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Believe it or not, it's not for me. A friend is currently in his home country and is wondering if it is safe to come back. He's over 70 and having medical procedures done and wouldn't last long in jail. He's not a bad guy, just got into a physical altercation with a Thai guy, nothing serious.

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...He's not a bad guy, just got into a physical altercation with a Thai guy, nothing serious.

Did the "Thai guy" file a complaint with police?

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I guess going to the police station would be the most obvious solution, if you were near the village it happened. I don't know if the police in another district would know about it. He is mostly concerned about the chances of getting arrested at the airport coming in.

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I guess going to the police station would be the most obvious solution, if you were near the village it happened. I don't know if the police in another district would know about it. He is mostly concerned about the chances of getting arrested at the airport coming in.

Think you just answered your own question. Ask at immigration.

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Once he arrives he'll find out. But he should know what police action was taken at the time. Or did he leave the country in a hurry? Plenty of other countries he can go to if he's worried. But I don't think immigration would give out that information, otherwise criminals would just check before returning, so not much chance of catching them o arrival.

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How long ago and how bad was it? A minor dust up even if reported to local police has made it to the dust bin by now. On the other hand if you almost killed the guy they might care a bit more. They don't even put that much effort into finding crack heads that rob houses for pete sake. If you have a warrant it is most likely they won't see or care unless you get arrested for something else un related and they bother to check. Stay out of trouble and the longer it is the less it will matter.

In the states they care about the city budget and a friend went into the police station and asked if he had a warrant - his x wife had said she turned him in for something he had done - they asked where the warrant would be out of and he told them and then they said we won't check on that because it is out of town and if you do we have a warrant we will have to arrest you - we can't afford to feed you - go home and forget about it.

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I sincerely hope the guy gets caught and the only assistance I would give this fool is an escort to the police station.

If he committed a criminal act, and a charge is pending, than he is a fugitive from justice, pure and simple. Anyone helping him evade justice is regarded as a collaborator in crime and who the hell would want to become involved with that? Not me, that’s for sure.

I doubt whether this man`s medical problems are severe if he is able get into physical altercations with people.

The OP is being rather vague, so could he please be more specific with the facts and details, or is it going to be the same as usual with these threads that the OP will take a powder and we hear no more?

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How long ago and how bad was it? A minor dust up even if reported to local police has made it to the dust bin by now...

I wouldn't count on that. Example:

  • 2002: A Swiss television reporter films a documentary in Thailand about a bogus Swiss doctor based in Thailand who was raising funds for a suspect charity.
  • 2002: This documentary is broadcast on a Swiss television channel.
  • 2006: The Thai charity discussed in the documentary files a complaint with police, alleging defamation or libel or something like that.
  • 2009: The Swiss television reporter travels to Thailand again and gets arrested on his arrival at Bangkok airport. Previously, he had not been informed about the complaint to police and the arrest warrant.

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With a computer data base at immigration I would be very surprised if his name is not 'Flagged' when he tries to enter Thailand and will be arrested.

The only way to find out is for him to get on a plane and see what happens. This information SHOULD NOT be given to a third party.

If he was in fact guilty of a crime and did not 'pay' for it then I hope he gets caught and justice is done.

Thailand needs less criminals not more.

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I sincerely hope the guy gets caught and the only assistance I would give this fool is an escort to the police station.

If he committed a criminal act, and a charge is pending, than he is a fugitive from justice, pure and simple. Anyone helping him evade justice is regarded as a collaborator in crime and who the hell would want to become involved with that? Not me, that’s for sure.

I doubt whether this man`s medical problems are severe if he is able get into physical altercations with people.

The OP is being rather vague, so could he please be more specific with the facts and details, or is it going to be the same as usual with these threads that the OP will take a powder and we hear no more?

i can certainly understand how you could go days without human contact.

you blat out some knee-jerk judgmental tripe, then admit you don't have enough information to go on.

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How long ago and how bad was it? A minor dust up even if reported to local police has made it to the dust bin by now...

I wouldn't count on that. Example:

  • 2002: A Swiss television reporter films a documentary in Thailand about a bogus Swiss doctor based in Thailand who was raising funds for a suspect charity.
  • 2002: This documentary is broadcast on a Swiss television channel.
  • 2006: The Thai charity discussed in the documentary files a complaint with police, alleging defamation or libel or something like that.
  • 2009: The Swiss television reporter travels to Thailand again and gets arrested on his arrival at Bangkok airport. Previously, he had not been informed about the complaint to police and the arrest warrant.

A case of shooting the messenger?

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I sincerely hope the guy gets caught and the only assistance I would give this fool is an escort to the police station.

If he committed a criminal act, and a charge is pending, than he is a fugitive from justice, pure and simple. Anyone helping him evade justice is regarded as a collaborator in crime and who the hell would want to become involved with that? Not me, that’s for sure.

I doubt whether this man`s medical problems are severe if he is able get into physical altercations with people.

The OP is being rather vague, so could he please be more specific with the facts and details, or is it going to be the same as usual with these threads that the OP will take a powder and we hear no more?

Well, that is that case solved! Tried and convicted!

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He's over 70 yrs old and he got into 'an altercation' ??

There are people over 70 with stamina and bad temper ...

