5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

All 3 major religions are essentially the same and they are all scams and used for control.

Too bad you're not allowed to criticize something that should have been abolished a long time ago.

You are allowed to criticise religions in the USA except for Judaism. Why do you think this is?

27 minutes ago, JimCM said:

If someone said the same about Jews, would that be protected?

Sure as hell should be. The quickest way to give power to murderous, drooling moronic mini Shicklgrubers is to shut them up.

6 hours ago, connda said:

Congress Randy Fine considers himself to be an Islamophobe and thinks it is "rational" be be afraid of the followers of Islam.

Do you consider this "hate speech" and should it be banned in the United States? Support your opinion in the comments. Also inform us if you are or are not a US citizens.



https://x.com/RepFine/status/2032230398009200896

No.

23 minutes ago, JimCM said:

You are allowed to criticise religions in the USA except for Judaism. Why do you think this is?

You're full of it.

6 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Islam is the final word from God on his works- Judaism was replaced by Christianity and Christianity by Allah (PBUH) and that's why it's the world's largest religion - it is literally God's work.

The Oxford dictionary, the definition of "pedophile" is: The sexual attraction to a pre-pubescent child (of either sex). So according to this author, this is God's word.

43 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

That wouldnt leave many

So very true, after the 201 Democrats are removed only a few good ones would remain.

46 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

You're full of it.

Very Eloquent. A Jewish Pilgrim would say that

There is no such thing as "hate speech". It is a social construct, the same as transgenderism and non-binary(ism). If you choose to be offended by something said by anybody, that is your choice.

If you tell me you are a transgender woman and I know you are a bloke with synthetic mammary glands and a pair of integrum testes, I'll call you a bloke. Sans testes and possessing XY chromosomes, you are still a bloke. If you want to wear a dress and stilettos, go for it. Your lifestyle choice doesn't offend me.

But if you want me to believe in your delusion and consider my dissent to be hateful, get a life. And the same applies to all those that want to imprison ordinary people for not agreeing with your delusional perspective of reality.

I wouldn't advocate burning these "hate speech" muppets at the stake, but.......

2 hours ago, JimCM said:

You are allowed to criticise religions in the USA except for Judaism. Why do you think this is?

Who says you cant critisize them?

6 hours ago, JimCM said:

Do you realize this is Israel's plan?

Why would you hate those against Israel taking over Palestine by genocide and ethnic cleansing?

We’re discussing whether speech describing the fear of Islam as being rational should be banned or not. Broadening the discussion to one of free speech in general doesn’t seem to be going too far off topic, but it’s way too far off topic to be discussing the rights and wrongs of Israel’s recent actions. Plenty of other multi page discussions on that in the forum.

7 hours ago, JimCM said:

Do you realize this is Israel's plan?

Tell us what the plan is.

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14 hours ago, connda said:

Personally I find Mr. Fine's comment to be hateful and overtly bigoted and discriminatory toward the followers of Islam.
However - his opinion is protected speech under the First Amendment. As long as he's not promoting violence toward Muslims.

I find Mr. Fine to be a small-minded bigot spewing intolerance, xenophobia, and hostile language from his podium of the US Congress - and he is a vile creep. How this people get elected is beyond me. 🫷

Islam preaches hate. The religion should be declared a terrorist cult and banned.

It's borderline hateful. Obviously offensive to many.

It's protected speech.

Of course such speech shouldn't be banned by laws.

it's a fact that many people are afraid of Islam.

That's real for them.

Also, the comment reflects a misunderstanding of the full meaning of Islamophobia so in that sense it's ignorant speech.

7 hours ago, JimCM said:

Very Eloquent. A Jewish Pilgrim would say that

A vicious anti-semite would say that

20 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Well, for whatever reason, there is one in particular where you might get killed criticizing it. The other 2 not so much.

Yes indeed that says it all, or maybe even for drawing a cartoon?

Not only do I wholeheartedly agree with his statement because it has merit, I also don't see any reason why it should be considered hate speech. Expressing fear of something doesn't equal hatred.

A phobia is an irrational fear or dislike of something or someone. Examples: Christophobia, Judaeophobia, there's a lot of that about. So, my irrational fear of Islam stems from the fact that they want to eliminate all non-Muslims , by whatever means necessary, that they are allowed by their faith to lie in order to promulgate Islam... oh, etc, etc, I can't think of much that I like about it.

Let's get on to the argument that always follows: "It's just the extremist Islamists that cause trouble".

QUOTE: "Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007"

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/moderate-turkeys-moderate-pm-erdogan-explains-there-no-moderate-islam-andrew-c/

2 minutes ago, cooked said:

A phobia is an irrational fear or dislike of something or someone. Examples: Christophobia, Judaeophobia, there's a lot of that about. So, my irrational fear of Islam stems from the fact that they want to eliminate all non-Muslims , by whatever means necessary, that they are allowed by their faith to lie in order to promulgate Islam... oh, etc, etc, I can't think of much that I like about it.

Let's get on to the argument that always follows: "It's just the extremist Islamists that cause trouble".

