Trump believes the EU is run by an unelected dictatorship of elites.

 

Wants to return the continent to nation states and deal with states on an individual basis. 

 

 

 

Trump's security strategy makes clear he is trying to 'break' the European Union

 

Trump will use tariffs to manipulate countries to exit the EU ??

Not sure. 

 

14 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

EU is run by an unelected dictatorship of elites.

Does anyone not know this still? No legitimate elections happen anywhere anymore. Only USA

6 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Does anyone not know this still? No legitimate elections happen anywhere anymore. Only USA

There are elections to the EU Parliament by universal suffrage every 5 years. It's the biggest democratic election in the world after India.

Currently another 9 countries are waiting to join the EU.

Of course Trump, along with Putin, wants to destroy the EU. It's an economic power bloc. Him and his side kick, the ketamine addicted Musk, will pour money into right wing groups in an attempt to destabilise it but I think they will fail.

No political group within the EU wants to leave, they know the economic benefits.

 

EurEurops doomed

Putin wants to break up the EU. And Trump does Putin’s bidding … probably because the Kremlin have Kompromat on Trump that would finish him, even with his base. 

EU policy is agree with our principles or you will be punished. 

 

 

Sounds very Democratic does it not? All opinions are welcome as long as they align with our opinions.

Ha. The EU doesn't need Trumps help. Their debt bubble will be like a nuclear happening when it blows sky high. Most of the rats will be leaving and the rest will drown.

Well, Germany alone destroyed the Eurozone I would at least kick them out. 

42 minutes ago, bannork said:

There are elections to the EU Parliament by universal suffrage every 5 years. It's the biggest democratic election in the world after India.

 

42 minutes ago, bannork said:

No political group within the EU wants to leave, they know the economic benefits.

 

Not entirely true, the EU parliament has limited authority to make laws and decide and direct policies. Much of that power lies with the (being generous) "indirectly elected", but really appointed, Commisioners.

 

There are many political groups within the EU who certainly want to change that, some who want to leave. At the risk of whipping up a "<deleted> storm" that is to a very large extent what drove the UK to vote to leave!

 

Both Putin and Trump want to destroy the EU, because they calculate that they can better influence (bully) separate states militarily and economically. 

Of course Trump wants the EU dead, so his boss Putin can take over.

 

Just like he want most of the Arabic Middle East to collapse, so his Zionist friends can take over and sell the USA cheap oil.

8 minutes ago, JAG said:

 

At the risk of whipping up a "<deleted> storm" that is to a very large extent what drove the UK to vote to leave!

 

 

 

Utter nonsense. 

 

The UK population were fed of bunch of lies about the rainbows and prosperity that awaited once they left the EU. Their racist gene was pandered and massaged with pathetic declarations. There has been not a single benefit of leaving the EU. The economy has performed poorly compared to pre Brexit, the UK has no influence over any foreign policy, the trade deals they have secured are just the same old ones carried over from the EU. The much vaunted trade deals with America and India are pathetic and barely touch anything like the free trade deal we had with Europe. Which country self harms it's own trade deals ?

 

I dare an educated Brit point to me one benefit of Brexit. JUST ONE. 

 

The racist Brits in Thailand damaged themselves by seeing the collapse of their currency. 

 

The country keeps afloat by running the can down the road, by borrowing so massively that the country is back in deficit with massive borrowings. One day that borrowing will have to stop and then the harsh reality will hit the spoilt population. But that will ironically only fuel more racism - years and years of underfunding education by the Conservative government has seen a rise of really thick people that are easily manipulated. 

 

You think the dim population has learnt? Nope. Literally the guy who was the architect of Brexit is now leading the UK polls. The labour government terrified to raise Brexit again, or at least attempt to sort out the mess. Sometimes countries deserve what they get. 

 

 

 

The UK once a great power on the world stage, is now just a country on the wane. Only think you can hope is the governments keep the wane slow. 

 

 

54 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Putin wants to break up the EU. And Trump does Putin’s bidding … probably because the Kremlin have Kompromat on Trump that would finish him, even with his base. 

Does this "Kompromat on Trump" have anything to do with golden showers? In a bed Obama slept in? By a hooker?

