9 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Perhaps more accurately Darwin in action?

Protesters feel they are immune to the consequences of their actions. I guess, given the track record of various levels of government in prosecuting their behavior, they may have a point. It's really very simple though. When a person, as a driver, is given a legal order to stop their vehicle and get out, they have to obey. If they don't, then whatever happens afterwards is at least partially their own fault.

I heard a guy explaining this process.

In school girls don't play rough and tumble games, all their lives they are protected from violence by men, so they don't understand the risk a man pointing a gun at them is to their lives. 40 years of middle class life gives women the belief they are invulnerable.

While men learn early that violence escalates very quickly, and provoking a man pointing a gun at you may result in death.

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I heard a guy explaining this process.

In school girls don't play rough and tumble games, all their lives they are protected from violence by men, so they don't understand the risk a man pointing a gun at them is to their lives.

While men learn early that violence escalates very quickly, and provoking a man pointing a gun at you may result in death.

Very true. Women sometimes feel immune from consequences, like they can slap a guy in a bar and fully expect to not get slapped back. Or shout and resist police without repercussions. They are coddled beyond belief.

Another logical disconnect;

Protesters constantly call the agents "Nazi", "Gestapo", "Thug" etc. Yet at the same time, they feel safe enough to get in their faces, yell at them, throw things at them, etc. Do you honestly think that genuine Nazi/Gestapo/Thugs would put up with that? Or would they put you on or in the ground within a heartbeat.

Being able to shout "Nazi thug!" at someone and not have your ass beat is proof that they are not a Nazi thug.

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19 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

"Legal outcomes don't dictate morality."

Exactly.

The question is, in the everyday sense of the word, not the technical legal jargon,

was it a murder.

An unnecessary, avoidable, immoral killing - which is what the word murder describes.

No, even in the everyday sense, Renee Good's killing wasn't "murder"—it was a tragic but justifiable use of force in a tense, seconds-long standoff where she ignored orders to exit, accelerated her SUV forward amid taunts from her wife, prompting the agent's "Whoa!" shout and defensive shots as he dodged.

While avoidable in hindsight (e.g., better de-escalation), the video evidence shows no malice or immorality—just a reasonable fear of imminent harm from a vehicle in motion, aligning with self-defense rather than unnecessary killing.

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

"Legal outcomes don't dictate morality."

Exactly.

The question is, in the everyday sense of the word, not the technical legal jargon,

was it a murder.

An unnecessary, avoidable, immoral killing - which is what the word murder describes.

Everything is avoidable in retrospect.

Introspect, the women would have stayed home that day.

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Very true. Women sometimes feel immune from consequences, like they can slap a guy in a bar and fully expect to not get slapped back. Or shout and resist police without repercussions. They are coddled beyond belief.

Another logical disconnect;

Protesters constantly call the agents "Nazi", "Gestapo", "Thug" etc. Yet at the same time, they feel safe enough to get in their faces, yell at them, throw things at them, etc. Do you honestly think that genuine Nazi/Gestapo/Thugs would put up with that? Or would they put you on or in the ground within a heartbeat.

Being able to shout "Nazi thug!" at someone and not have your ass beat is proof that they are not a Nazi thug.

The bigger problem is that the left is promoting this violence.

The woman is dead, and the officer's life ruined because the left is stoking hate and violence against a government agency that is deporting criminal aliens that the left does not want deported.

4 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

4 hours ago, impulse said:

Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen what Good did for a living?

What she did for a living is clear from this thread.

FWIW, from Politico:

Her ex-husband said she had primarily been a stay-at-home mom in recent years but had previously worked as a dental assistant and at a credit union.

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The bigger problem is that the left is promoting this violence.

The woman is dead, and the officer's life ruined because the left is stoking hate and violence against a government agency that is deporting criminal aliens that the left does not want deported.

ICE is promoting violence, hadn't you noticed, Trump's ideas.............🤫

2 hours ago, impulse said:

7 hours ago, impulse said:

Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen what Good did for a living?

What she did for a living is clear from this thread.

FWIW, from Politico:

Her ex-husband said she had primarily been a stay-at-home mom in recent years but had previously worked as a dental assistant and at a credit union.

I didn't ask what she did, why send that to me? However, do you think that is what she was doing when she got herself killed?!

18 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I didn't ask what she did, why send that to me? However, do you think that is what she was doing when she got herself killed?!

Because as always you pretend to know it all.

7 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What she did for a living is clear from this thread.

