On 12/11/2025 at 10:36 AM, mordothailand said:

i just vote with my feet, alho my gf would have had final say

that's cutting off your nose to spite your face

On 12/17/2025 at 4:29 AM, Cliffo said:

My younger Thai stepson who has only a Thai passport and has only ever been out of Thailand for two weeks of his life was charged farang price going onto Kho Samet because he has lighter skin. The lady at the counter was having none of it! It is racist!

Yes, this is, of course, pure nonsense. All Thais have to carry ID – and that is all he needs.

On 12/17/2025 at 4:34 AM, Harsh Jones said:

New Fee Structure for Non-U.S. Residents (Effective Jan 1, 2026)

• Annual Pass Price: The "America the Beautiful" annual pass will increase to $250 USD for non-residents, while remaining at $80 USD for U.S. citizens and permanent residents. This pass provides entry into all national parks and federal recreational lands for 12 months.

• Per-Visit Surcharge: At 11 of the most popular national parks, a $100 USD per-person surcharge will be added on top of the standard entrance fee for non-residents aged 16 and older who do not have the non-resident annual pass.

This is similar to the Thai system and is equally stupid...however, in the States it will eventually be abandoned, as officials are not protected by Kraeng Jai. It certainly in no way mitigates or justifies the Thai dual pricing factor of TEN in their national parks as opposed to a factor of THREE in the US.

Dual pricing in Thailand is not racism — it applies to all foreigners, regardless of skin colour or background. Your anecdote is just one guard making a mistake, not proof of “systemic racial profiling.”

The real issue isn’t race, it’s bad economics and bad management. Fees are set arbitrarily, the surcharges are excessive, and the system deters visitors while bringing little real benefit to the parks. Calling it racism just muddies the waters and weakens the case for reform.

On 2/7/2026 at 1:37 AM, kwilco said:

Yes, this is, of course, pure nonsense. All Thais have to carry ID – and that is all he needs.

Showed that. She didn't care! Now tell me what you think!

2 hours ago, Cliffo said:

Showed that. She didn't care! Now tell me what you think!

I think your anecdote is apocryphal and irrelevant.

just take a step back and think what precisely is the point you are trying to make wirtth this story.

On 2/7/2026 at 2:07 AM, kwilco said:

Yes, this is, of course, pure nonsense. All Thais have to carry ID – and that is all he needs.

Correct. Given that he is this man's "stepson" it implies he's a "full-blooded" Thai (which could mean anything, he could be part or full-blooded ethnic Chinese) but I do find it strange that he wasn't immediately given the Thai price, but to remove any doubt, a Thai ID card or passport could be shown.

On 2/10/2026 at 2:36 PM, Cliffo said:

Showed that. She didn't care! Now tell me what you think!

Nonsense. That's illegal. You could have called the police if that had happened. If your stepson is a Thai citizen (and presumably also, full-blooded Thai) then any doubts could be alleviated by showing a Thai citizen ID card or other proof of Thai citizenship.

On 2/7/2026 at 2:16 AM, kwilco said:

This is similar to the Thai system and is equally stupid...however, in the States it will eventually be abandoned, as officials are not protected by Kraeng Jai. It certainly in no way mitigates or justifies the Thai dual pricing factor of TEN in their national parks as opposed to a factor of THREE in the US.

LOL. The new dual pricing system has just been introduced in the USA. It won't be abandoned...it will become PERMANENT. Just like dual pricing in Japan is now a widespread thing, a change from the pre-2024 years when it didn't exist. France and New Zealand, among others, are ALSO introducing dual pricing...in New Zealand, you could say it already exists in the form of a visitor fee of NZD 100 that doesn't apply to locals, Australian citizens or citizens of some Pacific Island nations but applies to everyone else. There will also be a foreigner fee applied to several major national parks...mirroring the USA.

"Kreng jai"? What does that have to do with anything? Nothing...Thailand does dual pricing, because it can and given how many DEVELOPED countries have jumped on the bandwagon (Singapore began the practice about 10-15 years ago) a developing country like Thailand will never be incentivized to change...besides, they can continue justifying it due to much lower local wage levels, or the fact even developed countries are doing it.

On 12/18/2025 at 8:36 AM, Srikcir said:

Some attractions allow online ticket purchasing.

I have not seen dual pricing in such instance unless a foreign credit card is not accepted or Thai ID only is required.

Anyone been refused entry to a Thai attraction paid in advance online with foreign credit card?

No. Why would there be a difference based on the method of payment? How would they even know?

Generally, if there is dual pricing, you simply go to the THAI LANGUAGE page of that attraction. Once you've paid, you get in (usually with a QR code ticket or something similar). The ENGLISH or other foreign language page(s) of the website for that attraction may very well charge a higher rate.

The key is to use the Thai language version.

On 12/11/2025 at 8:01 PM, Dazinoz said:

Yep it was. Another farang and myself showed our Thai drivers licences. Only Thai ID accepted. I said this is a Thai ID and I used as IF for flying here. Just brushed me off. After visiting the pool I regretted paying the price as it was just not worth it. Never recommend it to anyone.

