Swedes sentenced to life in prison for Filipino cyber-brothel

[ableguy]

I don't have a lot of sympathy.

A couple of sexpats living off immoral earnings in a corrupt third world country.

I am not of the view that the services are necessarily bad in terms of the relationship between the girl and the viewer(s).

But when you stick a couple of pimps in the middle. Guys who are effectively taking advantage of the fact there's a lot of uneducated girls with very low earnings potential and making money off their sexual services - well - I'm all for very stiff sentences.

No different from all those guys in Pattaya getting a bar girl girlfriend, letting her prostitute herself out to westerners and living off the money. They are frowned upon by Thai sexpats but I have a feeling they will be a lot more forgiving of these two.

Have to agree, whilst this pair are flying around spending their earnings acting like big shots, who are really a couple of pimps hell let them rot, cant do the time dont do the crime,

[Thai at Heart]

Nuts.

Real brothels and associated risk. Everywhere

Internet sex from the safety of air conditioned room. Illegal and LIFE.

[ableguy]

I don't have a lot of sympathy.

A couple of sexpats living off immoral earnings in a corrupt third world country.

I am not of the view that the services are necessarily bad in terms of the relationship between the girl and the viewer(s).

But when you stick a couple of pimps in the middle. Guys who are effectively taking advantage of the fact there's a lot of uneducated girls with very low earnings potential and making money off their sexual services - well - I'm all for very stiff sentences.

No different from all those guys in Pattaya getting a bar girl girlfriend, letting her prostitute herself out to westerners and living off the money. They are frowned upon by Thai sexpats but I have a feeling they will be a lot more forgiving of these two.

It's not too different either from the wealthier of the world's population - including almost everyone on this forum - who take advantages of the low wages of third world workers to enjoy low-priced consumer goods... Just about everything around you was made by some pitifully paid worker... maybe we should all go to jail.

Of course it is different.

Let's say your daughter had a choice of 2 jobs...

1 - working in a factory assembling PCB cards

2 - playing with a dildo on a webcam for horny westerners

Would you commend her on taking the latter, higher paid job? Or on having the self-respect to take the first one?

you are pathetic

[kristophon]

they look a bit skinny... mai chawp somtam boh?... oh sorry.. i forgot... its flipperland... (same same but different)...

[timewilltell]

Is there no country any more that has any concept of justice?

[borisloosebrain]

Hell of a gig, getting paid to masturbate.

[gemini81]

Nothing resembling a brothel or such; just one girl lying. Bet she didn't look anything but neglected on the webcam...well fed, paid, and laid; whereas another uneducated labor job there would result in payment of peanuts and not enough to support herself.

Thailand & Philippines doing internships or exchange programs between courts? Equally inept.

[dighambara]

I guess they needed to have the girls sign some kind of consent form. What is the definition of Human Trafficing? Again though something just isn't right. Assuming those are the two brothers pictured, they don't look too unhappy. In fact the one appears to be smiling and the other is defiantely smiling. These chaps are looking at life? BS

BS, certainly - their PI partners receive a 20 year sentence and the Swedes get life - definitely Racist.

As for good attitude -noteveryone considers suicide when things go bad - when some folks are given lemons, they make lemonaide.

As for the Philippines, religeous zealotry often leads to the opposet effect - i.e. the ministers daughter is the local whore, thus the PI is staunchly Catholic and has a brothel in every town.

[monkey4u]

I guess they needed to have the girls sign some kind of consent form. What is the definition of Human Trafficing? Again though something just isn't right. Assuming those are the two brothers pictured, they don't look too unhappy. In fact the one appears to be smiling and the other is defiantely smiling. These chaps are looking at life? BS

Maybe they have found true love in prison with a couple of ladyboy's

[iancnx]

Important point to be made here....this apparent travesty of justice is not restricted to LoS or the BiB.. Expect more of the same from Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam in the fullness of time.

Thai Bashers take note!

[soicee]

None of the employees would have been there against their will given the massive unemployment, low wages if one manages to get a job & the total lack of social security support. Filipinos have to do a lot of things to survive. Cyber sex is one of the better gigs & the remuneration is excellent by local standards. BTW it is not unheard of in the Philippines for police to insert plants into certain businesses where money is being made (real or not) or to coerce workers to embellish their statements (against owners/managers).