QUOTE: "Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007"

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/moderate-turkeys-moderate-pm-erdogan-explains-there-no-moderate-islam-andrew-c/

Very true it is a cult.

15 hours ago, tuucows said:

how about dumb speech from liberal dip<deleted>z. Should Trump initiate the moron act to expel morons from congress!

Trump isn’t smart enough just like many of his followers….on topic it’s protected speech no doubt about it and personally I agree with it except the fear part more like distrust and leary of their repressive views.

21 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Islam is the final word from God on his works- Judaism was replaced by Christianity and Christianity by Allah (PBUH) and that's why it's the world's largest religion - it is literally God's work.

Nonsense.

2 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Nonsense.

Apologies - and putting aside the legality of one word responses you were right on the numbers and I shouldn't have given a PBUH to Allah only Muhammed (PBUH) ;

Thankou for your attention to this matter.

The perspective you're describing reflects the Islamic doctrine of supersessionism (the belief that a newer revelation replaces or fulfills a previous one). However, whether it is "true" depends entirely on whether you are looking at it through the lens of faith, history, or demographics.

Here is a breakdown of the facts versus the theological claims:

1. The Theological Framework

In Islamic theology, the concept is that God sent a single message of monotheism through many prophets.

The Chain: Muslims believe Judaism and Christianity were originally the same "true" religion, but that their scriptures (the Torah and the Gospel) were altered or misinterpreted over time.

The "Seal": The Quran describes Muhammad as the "Seal of the Prophets," meaning Islam is viewed by its followers as the final, perfected correction of God’s word.

A Small Correction: In your prompt, you mentioned "Allah (PBUH)." Just a heads-up: Allah is the Arabic word for God, while PBUH (Peace Be Upon Him) is a blessing reserved specifically for Prophets (like Muhammad, Jesus, or Moses).

2. Is it the World's Largest Religion?

Actually, as of early 2026, Christianity remains the world's largest religion by total population, with approximately 2.4 to 2.5 billion followers.

Religion

Estimated Global Population

Christianity

~2.4 Billion

Islam

~1.9 Billion

When will Islam overtake Christianity?

Current projections indicate that Islam will likely overtake Christianity as the world's largest religion by approximately 2070.

By 2050: The two religions will be in "near parity." Projections suggest there will be roughly 2.9 billion Christians (31% of the population) and 2.8 billion Muslims (30%).

By 2070: If current trends in fertility and youth demographics continue, the number of Muslims is expected to slightly exceed the number of Christians for the first time in history.

By 2100: Approximately 35% of the world is projected to be Muslim, compared to 34% Christian.

21 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Islam is the final word from God on his works- Judaism was replaced by Christianity and Christianity by Allah (PBUH) and that's why it's the world's largest religion - it is literally God's work.

Nonsensj

10 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Apologies - and putting aside the legality of one word responses you were right on the numbers and I shouldn't have given a PBUH to Allah only Muhammed (PBUH) ;

Thankou for your attention to this matter.

The perspective you're describing reflects the Islamic doctrine of supersessionism (the belief that a newer revelation replaces or fulfills a previous one). However, whether it is "true" depends entirely on whether you are looking at it through the lens of faith, history, or demographics.

Here is a breakdown of the facts versus the theological claims:

1. The Theological Framework

In Islamic theology, the concept is that God sent a single message of monotheism through many prophets.

The Chain: Muslims believe Judaism and Christianity were originally the same "true" religion, but that their scriptures (the Torah and the Gospel) were altered or misinterpreted over time.

The "Seal": The Quran describes Muhammad as the "Seal of the Prophets," meaning Islam is viewed by its followers as the final, perfected correction of God’s word.

A Small Correction: In your prompt, you mentioned "Allah (PBUH)." Just a heads-up: Allah is the Arabic word for God, while PBUH (Peace Be Upon Him) is a blessing reserved specifically for Prophets (like Muhammad, Jesus, or Moses).

2. Is it the World's Largest Religion?

Actually, as of early 2026, Christianity remains the world's largest religion by total population, with approximately 2.4 to 2.5 billion followers.

Religion

Estimated Global Population

Christianity

~2.4 Billion

Islam

~1.9 Billion

When will Islam overtake Christianity?

Current projections indicate that Islam will likely overtake Christianity as the world's largest religion by approximately 2070.

By 2050: The two religions will be in "near parity." Projections suggest there will be roughly 2.9 billion Christians (31% of the population) and 2.8 billion Muslims (30%).

By 2070: If current trends in fertility and youth demographics continue, the number of Muslims is expected to slightly exceed the number of Christians for the first time in history.

By 2100: Approximately 35% of the world is projected to be Muslim, compared to 34% Christian.

Thanks for this detailed info. My own experience of many years based in Riyadh and working throughout the Middle East has left me very concerned about the intentions of the Islamists. It should be understood that once they are in control in any country moderate Muslims mostly fall in behind and follow the harsh diktats of the Islamic state.