 

Jesus its mental how the forum left keep on pushing the conspiracies in their beloved fairy tale Steele dossier paid for by Hillary(who will be having a VERY bad day today)

🤣

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

EU policy is agree with our principles or you will be punished. 

 

 

Sounds very Democratic does it not? All opinions are welcome as long as they align with our opinions.

And what is the relevance of this person's opinions to the EU? Is he an EU official? Is he a member of the MEP?

And here I thought trump only wanted to destroy the USA.

To date, he's done a fine job of it, daily destruction everywhere, with very little building up!

Frankly, I prefer a leader who builds rather than destroys.

I prefer a leader with a plan to help raise Americans out of poverty level.

I prefer a leader with a plan to help Americans with a good health plan.

Hell, I prefer a leader.

We don't have one.

30 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And what is the relevance of this person's opinions to the EU? Is he an EU official? Is he a member of the MEP?

 

You stole my thunder. Anyway, the answers to your questions are:

 

1) No direct relevance

2) No

3) No

47 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And what is the relevance of this person's opinions to the EU? Is he an EU official? Is he a member of the MEP?

He is a European A member of the EU population. He holds views. Now I don't know how widely they are supported, I think and hope that certainly the more frothy mouthed of them are not widely held. If they do have support he may end up as an MEP. He is entitled to hold and express views, however nasty (and I personally think many of them are). They rather refutes the point @bannork made: "No political group within the EU wants to leave, they know the economic benefits."

 

As for @DonniePeverley's remarkable rant - one of the prime movers behind many of those (myself included) deciding, (in my case reluctantly) that we wished to leave the EU was that the whole debate was permeated by us being told that we were thick, racist, gammon, poorly educated, unfit to make a decision and so forth; it became quite personal at times!

 

Incidentally I think that I am reasonably educated. I speak two European languages and spent much of my professional life working on and with the continent; I travelled widely throughout the continent both as part of my work and for leisure. My objection to the EU was that I saw it as a putative supranational state, with inadequate parliamentary and political safeguards. That view was, for me confirmed, when the Cameron government proposed reforms and limits to the centralisation of powers, really to introduce such safeguards, and was told by unelected Commisioners to shut up, get back in it's box and bugger off!

 

At the risk of veering further off topic I would suggest that "Brexit" was hampered by a mixture  of incompetence, a refusal to accept the view of the people on the matter by many within our political class (which extended beyond the result of the referendum and into the subsequent European and  General Elections), compounded by an element of "Britain must be punished" from some European authorities. That last has rather been superceded by the actions of Putin's Russia in invading Ukraine and threatening other European countries.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Trump believes the EU is run by an unelected dictatorship of elites.

 

Wants to return the continent to nation states and deal with states on an individual basis. 

 

 

 

All the dictators want to brake up Europe. XI, Putin and Trump doing their best, but at same time they need Europe, what a mess

Putin wants to break up the EU.  DT is running the errand for him.  That's all there is to it.

 

Not to divert, but on the subject of Xi DT just ok'd a big arms endowment to Taiwan.  I find this curious.

 

 

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Trump believes the EU is run by an unelected dictatorship of elites.

 

Wants to return the continent to nation states and deal with states on an individual basis. 

 

 

 

 

And how is it any of Trump's business how the EU is run?

Take note, I said HOW not WHO

What the hell happened to the European man that he thought his life wasn't governed enough and he needed a new government to govern his national government.

 

Do these men even wipe their own assess without requesting permission from the government? No wonder the continent has been invaded and is slowly being conquered. What a pity, I hope it turns around with the next generation.

8 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

And how is it any of Trump's business how the EU is run?

Take note, I said HOW not WHO

 

good point.

 

2 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

Utter nonsense. 

 

The UK population were fed of bunch of lies about the rainbows and prosperity that awaited once they left the EU. Their racist gene was pandered and massaged with pathetic declarations. There has been not a single benefit of leaving the EU. The economy has performed poorly compared to pre Brexit, the UK has no influence over any foreign policy, the trade deals they have secured are just the same old ones carried over from the EU. The much vaunted trade deals with America and India are pathetic and barely touch anything like the free trade deal we had with Europe. Which country self harms it's own trade deals ?