[pedro01]

I don't have a lot of sympathy.

A couple of sexpats living off immoral earnings in a corrupt third world country.

I am not of the view that the services are necessarily bad in terms of the relationship between the girl and the viewer(s).

But when you stick a couple of pimps in the middle. Guys who are effectively taking advantage of the fact there's a lot of uneducated girls with very low earnings potential and making money off their sexual services - well - I'm all for very stiff sentences.

No different from all those guys in Pattaya getting a bar girl girlfriend, letting her prostitute herself out to westerners and living off the money. They are frowned upon by Thai sexpats but I have a feeling they will be a lot more forgiving of these two.

Taken advantage of?? Sit there playing with themselves and get paid the same as an educated office worker? Who's taking advantage of who? Simply shocking you condone the sentence. 1 girl who CLAIMS to be there against her will (actually I'm surprised it wasn't more... Obviously this saves them face and even gains sympathy if they claim doing it 'against their will') puts 2 guys away who were otherwise doing what the article says was a legal business.

Even beyond the 'legal' aspect, this is a transaction between willing adult participants and it wasn't harming anyone. Disgustingly immoral to deny someone this right and Man, I'm glad you're not in some sort of position of authority.

If anything the girl who put in the false claim should be put away for a weekend or two for bullshitting.

Taking advantage of the situation the women are in. It's pretty simple.

These women are only degrading themselves because of the 3rd world dump they were unfortunate enough to grow up in.

Now - you can try the moral equivalence of saying "well - it's a less crappy situation than prostitution" - but would you want your daughter doing this? Do you not think the whole thing is degrading?

Of course it is & this is how the Swedes decided to make their money. Out of a bunch of women in a poor situation.

Pedro, offering any work is taking advantage of the situation that the employees need the income to live.

I do not think that prostitution or porn or sex performances are necessarily immoral or necessarily taking advantage of anybody.

You take the stance that porn is morally bad. Your choice. Not mine.

I will ask again - would you be happy with your daughter doing this?

What these women do is degrading. It is poverty that forces them into this situation. It is scumbags that profit from that situation.

It isn't about morals. It is about Westerners taking advantage of people that are in a shitty situation.

Now the PI govt is taking advantage of the Westerners. Using them to show how well they are "cracking down" on traffickers.

Karma is a bitch.

[pedro01]

I don't have a lot of sympathy.

A couple of sexpats living off immoral earnings in a corrupt third world country.

I am not of the view that the services are necessarily bad in terms of the relationship between the girl and the viewer(s).

But when you stick a couple of pimps in the middle. Guys who are effectively taking advantage of the fact there's a lot of uneducated girls with very low earnings potential and making money off their sexual services - well - I'm all for very stiff sentences.

No different from all those guys in Pattaya getting a bar girl girlfriend, letting her prostitute herself out to westerners and living off the money. They are frowned upon by Thai sexpats but I have a feeling they will be a lot more forgiving of these two.

It's not too different either from the wealthier of the world's population - including almost everyone on this forum - who take advantages of the low wages of third world workers to enjoy low-priced consumer goods... Just about everything around you was made by some pitifully paid worker... maybe we should all go to jail.

Of course it is different.

Let's say your daughter had a choice of 2 jobs...

1 - working in a factory assembling PCB cards

2 - playing with a dildo on a webcam for horny westerners

Would you commend her on taking the latter, higher paid job? Or on having the self-respect to take the first one?

you are pathetic

Why am I pathetic? Because I make a valid point.

Which would you have your daughter/sister/mother doing?

Playing with a dildo in front of a webcam? Or doing a job where she gets to keep her clothes on.

[manarak]

Pedro, offering any work is taking advantage of the situation that the employees need the income to live.

I do not think that prostitution or porn or sex performances are necessarily immoral or necessarily taking advantage of anybody.

You take the stance that porn is morally bad. Your choice. Not mine.

I will ask again - would you be happy with your daughter doing this?

What these women do is degrading. It is poverty that forces them into this situation. It is scumbags that profit from that situation.

It isn't about morals. It is about Westerners taking advantage of people that are in a shitty situation.