So why not spill the beans?

7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Very true. Women sometimes feel immune from consequences, like they can slap a guy in a bar and fully expect to not get slapped back. Or shout and resist police without repercussions. They are coddled beyond belief.

Another logical disconnect;

Protesters constantly call the agents "Nazi", "Gestapo", "Thug" etc. Yet at the same time, they feel safe enough to get in their faces, yell at them, throw things at them, etc. Do you honestly think that genuine Nazi/Gestapo/Thugs would put up with that? Or would they put you on or in the ground within a heartbeat.

Being able to shout "Nazi thug!" at someone and not have your ass beat is proof that they are not a Nazi thug.

You being a foreigner I guess it’s understandable that you don’t realize this isn’t putins Russia nor Kim’s N Korea folks don’t expect to be shot in the head for telling trump goons to ef off ……period all stop 🛑 at best this tragedy was a result of incompetence and stupidity on the part of trumps secret police aka ice.we just aren’t used to the police blowing our brains out for no reason.we are also used to a more COMPITENT police force that doesent place themselves at the worst possible position and fire their weapon when their fellow officers are in the line of fire…..nore are we used to an administration that would use this tragedy to further fann the flames of division.

1 minute ago, Tug said:

You being a foreigner I guess it’s understandable that you don’t realize this isn’t putins Russia nor Kim’s N Korea folks don’t expect to be shot in the head for telling trump goons to ef off ……period all stop 🛑 at best this tragedy was a result of incompetence and stupidity on the part of trumps secret police aka ice.we just aren’t used to the police blowing our brains out for no reason.we are also used to a more COMPITENT police force that doesent place themselves at the worst possible position and fire their weapon when their fellow officers are in the line of fire…..nore are we used to an administration that would use this tragedy to further fann the flames of division.

You being from Cally I guess it's understandable that you don't realize that lawful orders from police are NOT suggestions and are not up for debate.

Renee and her ICE Watch folks are welcome to express themselves with whatever profanity they see fit- First Amendment and all that.

Do you really think she bears NO responsibility? Nor her wife, who egged her on? When a LEO gives you a legal order, deciding to ignore him and drive baby drive away is not a clever act.

On 1/9/2026 at 2:16 AM, JonnyF said:

Yes, she was a far left Antifa type out to disrupt ICE doing their job of removing criminals from the country, for social media clout.

Apparently, that was more important to her and her wife than looking after their 6 year old son.

And if you read what her wife had to say afterwards she took responsibility.

"After the shooting, video reportedly showed Good’s wife saying, “I made her come down here. It’s my fault.”

https://alphanews.org/report-woman-killed-by-ice-agent-was-member-of-ice-watch-group-working-to-disrupt-immigration-arrests/

17 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Disrupt the Gasgapo from doing their job ,they used to be called freedom fighters,

These untrained ICE Gestapo agents , who smash windows in cars ,drag pregnant

women out, who are been paid a commision for every brown skinned person they

bring into the concentration camps ,that's telling it like it is, These Gasgapo will be

used by DJT to disrupt the midterm elections , because he knows he is going to lose

BIG .....

regards worgeordie

A few mistakes here.

1 ice are not paid a commission. Youll need to provide some proof of this claim.

2 they are trained through a federally funded program.contrary to what's been posted on here they do have training.

3 please provide an example of ice dragging a pregnant woman from a car

4 could you share the location of the concentration camps. Using this terminology takes all one's credibility away. Considering 6 million jews were killed in the camps. Clearly not what is going on in America.

Such a misinformed comment filled with nothing but your own political ideology and garbage you have read online.

You should be ashamed for writing such fallacies.

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

You being from Cally I guess it's understandable that you don't realize that lawful orders from police are NOT suggestions and are not up for debate.

Renee and her ICE Watch folks are welcome to express themselves with whatever profanity they see fit- First Amendment and all that.

Do you really think she bears NO responsibility? Nor her wife, who egged her on? When a LEO gives you a legal order, deciding to ignore him and drive baby drive away is not a clever act.

Psst....the 'Trump goon' was hired under Obama.

Seems that Good's spouse who was outside filming may face charges for egging Good on. "Drive baby drive"

On 1/10/2026 at 3:47 AM, impulse said:

They're getting paid...

Ingraham calmly asked a simple question that every hard-working American wants to ask these people: “Do you have a job?”

The protester’s response? It wasn’t “Yes, I’m a teacher” or “I’m on my lunch break.”