 

I dare an educated Brit point to me one benefit of Brexit. JUST ONE. 

 

The racist Brits in Thailand damaged themselves by seeing the collapse of their currency. 

 

The country keeps afloat by running the can down the road, by borrowing so massively that the country is back in deficit with massive borrowings. One day that borrowing will have to stop and then the harsh reality will hit the spoilt population. But that will ironically only fuel more racism - years and years of underfunding education by the Conservative government has seen a rise of really thick people that are easily manipulated. 

 

You think the dim population has learnt? Nope. Literally the guy who was the architect of Brexit is now leading the UK polls. The labour government terrified to raise Brexit again, or at least attempt to sort out the mess. Sometimes countries deserve what they get. 

 

 

 

The UK once a great power on the world stage, is now just a country on the wane. Only think you can hope is the governments keep the wane slow. 

 

 

Since Brexit, more migrants have been entering UK in small boats from France. Previously, when the UK was still in the EU, an asylum seeker who was rejected in one EU country would automatically be refused in any other. But now that the UK is outside the EU, those rejected applicants can try their luck again by heading to the UK.

2 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And what is the relevance of this person's opinions to the EU? Is he an EU official? Is he a member of the MEP?

My goodness.  That sounds a lot like that little Austrian-Hungarian guy with a funny mustache who had Slavs and other Utermench (inferior races) rounded up in cattle cars for permanent relocation in the East in the 1940s.  Gunther Fehlinger-Jahn seems to be a proponent of extending NATO right into Russia and absorbing The Russia Federation into a Greater Europe (look at the map).

 

Yep, that's very Fourth Reich rhetoric that is coming out of Mr. Fehlinger-Jahn's mouth.  Of course, when those of us who study historical Geo-politics brings the fact that post-Soviet Russian leaders were assured that NATO was not going "one inch to the East" in the 1990s, and then they end up on the Russian border arming and equipping the largest army in Europe (Ukraine), with the like of the head of EU Foreign Affairs, Kaja Kallas and her acolytes such as Gunther Fehlinger-Jahn and others in the European Union openly calling for the break-up of The Russian Federation (rosily termed "decolonization") - well?  That sort looks like a existential threat to the sovereignty of The Russian Federation as well as the "root cause" of the current conflict in Ukraine.

Then Mr. Fehling-Jahn spews racial hate like this toward all ethnic Russians whom he calls "Putinistas".  Yep, that sound exactly like the rhetoric from the guy with the funny mustache and his troops with their lightening collar adornments and red armbands from the 1930s up until their end in May 1945.  Then 80 years later, this same horror returns from a long, frosty sleep like the monster in "IT", and again there is talk about shipping undesirables East in cattle cars?  

The Russian Federation is never going to allow NATO or Europe to park troops in Ukraine, nor are they going to allow Ukraine of have a military force capable of threatening the borders of The Russian Federation again. And the war will end on the battlefield.....and this will end with Ukraine's military defeat and most likely the breakup of Ukraine's current government. That is the realities on the ground.  And hateful rhetoric by EU elites like Gunther Fehlinger-Jahn is exactly Russia's motivation to protect their own borders and ensure their own security by means of military force.
Of course, Mr. Fehlinger-Jahn and his friends would like people with my perspective placed in cattle cars and shipped East, as we all are now traitors to a Europe that is now becoming dangerously totalitarian in its rhetoric and proposed acts.

The sad thing is that after WW2, the USA urged Europe to unify, build the EU:
as a buffer against Sovjet-Union and as a business partner.
The Marshal plan helped rebuild Europe after WW2, next USA benefited greatly from a rebuilt, richer Europe. Realize that at this moment, the US stock market has the value of >65% of the combined value of the total world stock market value. A huge problem is INSIDE the USA; gap between low class and the 1% top.
Top 10% consume 50% of all consumer spending.
(Well, EU also got problems, sure.)
Another thing: Vance and Tump said Europe is losing their white, (Christian) identity because of mass immigration:
In USA < 65% is white... in Europe it is 85-90%.
(Pls, I am not a racist, just drawing your attention to what seems to be a problem for Trump and Vance.)

