Anti-Thaksin guards shot and wounded at Democracy Monument and Finance Min

[Emptyset]

Apparently one of the dek vans may have been beaten to death by the guards. Unconfirmed as of now though. This is supposedly a video of the incident:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtKMD9K1HkE&feature=youtu.be

[mikemac]

As usual speculations are the best sport on The Nation (and on TV forum)

What are you saying, that when the redshirts are accused of violence it is speculation and when the Anti corrupt government protesters are accused then it is fact ?

Edited December 6, 2013 by mikemac

[johnlandy]

this is getting more out of hand... maybe it's time to leave Bangkok for a while hope they get to resolve this before more lives are claimed...

Don't hold your breath (about it getting better) TIT

[brit1984]

such a sad waste... people giving their lives to help one corrupt guy take power from another...

if only those at the top would show half as much bravery by stopping this childish squabble

instead of blaming each other why doesn't one / both sides accept they need to change themselves...?

[hellodolly]

The nature of the injury of the guard who lost an arm seems to suggest he was about to hurl a bomb or throw it back to the attackers...

As to the persons suggesting this is the work of the reds, I would suggest to reconsider. The interest of Yingluck and the reds right now is to defuse the situation to avoid fuel coming to the protests. Considering these attackers seem mercenaries, I would suggest that they might be hired by the party having an interest in the government being unstable.

You really think Yingluck and the red shirts know what's good for them.

You must be new to Thailand politics.

[Calimotty]

this is getting more out of hand... maybe it's time to leave Bangkok for a while hope they get to resolve this before more lives are claimed...

Don't hold your breath (about it getting better) TIT

This is just the start and don't be surprised if some of your favorite drinking spots are next.

The reds under the bed are coming out to play.

Wise up.Sell up.Get out.

[HUAHIN62]

You ain't see nothing yet.

[hellodolly]

this is getting more out of hand... maybe it's time to leave Bangkok for a while hope they get to resolve this before more lives are claimed...

Don't hold your breath (about it getting better) TIT width=32 alt=coffee1.gif>

Check back on Thaksin's history you will find that a few lives is just chicken feed to him.

[Curt1591]

this is getting more out of hand... maybe it's time to leave Bangkok for a while hope they get to resolve this before more lives are claimed...

Don't hold your breath (about it getting better) TIT width=32 alt=coffee1.gif>

Check back on Thaksin's history you will find that a few lives is just chicken feed to him.

Are we referring to the famous thousands of extra-judicial drug killings?

[BigC]

Sorry but I have to ask because I don't know but what is a ping pong bomb?

Edited December 6, 2013 by BigC

[animatic]

One thing we do know from the last time a Anti-Thaksin rally was held for an extended length of time, the acts of violence to drive it off, did the exact opposite of the intention. The violence hardened the position of the protestors immeasurably, and the result is the government fell. It also shows the desperation to cling to power of some of those arrayed behind the 'puppet masters' front office stooges. This does not bode well for the short term in Thailand.

[BigC]

such a sad waste... people giving their lives to help one corrupt guy take power from another...

if only those at the top would show half as much bravery by stopping this childish squabble

instead of blaming each other why doesn't one / both sides accept they need to change themselves...?

Don't know what you mean, this situation has bee made because the current government change the laws to make everything that is illegal legal as it suites them but not the same for everyone else

This has to be stopped. People have to get us and do something about it.

The final straw was when they tried to change to law giving amnesty to all yingluks and Thaksin goons but not to anyone else

Abbist and Sutep have been charged with murder for deploying the army when the men in black were throwing grenades at the police and shooting people from roof tops

Not being funny but what would have happened of he did not call the army in?

Then you have the stupid bbc taking the red shirts side even though the police back in the UK shot an in armed man who had nothing to do with the bus bombings saying that Abbhist was wrong for calling in the army when bangkok was being attacked

[Suffinator]

Is it ever really going to change here? I doubt it and every couple of years one group or another will be aggravated enough to protest therefore turning violent. Best let them get on with it and when the country burns they can them blame all their woes and lack of any foreign investment on the farang.... as usual.