Without thinking, the leftist inadvertently spilled the beans: “I’m getting paid right now!” 

That was Laura Ingraham of Fox News. The rest of the MSM is trying to convince us that they're "concerned citizens". They're really paid agitators.

It's been going on for donkeys years. Trump is about to cut their funding over the coming weeks. Let's see how many are on the street when there is no cash. Trump has a very interesting meeting in Davos with the WEF in the next week or so.

On 1/10/2026 at 12:24 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

The BS is not mine, it is clear that he was hit by the car, that he held onto his phone is irrelevant.

He was not injured by the car, there's a small chance that the car bumped into him as he was trying to get out of his way, he had no business standing in front of the car, and Trump lied about him ending up in the hospital, so the majority of the story is pure nonsense and the man is a murderer.

On 1/10/2026 at 5:40 AM, impulse said:

Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen what Good did for a living?

I've read some of her poetry, and it's pretty doubtful that anyone was paying her for that.

Last I looked, the GoFundMe for her was up above $600K. And that was days ago...

She was a paid agitator and was there to disrupt ICE doing their job. Her wife was with her and goaded her into driving into the ICE officer. Afterwards the wife admitted that it was her fault.

15 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

He was not injured by the car, there's a small chance that the car bumped into him as he was trying to get out of his way, he had no business standing in front of the car, and Trump lied about him ending up in the hospital, so the majority of the story is pure nonsense and the man is a murderer.

Why was he trying to get out of the way if she was not driving at him?

If he had a broken leg and was in the hospital, would you feel differently?

40 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

He was not injured by the car, there's a small chance that the car bumped into him as he was trying to get out of his way, he had no business standing in front of the car, and Trump lied about him ending up in the hospital, so the majority of the story is pure nonsense and the man is a murderer.

Again the narrative changes. At first, he was not hit by the car. Now, maybe he WAS hit by the car, but wasn't injured, so it doesn't count. And also "b-b-but Trump!" for good measure.

9 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Again the narrative changes. At first, he was not hit by the car. Now, maybe he WAS hit by the car, but wasn't injured, so it doesn't count. And also "b-b-but Trump!" for good measure.

He was leaning into the car, so unless the laws of physics change he must have made contact. But nothing changes the fact that he shot her dead through the side window as she was passing him. Murder.

And, as I have pointed out before......

19 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

He was leaning into the car, so unless the laws of physics change he must have made contact. But nothing changes the fact that he shot her dead through the side window as she was passing him. Murder.

And, as I have pointed out before......

As yes, Jen Psaki, that noted journalist and unbiased reporter of facts.

While it is interesting that the agents left, it has zero to do with the circumstances of the shooting. Now, new video has come to light that shows Renee Good sitting in the middle of the road for 3 minutes, blasting her horn, dancing in her car, and apparently having a great old time doing so. All while federal agents were attempting to perform their legal duties.

Again, this shows her intent was to confront ICE, disrupt their operations, which is a crime. So she couldn't have been surprised when ICE agents approached her and legally ordered her out of the car. Instead, she added to her crimes by attempting to flee arrest by driving away. Which led to the tragic shooting.

30 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

As yes, Jen Psaki, that noted journalist and unbiased reporter of facts.

While it is interesting that the agents left, it has zero to do with the circumstances of the shooting. Now, new video has come to light that shows Renee Good sitting in the middle of the road for 3 minutes, blasting her horn, dancing in her car, and apparently having a great old time doing so. All while federal agents were attempting to perform their legal duties.

Again, this shows her intent was to confront ICE, disrupt their operations, which is a crime. So she couldn't have been surprised when ICE agents approached her and legally ordered her out of the car. Instead, she added to her crimes by attempting to flee arrest by driving away. Which led to the tragic shooting.

Lawyers would use that video in order to develop character in a court hearing. It shows clear intent to disrupt federal authorities.

And before the frothers froth......no that doesnt mean she should have been shot.

Again the DHS is caught out with their bald-faced lies, in defense of agents who have committed murder. They seem to be exhibiting the same level of moral bankruptcy as the president. According to them truth is not truth. Not a good look.

DHS and the administration have repeatedly said that agents were fanning out across the country to detain immigrants who’d committed crimes. (Vice President JD Vance made this claim on Thursday, in fact.) As 2025 unfolded, though, we learned that immigrants with no criminal record made up more ICE arrests than immigrants with criminal convictions. The number of detainees arrested by ICE without convictions or pending criminal charges rose from 842 on Dec. 1, 2024, to 21,892 on Nov. 30, 2025 — an astounding 2,500% increase.