Now the PI govt is taking advantage of the Westerners. Using them to show how well they are "cracking down" on traffickers.

Karma is a bitch.

Pure nonsense.

What these women do is degrading... mostly to you.

You lie to yourself, if it wasn't about morals, then why would showing one's genitals on internet cam be more degrading than working long hours in a factory for peanuts?

I have a daughter, and my only wish for her is to be happy in her life.

It's not about what I wish for my daughter, it is about what she wants for herself.

If she wants to be a porn actress or a prostitute, so be it.

I'll be there if she needs help in her life.

[pedro01]

Pedro, offering any work is taking advantage of the situation that the employees need the income to live.

I do not think that prostitution or porn or sex performances are necessarily immoral or necessarily taking advantage of anybody.

You take the stance that porn is morally bad. Your choice. Not mine.

I will ask again - would you be happy with your daughter doing this?

What these women do is degrading. It is poverty that forces them into this situation. It is scumbags that profit from that situation.

It isn't about morals. It is about Westerners taking advantage of people that are in a shitty situation.

Now the PI govt is taking advantage of the Westerners. Using them to show how well they are "cracking down" on traffickers.

Karma is a bitch.

Pure nonsense.

What these women do is degrading... mostly to you.

You lie to yourself, if it wasn't about morals, then why would showing one's genitals on internet cam be more degrading than working long hours in a factory for peanuts?

I have a daughter, and my only wish for her is to be happy in her life.

It's not about what I wish for my daughter, it is about what she wants for herself.

If she wants to be a porn actress or a prostitute, so be it.

I'll be there if she needs help in her life.

Well - I sure have higher aspirations for your daughter than you do.

We aren't even talking about people who are doing what they want to be happy in life. We are talking about people who are doing this because of limited life choices availble to them as they live in a 3rd world dump.

Even when entry into the porn industry is through choice, it often leads to a lot of mental, physical, drug abuse issues.

Some women of course are empowered by the porn industry and good luck to them.

This is not even close to the situation these swedes are exploiting in PI.

The girls there are not doing this through choice, they are doing it through lack of alternatives. As such, self-esteem and related mental health issues will be common. You see plenty of that here in Thailand too.

I guess if you are happy for your daughter to be spreading her legs in front of a webcam, you will also be fine with a couple of Swedish guys taking 90% of the revenue and leaving her with what an office girl would earn, right?

[manarak]

Pedro, offering any work is taking advantage of the situation that the employees need the income to live.

I do not think that prostitution or porn or sex performances are necessarily immoral or necessarily taking advantage of anybody.

You take the stance that porn is morally bad. Your choice. Not mine.

I will ask again - would you be happy with your daughter doing this?

What these women do is degrading. It is poverty that forces them into this situation. It is scumbags that profit from that situation.

It isn't about morals. It is about Westerners taking advantage of people that are in a shitty situation.

Now the PI govt is taking advantage of the Westerners. Using them to show how well they are "cracking down" on traffickers.

Karma is a bitch.

Pure nonsense.

What these women do is degrading... mostly to you.

You lie to yourself, if it wasn't about morals, then why would showing one's genitals on internet cam be more degrading than working long hours in a factory for peanuts?

I have a daughter, and my only wish for her is to be happy in her life.

It's not about what I wish for my daughter, it is about what she wants for herself.

If she wants to be a porn actress or a prostitute, so be it.

I'll be there if she needs help in her life.

Well - I sure have higher aspirations for your daughter than you do.

We aren't even talking about people who are doing what they want to be happy in life. We are talking about people who are doing this because of limited life choices availble to them as they live in a 3rd world dump.

Even when entry into the porn industry is through choice, it often leads to a lot of mental, physical, drug abuse issues.

Some women of course are empowered by the porn industry and good luck to them.

This is not even close to the situation these swedes are exploiting in PI.

The girls there are not doing this through choice, they are doing it through lack of alternatives. As such, self-esteem and related mental health issues will be common. You see plenty of that here in Thailand too.

I guess if you are happy for your daughter to be spreading her legs in front of a webcam, you will also be fine with a couple of Swedish guys taking 90% of the revenue and leaving her with what an office girl would earn, right?

