism catering to <deleted>e cultures like those of Russia, India, and China.  Sad to say but it's all but over for Thailand.

 

Sure there are tiny pockets of authentic Thai culture hanging on for dear life  God bless 'em and I wish them well..

I could not possibly disagree more adamantly. I find the Thai people delightful, though they are materialistic and they do love money, so does everybody else!

 

I think their light-hearted Ness, their sense of humor, their their sense of playfulness, their kindness, and their mutual respect absolutely shines, and I have nothing but admiration and respect for the vast majority of the Thai people. 

 

They still have a lot of what the Western world has almost completely lost. 

Unfortunately the Philippines have no respect,no discipline 

people are aggressive  young people no respect 

Ironic really - the OP talks about a lack of respect for others, and then goes on to refer to the radio presenter as a " plum in the mouth academic"!

57 minutes ago, JAG said:

Ironic really - the OP talks about a lack of respect for others, and then goes on to refer to the radio presenter as a " plum in the mouth academic"!

oh absolutely shocking !

Hypocrisy at it's best dear Watson....block him I say !

On 11/7/2025 at 1:54 PM, connda said:

I just laughed it off.  My mother slapped me when I was 13.  I slapped her right back.  She went crying to my dad who did nothing.  That was the LAST time my mother attempted physical violence against me which she'd had been doing since I was very young.

Funny you should mention that - it brought to mind my six foot four inch father hitting me at about age 17 - and for the very first time I reflexively slugged him back. That stunned him and he never tried to hit me again. Of course he was around 60 so we were more evenly matched than was the case previously.

18 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Yes ,I had corporal punishment ,both at home and at school ,I think some

of those teachers were getting off on it ,the 'it's going to hurt me more than

you "  was bull<deleted> ,  but I think I deserved every canning ,

 

I did not turn into an Antisocial  ,murdering ,misfit ,criminal mastermind ,

the kids today have no respect  for their elders ,they would rather mug

them for their pensions, in my days Police were respected ,he caught you

doing something not serious , you got a clip around the ear and a kick up the arse.today the police could end up getting stabbed .

 

Then there's the parents , too busy on their phones ,no structure in the family,

civilization , in the West anyway seems to be in a decline ...

 

regards worgeordie 

 

 

 

As one who instructed "intercultural communication" for six years, I've given this considerable thought. Part of the phenomenon undoubtedly derives from the yawning chasm of values that sees many kids just poised to escape home at soon as they turn 18 (or other majority age) as they share absolutely nothing in common with their parents (or often their community). I tried - but not very earnestly - to accommodate the values of my conservative military East Texas parents but never considered making a miserable life just to attempt to adhere to their plans and dreams for me - which would have been the way a young person would have done it in Asia or parts of Europe. 

 

The despair of youth, looking around at the opulence enjoyed by a elder generation while sharply aware that their employment opportunities or private lives will never be as comfortable and secure, is sinking in around the developed world: the Chinese "lay down flat" syndrome, hikikomori in Japan, sullen, resentful Euros, Australians, Canadians and Americans ...

 

I also point to global birth rates careening downward as another bit of evidence that youth does not care to share the same familial values. Catholic Italy, conservative Japan and Korea, white Americans and Canadians are not making enough babies to maintain the population, which is either a good thing or not, depending on your attitude toward modern civilization.  

On 11/7/2025 at 3:21 AM, Dario said:

In my humble meaning this has all to do with the vaccins we were given against covid. Humanity hasn't ever changed so much ever before. Also healthwise. many strange things have happened all over this planet.

 

It mostly the damn juice they injected in every soul since 2020, turned their brain to porridge.

 

Also I would blame the gansta rap music, Tik Tok and Taylor Swift, all devil puppets.

Ah yes, the classic “I was hit and I turned out fine” defense... says adults who think violence teaches discipline. Reality: violence teaches violence. Somehow, current violence is 'justified' because of previous violence... seriously?
 

And, nothing screams “I’m perfectly well-adjusted” like proudly defending child assault because you can’t imagine parenting without caveman tactics. Intelligent/caring parents use consequences, loss of privileges or... and here's a wild idea... communication. You know, methods that actually build respect instead of trauma.

4 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

oh absolutely shocking !

Hypocrisy at it's best dear Watson....block him I say !

If you don't get it then that probably rather confirms what many of us rather suspect!

On 11/8/2025 at 12:12 PM, findlay13 said:

Yes Thailand is changing too. When I first got here kids would stand up in Baht buses for women , the elderly and infirm. Not so now.Kids had a bit of respect then .Not all are disrespectful but there's more of the "young punk" type  around IMO. Traffic seems crazier and more easy to fly into a rage too.At least the idea of "Queuing" seems better now than before. 

In the 90s and 00s, women would stand up for kids on buses.

15 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I could not possibly disagree more adamantly. I find the Thai people delightful, though they are materialistic and they do love money, so does everybody else!

 

I think their light-hearted Ness, their sense of humor, their their sense of playfulness, their kindness, and their mutual respect absolutely shines, and I have nothing but admiration and respect for the vast majority of the Thai people. 

 

They still have a lot of what the Western world has almost completely lost. 

 

Your response has near zero to do with my post.  

Yes it has, but Asia just does the increase authoritarianism but hide it behind BS nationalist statements MO due to most of the polutlation being hopelessly brainwashed... they are all at it as they are broke. The sheeple with fall for it, but the ones who see it it will get their money out and bail.

On 11/8/2025 at 3:46 PM, georgegeorgia said:

Unfortunately the Philippines have no respect,no discipline 

people are aggressive  young people no respect 

 

So you ruled out Philipines and Pattaya for retirement?