U.S. District Court Judge Sara Ellis summarized the credibility of Noem and DHS in a 233-page ruling issued in late November. After articulating several claims that DHS had presented in a lawsuit alleging the use of excessive force in Chicago, Ellis anticipated how the government would respond.

“While Defendants may argue that the Court identifies only minor inconsistencies,” Ellis wrote, “every minor inconsistency adds up, and at some point, it becomes difficult, if not impossible, to believe almost anything that Defendants represent.”

The government accused two people, Marimar Martinez and Anthony Ruiz, of attempting to ambush federal agents. DHS claimed that Martinez was armed and that she was struck by “defensive fire” from officers. Both were described by the agency as “domestic terrorists” — as was Renee Good.

The Justice Department eventually dropped the charges against Martinez and Ruiz. A permitted firearm holder, Martinez never took her gun out of her purse. Her attorney said that he’d seen footage indicating that DHS agents rammed her car, rather than her striking them. The DHS official who relayed this story to the press? Tricia McLaughlin.

One might wonder why agents of the federal government would consistently misrepresent the actions of their agency and its employees. Some of it might be explained by their desire to show allegiance to their workforce. Some might be ascribed to errors or incomplete information. But we cannot assume that this is the sole motivation when the government agency at issue is part of the Trump administration.

The president has repeatedly demonstrated a willingness in the past decade to make false claims that impugn his opponents or celebrate his allies — or both. This approach has permeated the government, carried into individual agencies by the loyal allies he’s installed as their leaders.

What this means, though, is that the skepticism one ought to bring to any pronouncement of Trump should similarly be applied to those who work for and defend him. Particularly when — as in the case of the Department of Homeland Security — those officials have repeatedly been caught in fabrications of their own.

Kristi Noem and DHS do not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

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On 1/9/2026 at 8:38 AM, Hanaguma said:

Renee Good

She's won't be missed , hopefully the others will take note

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

He was not injured by the car, there's a small chance that the car bumped into him as he was trying to get out of his way, he had no business standing in front of the car, and Trump lied about him ending up in the hospital, so the majority of the story is pure nonsense and the man is a murderer.

The video shows that he was hit, the woman had no business driving into him as he was trying to get her to stop...he had every right to be where he was. That he was uninjured is irrelevant but it has been reported that he was treated in hospital...

"Federal officials say the agent was injured and treated in hospital. The FBI is investigating the incident"...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7yv4524gqo

He has not been determined to be a murderer (and he never will be).

11 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The video shows that he was hit, the woman had no business driving into him as he was trying to get her to stop...he had every right to be where he was. That he was uninjured is irrelevant but it has been reported that he was treated in hospital...

"Federal officials say the agent was injured and treated in hospital. The FBI is investigating the incident"...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7yv4524gqo

He has not been determined to be a murderer (and he never will be).

You are very poorly misinformed, multiple videos clearly show that she was turning to the right to avoid him and he had no business standing in front of the car to begin with. In addition there was another ICE officer that was screaming for her to leave the scene, which is exactly what you was trying to do.

Believing the DHS hyperbole will always lead to a misunderstanding, as they are an extremely dishonest organization completely lacking in integrity.

33 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

You are very poorly misinformed, multiple videos clearly show that she was turning to the right to avoid him and he had no business standing in front of the car to begin with. In addition there was another ICE officer that was screaming for her to leave the scene, which is exactly what you was trying to do.

Believing the DHS hyperbole will always lead to a misunderstanding, as they are an extremely dishonest organization completely lacking in integrity.

Poorly misinformed would mean well informed, would it not?

In any event, she was parked sideways in the road, intentionally interfering with ICE. She had to turn to flee the crime scene, not to avoid him.

On 1/9/2026 at 5:53 AM, Yagoda said:

Credit to him for being a critical thinker.

Naa he’s more akin to vidkum quesling definitely hates free speech democracy and is definitely into authoritarian regimes.anyway the trigger happy idiots cam was interesting on video you see her turning her steering wheel hard right attempting to flee….right or wrong that shouldn’t be a death sentence and the idiot ice thug shouldent be so stupid as to stand in front of someone’s car as they attempt to flee…..that’s a bad shooting no doubt about it,definitely uncalled for and a gross over reaction.