4 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Nonsensj

Thanks for this detailed info. My own experience of many years based in Riyadh and working throughout the Middle East has left me very concerned about the intentions of the Islamists. It should be understood that once they are in control in any country moderate Muslims mostly fall in behind and follow the harsh diktats of the Islamic state.

You sound like an oilman. But civilisations don't advance on a single track. Take North Sentinel Island a people who will put an arrow through you for setting foot on their beach. Savage? Backwards? Or simply developing on their own terms, at their own pace, without asking anyone's permission? The distinction matters.

The Middle East has been picked over by outside hands for centuries colonised, partitioned, resource-extracted, and periodically bombed into modernity by people who meant well, or said they did. They've developed their own ways in response to that, which shouldn't entirely surprise us.

And here's the thing worth sitting with: if climate change does what the projections suggest and takes down western civilisation as we know it, the people living close to the land in low-tech communities may well turn out to have been the ones playing the long game. Cave-dwelling starts to look less primitive when the grid's gone down and the supermarkets are empty and let's not forget the US Empire has killed far more people in the last 100 years then Islam has and let's not get onto the white Christian Nazis.

Just putting that out there. )

For all those trying their level best to paint Islam as a religion preaching hate and intolerance, perhaps you should look a bit closer to home as you observe you beloved leader being 'blessed' by Evangelical Christians who believe amongst a treasure trove of hate and intolerance -

-          That creationism should be taught in public education.

-          That Christian moral values should inform law and politics.

-          That school prayers should be compulsory.

-          The opposition to the teaching of biological evolution.

-          The condemnation of same-sex relationships as sinful as well as the reversal of LGBTQ rights.

-          Abortion should be illegal at all stages and under all conditions.

-          The opposition to all euthanasia and assisted dying no matter what pain the person is going through.

-          And of course, the banning of books, gambling, porn and pretty much anything of any enjoyment.

10 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

You sound like an oilman. But civilisations don't advance on a single track. Take North Sentinel Island a people who will put an arrow through you for setting foot on their beach. Savage? Backwards? Or simply developing on their own terms, at their own pace, without asking anyone's permission? The distinction matters.

The Middle East has been picked over by outside hands for centuries colonised, partitioned, resource-extracted, and periodically bombed into modernity by people who meant well, or said they did. They've developed their own ways in response to that, which shouldn't entirely surprise us.

And here's the thing worth sitting with: if climate change does what the projections suggest and takes down western civilisation as we know it, the people living close to the land in low-tech communities may well turn out to have been the ones playing the long game. Cave-dwelling starts to look less primitive when the grid's gone down and the supermarkets are empty and let's not forget the US Empire has killed far more people in the last 100 years then Islam has and let's not get onto the white Christian Nazis.

Just putting that out there. )

I did indeed work for an oil major for 40 years.

13 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

For all those trying their level best to paint Islam as a religion preaching hate and intolerance, perhaps you should look a bit closer to home as you observe you beloved leader being 'blessed' by Evangelical Christians who believe amongst a treasure trove of hate and intolerance -

-          That creationism should be taught in public education.

-          That Christian moral values should inform law and politics.

-          That school prayers should be compulsory.

-          The opposition to the teaching of biological evolution.

-          The condemnation of same-sex relationships as sinful as well as the reversal of LGBTQ rights.

-          Abortion should be illegal at all stages and under all conditions.

-          The opposition to all euthanasia and assisted dying no matter what pain the person is going through.

-          And of course, the banning of books, gambling, porn and pretty much anything of any enjoyment.

They are blessing a rapist and convitced felon with an act of true Christian forgiveness. It's a shame they don't apply Christ's message to the rest of the world.

“Hate speech” is defined online as “abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or similar grounds.” So I would consider Fine’s statement hate speech, but I don’t think it should be banned anywhere, and it is protected speech in the USA by the First Amendment..

17 hours ago, tuucows said:

how about dumb speech from liberal dip<deleted>z. Should Trump initiate the moron act to expel morons from congress!

Of course, this moron act would exclude the Presidency. Otherwise he would expell himself! 😂

23 hours ago, connda said:

Personally I find Mr. Fine's comment to be hateful and overtly bigoted and discriminatory toward the followers of Islam.
However - his opinion is protected speech under the First Amendment. As long as he's not promoting violence toward Muslims.

I find Mr. Fine to be a small-minded bigot spewing intolerance, xenophobia, and hostile language from his podium of the US Congress - and he is a vile creep. How this people get elected is beyond me. 🫷

23 hours ago, connda said:

Personally I find Mr. Fine's comment to be hateful and overtly bigoted and discriminatory toward the followers of Islam.
However - his opinion is protected speech under the First Amendment. As long as he's not promoting violence toward Muslims.

I find Mr. Fine to be a small-minded bigot spewing intolerance, xenophobia, and hostile language from his podium of the US Congress - and he is a vile creep. How this people get elected is beyond me. 🫷

That they are elected is scarier to me than his speech. I fear I am witnessing the loss of my country. Not wealthy enough to buy a Diau citizenry or I would.