4 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Was he disarmed or was he shot?

Disarmed then shot. This will be the contentious issue in this shooting. Was it justified self defense and/or defense of fellow officers or was it complete and lethal overreaction? Thing is did all of the agents know he'd be disarmed? Did they know he didn't have any other concealed weapons on him? Did he reach for something on his person that made the ICE agent that shot him think he still had a weapon or was reaching for another weapon? Did he reach for an officer's weapon? It's impossible to tell from the footage so far available.

3 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

Obstructing law enforcement with a car, or while armed, is a crime......by no means "peaceful". We used to protest out of the way with signs and "peaceful" demonstration, not obstructing law enforcement, government employees, or the public. The Progressive Liberals have decided to make their own rules, and use violent obstruction as a way of protest, they brought this on themselves, they need to fix this stupidity.

Shooting and killing protesters are crimes. If the government don’t investigate, they are culpable to the crime. Trump is equally responsible for the death of peaceful protesters

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Disarmed then shot. This will be the contentious issue. Thing is did all of the agents know he'd be disarmed? Did they know he didn't have any other concealed weapons on him? Did he reach for something on his person that made the ICE agent that shot him think he still had a weapon or was reaching for another weapon? Did he reach for an officer's weapon? It's impossible to tell from the footage so far available.

None of which would have been an issue, if he had just stayed on the sidewalk holding a protesting sign, and left his weapon at home.

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Shooting and killing protesters are crimes.

That is completely delusional, armed aggressive protesters are putting themselves in danger of getting shot (which unbelievably might end up in them getting killed - who would have thought?)

whatever happened to civil disobedience?

3 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

Obstructing law enforcement with a car, or while armed, is a crime......by no means "peaceful". We used to protest out of the way with signs and "peaceful" demonstration, not obstructing law enforcement, government employees, or the public. The Progressive Liberals have decided to make their own rules, and use violent obstruction as a way of protest, they brought this on themselves, they need to fix this stupidity.

This is of course, like everything else, all presidents Trumps fault! and an announcement from the government is long overdue, I know it is only stating the obvious, but in a country that had to advise some of its population that bags of nuts "may contain nuts" that hot coffee "may indeed be hot" and that objects seen in rear view mirrors "are behind you" one would expect the authorities to at least warn that 1) obstructing armed officers is fraught with danger and 2) children should be kept away from such protests, and 3) those that do not keep their kids out of harms way will have them taken into care,which is what the ICE officers did to that 5 year old kid when its gutless illegal immigrant father abandoned it and its illegal alien mother refused to take custody of , and responsibility for it

What sort of human detritus have they been allowing in for gods sake

Just now, lordgrinz said:

That is completely delusional, armed aggressive protesters are putting themselves in danger of getting shot (which unbelievably might end up in them getting killed - who would have thought?)

Heavily masked armed trigger happy ICE agents are the threat. Worse they are protected by the government to inflict brutality to peaceful protesters. They will continue the brutality and I expect more shootings as the government has indirectly giving them immunity.

Peaceful protesters are manhandled, pepper sprayed, tear gassed and hit with incendiaries to provoke a reaction and reason for Trump invoking the Insurrection Act. ICE is the vanguard of such evil plot.

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

in case above gets deleted for no source ...

Reported in news elsewhere, he was carrying 9mm ...

... with 2 extra mags of ammo.

Who does that unless .... you plan on having a shoot out ... IMHO

You got 10-15 rounds, do you really need 20-30 more.

Yea, who does that, right?

3 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Don't you mean "fascism"?

There has to be another reason that ICE are focussing on Minnesota and it isn't helped by the orange clown accusing the Governor of inciting insurrection.........the illegal immigrant situation in Minnesota is not different to Texas and Florida; the main difference is that these two states are Republican, whilst Minnesota is a Democratic state. Could it be that trump is going after his political rivals as he has already done on an individual basis???

There is nothing that this clown will stop at in order to get his way. Sad and corrupt and his MAGA numpties are no better.

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

Yea, who does that, right?

were those two elderly gentlemen involved? Thought not, Clearly not doctors or concealing their weapons either, looks like they are innocently ordering a burger , possibly after a days hunting, irrelevant and dare I say it twice in one thread, OFF TOPIC

1 hour ago, lordgrinz said:

I think the problem really lies in our differences, maybe the best thing for Progressive Liberals, is to leave the USA and head to Utopia....probably somewhere in the EU. They'll be happier, and the USA which has been heavily Capitalist and hardworking Conservatives for most of its history, can carry on the way it always has. We'll call it a win-win for everyone, we can even handout $100,000 exit payments to anyone who leaves voluntarily. For those very hardheaded Liberals, we can put them into reeducation camps, and/or some form of indentured servitude.

Or the blue states can stop funding the red states. Won't be long before you guys come crawling on your knees!😆

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Heavily masked armed trigger happy ICE agents are the threat. Worse they are protected by the government to inflict brutality to peaceful protesters. They will continue the brutality and I expect more shootings as the government has indirectly giving them immunity.

Peaceful protesters are manhandled, pepper sprayed, tear gassed and hit with incendiaries to provoke a reaction and reason for Trump invoking the Insurrection Act. ICE is the vanguard of such evil plot.

Like I said earlier, there is this magical place called Utopia, it is recognized as the EU, where you can actively be armed and obstruct law enforcement at will, and where illegal immigrants are welcome. You may wish to move there, they await you with open arms.

6 minutes ago, xylophone said:

There is nothing that this clown will stop at in order to get his way.