You're being deliberately disingeneous or you don't understand the concept of citizenship and nationality. A Thai driver's license doesn't confer Thai citizenship and therefore isn't a Thai ID. A Thai ID is a national ID card.

On 12/17/2025 at 9:27 AM, SAFETY FIRST said:

genuinely agree with dual pricing, why not. 

My salary, I earn 10 times that of a Thai, most foreigners earn much more than Thai's, foreigners should pay more . 

What about us poor Pensioners 'surviving' on UK SP of about Bht 35000 a month.

A better idea would be for the ticket vendors to ask to see your pay-slip or bank book/statement and let him decide how much to charge you. Ha ha ha.

On 12/17/2025 at 10:03 AM, The Old Bull said:

Kho Samed, they are checking ID now . Being brown is not enough so if you are from Laos , Burma or China you pay the top rate.

Excellent news and about time. I 1000% support this.

It's Thai vs foreigner pricing, not Asian vs farang pricing...the way it should be. Thai ID cards should ALWAYS be checked in order to confirm your entitlement. Therefore, freeloading Asian foreigners, who are FOREIGNERS (yes, this needs to be emphasized) pay what they should, which is the foreigner rate. After all, if they're not Thai, it makes them foreigners and they have no right to get in at a lower rate.

Otherwise, it is clearly a racist exercise that targets white people. Fortunately, in this case, all foreigners are being told to pay the foreigner rate.

The worst thing for me is when an Asian foreigner gets treated better because of their race...I can accept Thai vs foreigner pricing as long as it's fair - that is, when anyone who enters an attraction or business that differentiates between foreigners and locals, has to show a citizen ID card and if they don't have one, pay the foreigner rate. That's fair and the way it should be. It's also the way it's always been done in Malaysia. "MyKad/MyKid" cards (their term for citizen IDs) MUST be shown to receive the lower Malaysian rate. Otherwise, you pay the foreigner rate.

On 12/17/2025 at 9:04 AM, garzhe said:

I have a Thai ID card (Pink card for foreigners)  That's frequently met with "Cannot, you farang"

Well, because it's NOT a Thai ID card. You have a NON-CITIZEN ID as the card simply says. Why don't you get that into your thick skull?

When there's dual pricing, it's Thai vs foreign pricing. NOT Thai and non-Thais holding a pink card vs foreigners who don't have one.

On 12/17/2025 at 10:14 AM, angryguy said:

The reason why thailand needs to start respecting the tourist is because their economy is dependent on tourism. People arent stupid. Eventually they will catch on and thailand wont get them back, and then there goes thailands economy

It isn't dependent upon tourism. Stop acting so entitled.

On 2/7/2026 at 2:17 AM, kwilco said:

Dual pricing in Thailand is not racism — it applies to all foreigners, regardless of skin colour or background. Your anecdote is just one guard making a mistake, not proof of “systemic racial profiling.”

The real issue isn’t race, it’s bad economics and bad management. Fees are set arbitrarily, the surcharges are excessive, and the system deters visitors while bringing little real benefit to the parks. Calling it racism just muddies the waters and weakens the case for reform.

Nonsense.

Although it is slowly changing, until recently, some dual pricing venues, particularly in provincial areas, which receive few foreigners, an Asian foreigner could get in for the Thai rate without showing ID. Yet a westerner heading to the same attraction often wouldn't be able to without showing Thai ID (meaning a Thai ID card or passport). That is racist.

Thankfully, with Koh Samed now checking IDs and the Grand Palace definitely ensuring only those who are actually Thai get in for free, we could soon see Thailand adopting the Malaysian system of demanding to see Thai ID cards of anyone who says they're Thai, to get in for the Thai rate.

In any case, there won't be any reform, given that several developed countries have now introduced dual pricing or are about to. This strengthens Thailand's case to continue the practice and even expand it (which it continues to do...I know of at least one attraction that introduced dual pricing last June, which was previously free to all).

On 12/17/2025 at 9:27 AM, SAFETY FIRST said:

I genuinely agree with dual pricing, why not. 

My salary, I earn 10 times that of a Thai, most foreigners earn much more than Thai's, foreigners should pay more . 

How about the Thai rich. Should they pay the same as a poor Thai labourer up in Isaan? Dual pricing is racism.

The dual thing is a thing 🙄

Thais have land and houses in the UK and USA (can't comment on others). Foreigners cannot own land and houses here.

Thais have a straightforward path to permanent residency & citizenship, unlike foreigners in Thailand.

Thais living in the UK can have free healthcare. Foreigners in Thailand cannot.

Thais have freedom to work in the UK in almost any job with a working visa. Thailand limits what jobs foreigners can do e.g. no farming.

Thais living in the UK can get welfare benefits, foreigners in Thailand cannot.

The UK provides protections that Thailand does not give foreigners, such as: Anti‑discrimination laws; Labor protections (minimum wage, unfair dismissal laws)

Tenant rights; Legal access to most public services. Forget this in Thailand.