We have an old neighbour, an avid golfer. If he ever hits someone as hard as he hits the ball, it's going to hurt ...

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Way too many speculations from way too many posters without having any facts... the "physical altercation" could have been with the owner of a car rental who claimed damages that have been there before the rental... we all know about that kind of scams and blackmails...

Fact is that warrants can be put out without your knowledge... justified or not... whether for physical altercations or other reasons... and when you leave the country before the warrant can be served, you will never learn about it until you enter the country again... happend to me in France with an outstanding speeding bill (which was pretty high...) and my car plate was in the French police system... was taken out one year later when I tried to pass the french border again...

So th OP's question is pretty valid from my point of view: Can I and how can I find out if there is a (justified or unjustified) warrant outstanding on my name BEFORE I return to Thailand?

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I can tell you first hand that unless he:

1) was served papers to go to the police station and then was formerly charged from the person he had the altercation with

2) was then given a court date to appear

3) Did not appear in court

Then there is no warrant.

PS: You cannot just walk into the police station and ask. The best way is to get a lawyer to find out or go into City Hall and get their lawyer to do it for you free.

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I sincerely hope the guy gets caught and the only assistance I would give this fool is an escort to the police station.

If he committed a criminal act, and a charge is pending, than he is a fugitive from justice, pure and simple. Anyone helping him evade justice is regarded as a collaborator in crime and who the hell would want to become involved with that? Not me, that’s for sure.

I doubt whether this man`s medical problems are severe if he is able get into physical altercations with people.

The OP is being rather vague, so could he please be more specific with the facts and details, or is it going to be the same as usual with these threads that the OP will take a powder and we hear no more?

Since the OP is being very vague how come you are so specific and condeming of the person he is asking about. Sounds to me like you are trying to stir things up.

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2. Applicant residing Abroad

The applicant can send application by mail to the Police Clearance Service Center, with the following required documents:

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1) A photocopy of current passport

2) A photocopy of Thai ID card

3) A photocopy of House registration

4) In case of name or surname change, a photocopy of name or surname change certificate is required

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Note: Applicant must certify true copy of all documents

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3) A photocopy of Thai Working Permit (if available)

4) Two Photographs (1 inch by 2 inches)

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I sincerely hope the guy gets caught and the only assistance I would give this fool is an escort to the police station.

If he committed a criminal act, and a charge is pending, than he is a fugitive from justice, pure and simple. Anyone helping him evade justice is regarded as a collaborator in crime and who the hell would want to become involved with that? Not me, that’s for sure.

I doubt whether this man`s medical problems are severe if he is able get into physical altercations with people.

The OP is being rather vague, so could he please be more specific with the facts and details, or is it going to be the same as usual with these threads that the OP will take a powder and we hear no more?

I see the wolves have come early.

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How long ago and how bad was it? A minor dust up even if reported to local police has made it to the dust bin by now. On the other hand if you almost killed the guy they might care a bit more. They don't even put that much effort into finding crack heads that rob houses for pete sake. If you have a warrant it is most likely they won't see or care unless you get arrested for something else un related and they bother to check. Stay out of trouble and the longer it is the less it will matter.

In the states they care about the city budget and a friend went into the police station and asked if he had a warrant - his x wife had said she turned him in for something he had done - they asked where the warrant would be out of and he told them and then they said we won't check on that because it is out of town and if you do we have a warrant we will have to arrest you - we can't afford to feed you - go home and forget about it.

When a warrant of arrest is issued here in Thailand, it automatically goes to Immigration. Slowly, but it does. And if the police er, 'forget' to act on it, anyone can fax a copy to Chaeng Wattana General and Police Divisions. So 'your friend' will not only be taking a chance on re-entry, but for subsequent visa extensions also. Witness the French guy picked up at Phuket Imm a week or so ago.

Altercation with a Thai man, 70 years old and seemingly in poor health? whistling.gif

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He's over 70 yrs old and he got into 'an altercation' ??

I bet he's name is John Rambo .cheesy.gif

not cool to laugh at your own jokes

That's upto me don't spit you're dummy out. passifier.gif

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How long ago and how bad was it? A minor dust up even if reported to local police has made it to the dust bin by now...

I wouldn't count on that. Example:

  • 2002: A Swiss television reporter films a documentary in Thailand about a bogus Swiss doctor based in Thailand who was raising funds for a suspect charity.
  • 2002: This documentary is broadcast on a Swiss television channel.
  • 2006: The Thai charity discussed in the documentary files a complaint with police, alleging defamation or libel or something like that.
  • 2009: The Swiss television reporter travels to Thailand again and gets arrested on his arrival at Bangkok airport. Previously, he had not been informed about the complaint to police and the arrest warrant.

Filming a doc and showing it on TV and alleged defamation - libel etc is not a minor dust up - think about it. This may be a case of I said he said he pushed me I lost some minor face, you cannot compare it to large scale defamation case which may involve millions of dollars in libel, and as I asked did he almost kill him or something it makes a big difference.

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I suggest contacting one of those VISA companies like Sunbelt or Indo Siam.

They have relationships with staff at Immigration that may be able to check it out.

A law office may also be able to help.

Try Tony at Magna Carta Law in Pattaya.

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