"lack of alternatives" is not equivalent with "forced labour".

Every society needs poorer people who will have to accept jobs they are not fond of. It's normal.

From your point of view, taking one's clothes off is more degrading than other dirty jobs. It's your point of view - maybe you would agree to let the jobseeker decide what he would agree to do for what price.

I also do not agree on the "exploitation" you see in that situation.

The girls are free to take any job available, in a factory, in a shop, selling snacks on the street, whatever. Don't tell me the sexcam jobs are the only jobs available to them.

They do these jobs because they need the mon ey and these jobs pay better than what they can make elsewhere. At some moment they made the decision to take that job, the decision that this revenue was more important than their (theoretical) pride.

As long as the decision is the girl's to make, I see no scandal here.

Also, I find your approach consisting in comparing what one person makes compared to what the other makes disgusting. It is a view of jealousy-based socialism.

As long as one is paid above average and ok with the pay to do the job, it is irrelevant how much the boss makes, nobody needs some self-appointed jealous-socialist judges to tell how much more the boss is allowed to make.

That they are Swedes or of any other nationality is completely irrelevant.

[pedro01]

Every society needs poorer people who will have to accept jobs they are not fond of. It's normal.

From your point of view, taking one's clothes off is more degrading than other dirty jobs. It's your point of view - maybe you would agree to let the jobseeker decide what he would agree to do for what price.

I also do not agree on the "exploitation" you see in that situation.

The girls are free to take any job available, in a factory, in a shop, selling snacks on the street, whatever. Don't tell me the sexcam jobs are the only jobs available to them.

They do these jobs because they need the mon ey and these jobs pay better than what they can make elsewhere. At some moment they made the decision to take that job, the decision that this revenue was more important than their (theoretical) pride.

As long as the decision is the girl's to make, I see no scandal here.

Also, I find your approach consisting in comparing what one person makes compared to what the other makes disgusting. It is a view of jealousy-based socialism.

As long as one is paid above average and ok with the pay to do the job, it is irrelevant how much the boss makes, nobody needs some self-appointed jealous-socialist judges to tell how much more the boss is allowed to make.

That they are Swedes or of any other nationality is completely irrelevant.

Ok - so it's disgusting to consider the fact that a pimp makes 90% of the money and the girl makes 10%. That's jealousy based socialism is it?

Look - you feel fine having your daughter spread her legs for cash and you jump to the defence of pimps calling anyone that doesn't agree a "self-appointed jealous-socialist judge".

Let's settle on the following then shall we:

- "the girls love it"

- "exploitation is merely a healthy expression of capitalism"

- "anyone that disagrees is a racing commie"

[manarak]

Every society needs poorer people who will have to accept jobs they are not fond of. It's normal.

From your point of view, taking one's clothes off is more degrading than other dirty jobs. It's your point of view - maybe you would agree to let the jobseeker decide what he would agree to do for what price.

I also do not agree on the "exploitation" you see in that situation.

The girls are free to take any job available, in a factory, in a shop, selling snacks on the street, whatever. Don't tell me the sexcam jobs are the only jobs available to them.

They do these jobs because they need the mon ey and these jobs pay better than what they can make elsewhere. At some moment they made the decision to take that job, the decision that this revenue was more important than their (theoretical) pride.

As long as the decision is the girl's to make, I see no scandal here.

Also, I find your approach consisting in comparing what one person makes compared to what the other makes disgusting. It is a view of jealousy-based socialism.

As long as one is paid above average and ok with the pay to do the job, it is irrelevant how much the boss makes, nobody needs some self-appointed jealous-socialist judges to tell how much more the boss is allowed to make.

That they are Swedes or of any other nationality is completely irrelevant.

Ok - so it's disgusting to consider the fact that a pimp makes 90% of the money and the girl makes 10%. That's jealousy based socialism is it?

Look - you feel fine having your daughter spread her legs for cash and you jump to the defence of pimps calling anyone that doesn't agree a "self-appointed jealous-socialist judge".

Let's settle on the following then shall we:

- "the girls love it"

- "exploitation is merely a healthy expression of capitalism"

- "anyone that disagrees is a racing commie"

Exploitation has nothing to do with how much the boss makes, it depends on wether the employees are paid fairly in relation to their duties or not. If the employees are paid fairly and if they freely chose that job over other possible jobs, then there is no exploitation here.