Summary

Area	Thais in UK	Foreigners in Thailand
Permanent residency	Realistic path (ILR)	Extremely difficult
Citizenship	Achievable	Almost impossible
Public healthcare	NHS access	No public healthcare
Work rights	Broad	Highly restricted
Benefits & welfare	Possible	No access
Government jobs	Some non-sensitive roles	None

13 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Thais have land and houses in the UK and USA (can't comment on others). Foreigners cannot own land and houses here.

Yes, our countries are doomed due to the woke, lefties, allowing foreigners equality.

I love the Thai methods, very smart non-woke, on the right, people. ♥️

On a negative, I'd like to see the Thai government taking care of the unmarried mothers etc., welfare/social security for single mothers, too many fathers abandoning their newborns.

25 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Yes, our countries are doomed due to the woke, lefties, allowing foreigners equality.

I love the Thai methods, very smart non-woke, on the right, people. ♥️

On a negative, I'd like to see the Thai government taking care of the unmarried mothers etc., welfare/social security for single mothers, too many fathers abandoning their newborns.

Why not turn Thailand into our home countries?

Then the women would all refuse us sex (just like home)

And we wouldn't be living here any more.

41 minutes ago, Purdey said:

The dual thing is a thing 🙄

Thais have land and houses in the UK and USA (can't comment on others). Foreigners cannot own land and houses here.

Thais have a straightforward path to permanent residency & citizenship, unlike foreigners in Thailand.

Thais living in the UK can have free healthcare. Foreigners in Thailand cannot.

Thais have freedom to work in the UK in almost any job with a working visa. Thailand limits what jobs foreigners can do e.g. no farming.

Thais living in the UK can get welfare benefits, foreigners in Thailand cannot.

The UK provides protections that Thailand does not give foreigners, such as: Anti‑discrimination laws; Labor protections (minimum wage, unfair dismissal laws)

Tenant rights; Legal access to most public services. Forget this in Thailand.

Summary

Area	Thais in UK	Foreigners in Thailand
Permanent residency	Realistic path (ILR)	Extremely difficult
Citizenship	Achievable	Almost impossible
Public healthcare	NHS access	No public healthcare
Work rights	Broad	Highly restricted
Benefits & welfare	Possible	No access
Government jobs	Some non-sensitive roles	None

The obvious error is 'Foreigners in Thailand'

Which should be 'Male foreigners in Thailand'

As a foreign woman married to a Thai man can get Thai citizenship with almost no effort in less than a year.

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Why not turn Thailand into our home countries?

Wow, Are you one of those strange woke, Lefty type people who want Thailand be like the West, changing everything that's in place for similar conditions to that of the West, NO THANKS.

If there was a welfare system in place we'd see less babies abandoned at birth, that's a good thing.

5 hours ago, highrider said:

Nonsense.

Although it is slowly changing, until recently, some dual pricing venues, particularly in provincial areas, which receive few foreigners, an Asian foreigner could get in for the Thai rate without showing ID. Yet a westerner heading to the same attraction often wouldn't be able to without showing Thai ID (meaning a Thai ID card or passport). That is racist.

Thankfully, with Koh Samed now checking IDs and the Grand Palace definitely ensuring only those who are actually Thai get in for free, we could soon see Thailand adopting the Malaysian system of demanding to see Thai ID cards of anyone who says they're Thai, to get in for the Thai rate.

In any case, there won't be any reform, given that several developed countries have now introduced dual pricing or are about to. This strengthens Thailand's case to continue the practice and even expand it (which it continues to do...I know of at least one attraction that introduced dual pricing last June, which was previously free to all).

all you are doing is using a naive interpretation of racism as espoused by a few illiterate staff – the policy is not racist. It is an easy get out for racists to cite this crap, but it is just a symptom of racisist "black people can be racist too" cliche

On 12/17/2025 at 11:25 AM, alanrchase said:

Agreed. As of January 1 2026 the US is introducing dual pricing at several National Parks. I believe it is a B3,000 ($100 US)  per person surcharge on top of what residents pay. 

Who cares? Nobody goes to the US now

Those claiming racism... what is your conclusion? How does it justify or mitigates the problem?

In fact the comment is just deflection...the only thing it adds to the debate is to show how dumb you are.

On 12/17/2025 at 8:53 AM, SAFETY FIRST said:

I received over 50 thumbs down on the previous Dual pricing thread because I said that I agreed with it. 

 

I gave you a thumbs down just because they have no power !

I agree with you 100% and for what its worth, its been around since before any of us were born. not a big deal

On 2/18/2026 at 1:14 PM, still kicking said:

Who cares? Nobody goes to the US now

77 million people tend to disagree with you.......

On 12/17/2025 at 2:43 AM, richard_smith237 said:

Your salary is not 10x most of the Thai’s I know

Yeah yeah yeah, so you keep telling us about your 'well to do' Thai friends ( policeman ) that you have to call when you cannot deal with things yourself in your perfect Thai life....yawn!