I think deporting illegals is just standard law enforcement in action , its hardly extraordinary behaviour or even indicative of a "clown who just wants to get his own way"

unlike screaming at and attacking law enforcement officers as they go about their assigned tasks.

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Reported in news elsewhere, he was carrying 9mm ...

... with 2 extra mags of ammo.

Who does that unless ....

... "Pretti, an intensive care nurse at the Department of Veterans Affairs and a US citizen, was killed during an altercation with federal agents on Saturday. The DHS said he was carrying a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun and two magazines and had no identification.

“This looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement,” ...

This is a total baldfaced lie. Have you watched the videos of what actually happened?

He had a cell phone in one hand, nothing in the other. He went over to assist woman who'd been violently assaulted by the ICE thugs. Help her get up... and ICE thug is spraying him from behind, but side of road, for no good reason. None. Then a couple jump on woman, 5 or 6 jump him and drag to ground, jump on him. One ice found gun on him (he NEVER had gun out), can clearly be seen walking from scrum with gun in hand. and then the shooting starts, maybe 9 shots. Murder. Plenty of vid, plenty of angles

He had a permit to carry. All the Trump nuts holler about 2nd amendment rights to carry. He was legal.

Now the feds from the top feed a line of bs based on no factual evidence.... terrorist? Planned? Where is evidence for that? a 'hunch'? And just like other woman killed the other day, scooped up the evidence, did not secure the scene for real investigation, but skeedaddled.

ICE do have 'absolute immunity' the Justice Dept refuses to investigate based on the big lies spouted before the corpses are even cold. Only hope is state or local, if they can get the evidence pryed from FBI....

Your top few sentences are reprehensible.

13 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Yea, who does that, right?

It’s allowed in some counties in America but you not being an American wouldn’t know that.

10 minutes ago, xylophone said:

There has to be another reason that ICE are focussing on Minnesota and it isn't helped by the orange clown accusing the Governor of inciting insurrection.........the illegal immigrant situation in Minnesota is not different to Texas and Florida; the main difference is that these two states are Republican, whilst Minnesota is a Democratic state. Could it be that trump is going after his political rivals as he has already done on an individual basis???

There is nothing that this clown will stop at in order to get his way. Sad and corrupt and his MAGA numpties are no better.

THIS is the reason ICE is all over Minnesota. The fascist in the WH wants to rig the midterms because he knows he'll get slaughtered. This is the second time he tries to steal an election.

This is treason, and only one penalty fits the crime when you're the C-in-C.

US Senator (CT) Chris Murphy:

This was never about illegal immigrants,

46 minutes ago, theshu25 said:

Is this your first week on the internet?

Were you born yesterday? Apparently so!

6 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

Like I said earlier, there is this magical place called Utopia, it is recognized as the EU, where you can actively be armed and obstruct law enforcement at will, and where illegal immigrants are welcome. You may wish to move there, they await you with open arms.

They also have governments that are accountable for crimes. US is obfuscating responsibility to investigate the killing of their own citizens.

3 minutes ago, khunJam said:

It’s allowed in some counties in America but you not being an American wouldn’t know that.

It seems missing the point entirely is something that happens a lot to you.

But you can have a reasonably fulfilling life anyway!

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

When I read the shocking headline, I thought they were reporting on Tehran.

Sad USA has descended to such a state whereby peaceful protesters are being shot and killed by the government.

An armed protester in this case. Surely you should be equally as sad that someone is turning up to protest with a concealed weapon.

1 hour ago, lordgrinz said:

I think the problem really lies in our differences, maybe the best thing for Progressive Liberals, is to leave the USA and head to Utopia....probably somewhere in the EU. They'll be happier, and the USA which has been heavily Capitalist and hardworking Conservatives for most of its history, can carry on the way it always has. We'll call it a win-win for everyone, we can even handout $100,000 exit payments to anyone who leaves voluntarily. For those very hardheaded Liberals, we can put them into reeducation camps, and/or some form of indentured servitude.

This would be utopian for the conservatives in the United States. Just the peace and quiet of not having to hear the crying rants of the left liberals would be utopia.

😃

24 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Heavily masked armed trigger happy ICE agents are the threat. Worse they are protected by the government to inflict brutality to peaceful protesters.

If Waltz and Frey weren't protecting kiddie fiddlers and child traffickers etc. rather than hand them over for deportation there would be no protests at all.

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

If Waltz and Frey weren't protecting kiddie fiddlers and child traffickers etc. rather than hand them over for deportation there would be no protests at all.

Apparently Bondi disagrees with you. It's about voter files.

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

And the MAGA morons are a great example of that.

maybe they are, but what about the majority ? The millions upon millions of right minded people who naturally do not want unvetted illegal aliens anywhere near them or their families? Who speaks for them, certainly not you or anybody like you,

Normal hardworking people do not have the time or the strength to protest, peacefully or otherwise, they are more concerned with raising there legally resident families,

The only thing safe in America is the Epstein files...

17 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

They also have governments that are accountable for crimes. US is obfuscating responsibility to investigate the killing of their own citizens.

More of a reason to leave, save yourself the agony.

10 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

If Waltz and Frey weren't protecting kiddie fiddlers and child traffickers etc. rather than hand them over for deportation there would be no protests at all.

Minnesota was targeted for excessive ICE brutality to incite violent for Trump.

48 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Shooting and killing protesters are crimes. If the government don’t investigate, they are culpable to the crime. Trump is equally responsible for the death of peaceful protesters

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Walz and Frey are responsible for this persons death, they have done nothing to try and deescalate the situation. All they have done is add fuel to the fire. Thinking they want to recreate another BLM burning and looting of Mpls. These two guys need to be removed for more reasons than one.