The girls probably don't love it, but many other people in other jobs dont's love their jobs either.

You are blowing everything out of proportion because it is about S-E-X, admit it.

And if my daughter was to take such activity, I would probably be saddenend, try to dissuade her from doing it and help her finding other solutions.

BUT: I would not appeal to the government or the lawmakers to forbid that activity. That is against my belief in individual freedom.

And if my daughter decided to go on with against my advice, I wouldn't bust a nut over it as well. Freedom and family are too important.

[theajarn]

I don't have a lot of sympathy.

A couple of sexpats living off immoral earnings in a corrupt third world country.

I am not of the view that the services are necessarily bad in terms of the relationship between the girl and the viewer(s).

But when you stick a couple of pimps in the middle. Guys who are effectively taking advantage of the fact there's a lot of uneducated girls with very low earnings potential and making money off their sexual services - well - I'm all for very stiff sentences.

No different from all those guys in Pattaya getting a bar girl girlfriend, letting her prostitute herself out to westerners and living off the money. They are frowned upon by Thai sexpats but I have a feeling they will be a lot more forgiving of these two.

It's not too different either from the wealthier of the world's population - including almost everyone on this forum - who take advantages of the low wages of third world workers to enjoy low-priced consumer goods... Just about everything around you was made by some pitifully paid worker... maybe we should all go to jail.

Of course it is different.

Let's say your daughter had a choice of 2 jobs...

1 - working in a factory assembling PCB cards

2 - playing with a dildo on a webcam for horny westerners

Would you commend her on taking the latter, higher paid job? Or on having the self-respect to take the first one?

I would let her make her own choice -- son or daughter. When they reach a certain age, they WILL think for themselves. All I can do is guide them as best as I can before they reach that age. It's called FREEDOM OF CHOICE, and thankfully many humans have it.

I've met some people who have become VERY successful in their lives, but had to go through some form of prostitution in order to get to where they are now. These people now live rich and fulfilling lives, and have left their 'past' behind. Who are YOU to decide what THEY should do?

[Alfahane]

haha......errrrrr... against her own will?

Ever heard about girl being sold or taken from their parents as collateral? Going on everywhere in the world.

[Chicog]

Shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? Many Filipinos work for 100 to 200 pesos a day, roughly 70 to 140 baht. Sounds like these ladies were being well paid for being "naughty" on a web cam. No actual touching and the Sweedes get life?

The Ampatuan Massacre took place November 2009 and as far as I know there have been no convictions.. The Ampatuan Clan allegedly massacred 58 people, 34 were journalists, for challenging the clan's hold on political power in the upcomming 2010 elections.

What a travesty when masacres go unpunished, but two foreigners get life for facilitating encounters between consenting adults...

Have a look at the early episodes of "Vice". One of them followed the bloke whose papers were being taken for registration when that massacre occurred. He's standing again, but he's got a virtual army around him wherever he goes now.

Phils politics makes Thailand's look positively genteel!

[Spaniel]

I think they are a couple of scumbags and they got what they deserved.

[GAZZPA]

I don't have a lot of sympathy.

A couple of sexpats living off immoral earnings in a corrupt third world country.

I am not of the view that the services are necessarily bad in terms of the relationship between the girl and the viewer(s).

But when you stick a couple of pimps in the middle. Guys who are effectively taking advantage of the fact there's a lot of uneducated girls with very low earnings potential and making money off their sexual services - well - I'm all for very stiff sentences.

No different from all those guys in Pattaya getting a bar girl girlfriend, letting her prostitute herself out to westerners and living off the money. They are frowned upon by Thai sexpats but I have a feeling they will be a lot more forgiving of these two.

Immoral ? Oh... these Christian people.

Everybody is "Taking Advantage" of everybody in all business, if you want to look at it like that. Employee - Employer relationships.

If you don't, then look at it like this. These guys where not taking advantage of anybody, in fact they provided these girls with better/easier means to survive. Their other option would be to actually provide "services" (read: do nasty shit, often) to sexually repressed nationalities, like yourself.