18 minutes ago, connda said:

By goodness.  That sounds a lot like that little Austrian-Hungarian guy with a funny mustache who had Slavs and other Utermench (inferior races) rounded up in cattle cars for permanent relocation in the East in the 1940s.  Gunther Fehlinger-Jahn seems to be a proponent of extending NATO right into Russia and absorbing The Russia Federation into a Greater Europe (look at the map).

 

Yep, that's very Fourth Reich rhetoric that is coming out of Mr. Fehlinger-Jahn's mouth.  Of course, when those of us who study historical Geo-politics brings the fact that post-Soviet Russian leaders were assured that NATO was not going "one inch to the East" in the 1990s, and then they end up on the Russian border arming and equipping the largest army in Europe (Ukraine), with the like of the head of EU Foreign Affairs, Kaja Kallas and her acolytes such as Gunther Fehlinger-Jahn and others in the European Union openly calling for the break-up of The Russian Federation (rosily termed "decolonization") - well?  That sort looks like a existential threat to the sovereignty of The Russian Federation as well as the "root cause" of the current conflict in Ukraine.

Then Mr. Fehling-Jahn spews racial hate like this toward all ethnic Russians whom he calls "Putinistas".  Yep, that sound exactly like the rhetoric from the guy with the funny mustache and his troops with their lightening collar adornments and red armbands from the 1930s up until their end in May 1945.  Then 80 years later, this same horror returns from a long, frosty sleep like the monster in "IT", and again there is talk about shipping undesirables East in cattle cars?  

The Russian Federation is never going to allow NATO or Europe to park troops in Ukraine, nor are they going to allow Ukraine of have a military force capable of threatening the borders of The Russian Federation again. And the war will end on the battlefield.....and this will end with Ukraine's military defeat and most likely the breakup of Ukraine's current government. That is the realities on the ground.  And hateful rhetoric by EU elites like Gunther Fehlinger-Jahn is exactly Russia's motivation to protect their own borders and ensure their own security by means of military force.
Of course, Mr. Fehlinger-Jahn and his friends would like people with my perspective placed in cattle cars and shipped East, as we all are now traitors to a Europe that is now becoming dangerously totalitarian in its rhetoric and proposed acts.

Thanks for not addressing the issue of why this extremist's post should even be taken notice of. He's not a member of any government. Labeling him as a member of the elite is just a dodge on your part. 

Of course your evasiveness isn't surprising. Whereas most people call it the Russian Ukraine war or the Russian invasion of Ukraine,in past posts elsewhere, you refer to it as "special military operation." This is Putin's Orwellian termindology. I can understand why Russian citizens refer to it that way: they could face jail time for saying what it really is. What's your excuse?

9 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Thanks for not addressing the issue of why this extremist's post should even be taken notice of. He's not a member of any government. Labeling him as a member of the elite is just a dodge on your part. 

Of course your evasiveness isn't surprising. Whereas most people call it the Russian Ukraine war or the Russian invasion of Ukraine,in past post elsewhere, you refer to it as "special military operation." This is Putin's Orwellian termindology. I can understand why Russian citizens refer to it that way: they could face jail time for saying what it really is. What's your excuse?

You seem to be intelligent enough.  So I find your feigned ignorance of where NGOs like Mr. Fehlinger-Jahns fits into EU governmental policy as rather disingenuous. 

4 hours ago, angryguy said:

Does anyone not know this still? No legitimate elections happen anywhere anymore. Only USA

BS, of course! 🤣

1 hour ago, connda said:

You seem to be intelligent enough.  So I find your feigned ignorance of where NGOs like Mr. Fehlinger-Jahns fits into EU governmental policy as rather disingenuous. 

Not feigned ignorance. Share with all of us how Fehlinger's NGO fits into EU governmental policy. Have the governments of any EU country espoused his bigoted  extremist proposals? 

And still no answer as to why you use a sanitized phrase authorized by Putin for the Russian invasion of Ukraine instead of what it really is: an invasion and a war.