And even if it's illegal, immoral or whatever, the charges against them don't fit the 'crime'.

Why is it you think only Christian people will find this immoral?

The working relationship between an employer and employee in a "moral" business is not comparable at all. I am sure there will be millions of women working in offices who will be happy to explain to you the difference between what they are doing and what those women were doing. Don't take my word for it, ask some women working in offices and see for yourself,, if you are brave enough.

Why do you think they gave the women better/easier means to survive? Do you think women have an easy time abandoning their dignity, or are you just referring to potential earnings? These women could have been conned into this job, felt trapped and had no means of escape. Also, they say that 19 women were there by consent, well perhaps they were too frightened to tell the truth because of terrible consequences. You know as much as what is written which is almost nothing.

Your comment (and your post) says more about your moral compass then what should happen to these guys.

When all is said and done, they committed a crime, got caught and now face the consequences of the country they committed the crime in. They should face punishment for sure. Is it too harsh? Maybe, probably, not sure but with what I have read I know I don't like them..

[GAZZPA]

Every society needs poorer people who will have to accept jobs they are not fond of. It's normal.

From your point of view, taking one's clothes off is more degrading than other dirty jobs. It's your point of view - maybe you would agree to let the jobseeker decide what he would agree to do for what price.

I also do not agree on the "exploitation" you see in that situation.

The girls are free to take any job available, in a factory, in a shop, selling snacks on the street, whatever. Don't tell me the sexcam jobs are the only jobs available to them.

They do these jobs because they need the mon ey and these jobs pay better than what they can make elsewhere. At some moment they made the decision to take that job, the decision that this revenue was more important than their (theoretical) pride.

As long as the decision is the girl's to make, I see no scandal here.

Also, I find your approach consisting in comparing what one person makes compared to what the other makes disgusting. It is a view of jealousy-based socialism.

As long as one is paid above average and ok with the pay to do the job, it is irrelevant how much the boss makes, nobody needs some self-appointed jealous-socialist judges to tell how much more the boss is allowed to make.

That they are Swedes or of any other nationality is completely irrelevant.

Ok - so it's disgusting to consider the fact that a pimp makes 90% of the money and the girl makes 10%. That's jealousy based socialism is it?

Look - you feel fine having your daughter spread her legs for cash and you jump to the defence of pimps calling anyone that doesn't agree a "self-appointed jealous-socialist judge".

Let's settle on the following then shall we:

- "the girls love it"

- "exploitation is merely a healthy expression of capitalism"

- "anyone that disagrees is a racing commie"

I am in agreement with you on this all the way. I am stunned by people on here saying that as fathers they would respect their daughters decision to enter the sex trade,, unbelievable! I would move heaven and earth and everything in between before I would let me daughter fall into that world. But she has choices and would never make that decision in her life, that's where we are lucky. Perhaps they should google "facts" about the sex trade, see what it is really about then decide if they would support their daughters decision in entering into it.

Freedom is only valuable if you have choice. This is the unfortunate scenario of developing countries with poorer people, low education and seemingly no way out. There will always be scumbags who exploit this situation for their own personal, financial gain and anyone who says they are offering the women a better life, or that the women are providing a service by keeping rapists off the streets is delusional.

These guys need to go to prison. Whether the sentence is too long or too severe I don't know because I don't know enough facts. Anyway, I am with you on this one...

[GAZZPA]

I am surprised at how many people are stating that there is no exploitation here. Perhaps some people have been engaging in sexual services of some kind and therefore convince themselves of some of the nonsense i have read such as "it's her choice" or "she has a better life this way" or even that "she probably enjoys it!" etc, etc..

These 2 guys are criminals, they may not control the ugly part of it such as coercing young, vulnerable girls from poor villages with false promises, but they are instrumental in it and they earn money from the exploitation. I don't know if the length of sentence is warranted because i am unsure of the exact circumstances. But they do need to be punished and go to prison regardless of the debate over how long.

For those who disagree and want to reply telling me how wrong I am and how the women probably do enjoy it and that they have a choice perhaps you should read the link i have posted and do a little bit of research in the reality of things. You will notice that there is no mention of christianity, catholocism, buddhism or any other religion or belief,, this is for those that posted the stupid generalization that only Christians have this view. This practice is universally despised by every nation, everywhere. If you think it isn't you are the minority.

So, lock the Swedish guys up, keep them there for the appropriate sentence and make an example of them.

http://www.worldvision.com.au/Libraries/DTL_fact_sheets/Factsheet_Sexual_exploitation.pdf

[FDog]

I didn't know there were so many monks on this site.

[GAZZPA]

I didn't know there were so many monks on this site.

I am just an ordinary guy, not a monk. Think really had and see if you can write something witty or insightful.

[Carioca]

I wondered my entire life when the powers would eradicate prostitution; they have managed to do it by relabeling it trafficking. I am SO happy that the politicians can now say that processing prostitution prosecutions is down worldwide and they are stamping out trafficking now. Not my job to be self righteous, but does anyone in their right mind actually think what happened to these two was okay? Just another example of everyone is now either a perpetrator or a victim. Even the innocent bystanders risk prosecution if they don't say the right things. Law enforcement run AMOK.

[pedro01]

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[pedro01]

Every society needs poorer people who will have to accept jobs they are not fond of. It's normal.

From your point of view, taking one's clothes off is more degrading than other dirty jobs. It's your point of view - maybe you would agree to let the jobseeker decide what he would agree to do for what price.

I also do not agree on the "exploitation" you see in that situation.

The girls are free to take any job available, in a factory, in a shop, selling snacks on the street, whatever. Don't tell me the sexcam jobs are the only jobs available to them.

They do these jobs because they need the mon ey and these jobs pay better than what they can make elsewhere. At some moment they made the decision to take that job, the decision that this revenue was more important than their (theoretical) pride.

As long as the decision is the girl's to make, I see no scandal here.

Also, I find your approach consisting in comparing what one person makes compared to what the other makes disgusting. It is a view of jealousy-based socialism.

As long as one is paid above average and ok with the pay to do the job, it is irrelevant how much the boss makes, nobody needs some self-appointed jealous-socialist judges to tell how much more the boss is allowed to make.

That they are Swedes or of any other nationality is completely irrelevant.

Ok - so it's disgusting to consider the fact that a pimp makes 90% of the money and the girl makes 10%. That's jealousy based socialism is it?

Look - you feel fine having your daughter spread her legs for cash and you jump to the defence of pimps calling anyone that doesn't agree a "self-appointed jealous-socialist judge".

Let's settle on the following then shall we:

- "the girls love it"

- "exploitation is merely a healthy expression of capitalism"

- "anyone that disagrees is a racing commie"

Exploitation has nothing to do with how much the boss makes, it depends on wether the employees are paid fairly in relation to their duties or not. If the employees are paid fairly and if they freely chose that job over other possible jobs, then there is no exploitation here.

The girls probably don't love it, but many other people in other jobs dont's love their jobs either.

You are blowing everything out of proportion because it is about S-E-X, admit it.

And if my daughter was to take such activity, I would probably be saddenend, try to dissuade her from doing it and help her finding other solutions.

BUT: I would not appeal to the government or the lawmakers to forbid that activity. That is against my belief in individual freedom.

And if my daughter decided to go on with against my advice, I wouldn't bust a nut over it as well. Freedom and family are too important.

So this is all about a fair days pay for a fair days work?

It's nice to see you backtrack from "youse are all commies" - but your simplistic capitalistic view of the sex trade does not play out in the real world.

The UK has approximately 12 prostitutes per 10,000 people and the PI has 90. By your measure, this would imply that prostitution in the UK pays LESS than an office job in the UK, I think you will find that the pay for prostitution is far HIGHER than office work in the UK, yet a much smaller percentage of girls go that route. This does not gel with your model because your model misses out the fact that the majority of women abhor this sort of work and do it when there's no other option. Of the UK girls that go that route up to 95% have serious drug issues and more than half have been raped/abused.

So even in the UK -most women that enter the flesh trade are making the decision because they have serious issues. Like I say - it's not choice, it is lack of choice.

You paint a picture that there's women just lined up to enter the sex trade if the money is right and that is just not the case.

In the UK it's drugs and in the PI it's poverty. The guys making money from the sex trade in PI are no different from the pimps making money from drug addicted girls in the UK.