[Curt1591]

Just an update on those 'ping pong bombs':

Ekanat Prompan, spokesman of the anti-government People’s Democratic Reform Committee, said firecrackers were thrown into a group of protesters at the Finance Ministry, a rally site on Soi Aree, and about 40 motorcyclists drove near the rally site to create disturbances.

[Halion]

Oh! and exactly whee were the Thai police whom Yingluck has so often said in open forum that they had the responsibility to protect the demonstrators from rival factions. Thousands of police deployed and yet people can still find ways to carry weapons and exploding ping pong balls in these protected area. This is bullshit surely they mus of heard the expression that you can not be just a little bit pregnant

[tingtongteesood]

The Thaksin regime is trying to scare people from joining the renewed protests. People will see these reports and Thaksin hopes it will be enough to stop them from joining. Let's hope it has just the opposite effect...

[philw]

The nature of the injury of the guard who lost an arm seems to suggest he was about to hurl a bomb or throw it back to the attackers...

As to the persons suggesting this is the work of the reds, I would suggest to reconsider. The interest of Yingluck and the reds right now is to defuse the situation to avoid fuel coming to the protests. Considering these attackers seem mercenaries, I would suggest that they might be hired by the party having an interest in the government being unstable.

Too reasonable and logical for some on this forum.

Picture is of folks who might benefit from violence at this stage of developments..........

[Old Man River]

I don't know about anywhere else, but all around my neighborhood "ping pong bombs" were raining down like 'fireworks'.In fact, at 19:29 hours, it sounded like WWIII !

I hope no one was 'wounded'.

17:29 is exactly when fireworks started last night to honor the King's birthday.

[frimu]

So I guess we see where all the VIOLENCE comes from and it is not the anti-government protesters!

Just heard from an eye witness, that in Ramkhamhaeng the anti-government protesters started the violence.

But who cares? Everyone just wants to believe, what fits into his mindset the best!

[TheGhostWithin]

The nature of the injury of the guard who lost an arm seems to suggest he was about to hurl a bomb or throw it back to the attackers...

As to the persons suggesting this is the work of the reds, I would suggest to reconsider. The interest of Yingluck and the reds right now is to defuse the situation to avoid fuel coming to the protests. Considering these attackers seem mercenaries, I would suggest that they might be hired by the party having an interest in the government being unstable.

Not to be rude or impolite, but do you mind if I ask you how many of these coup de tat you have observed with interest here in the Kingdom?

The reason I ask is that my own personal observations have me understanding that the violence and death is only a small aspect of the "game" which is played. The game being, how many lives of your supporters, and how much of your personal "sinking fund" must be risked to crush your enemies either financially or politically. Very rarely are wars here won with guns blazing. When the first shots go off, you know it is either going to get worse than any other coup before, or the battle is already over.

It is also standard military training in most cases of VIP escort protection to dispose, diffuse or deflect (with your own body) anything which would likely harm the person(s) you are protecting. Your life as the courier is worth less than the package. I speak from experience but won't go into that any further in fear of certain members of the group spouting off for no reason.

I would say if the guard was throwing the grenade/live shell/firecracker back towards the attackers he was trying to kill two birds with one stone by protecting his own and attacking the enemy and was doing the right thing. ANd I would suggest that it is not the work of the Red Shirts either, but probably the work of the leader of the same organisational movement they fight for. PTP and the red shirts are part of a single unified movement, always have been and always will be.

[penwithcris]

On what basis would you consider 'impeachment' of Yingluck appropriate? She is Thailand's democratically elected Prime Minister who I cannot see has put a foot wrong in dealing with Suthep's rabble rousers

Clearly the protesters are becoming desperate, particularly at the admirable restraint being shown by government supporters and a rogue element of a handful of motorbike riders has been clearly paid by Suthep's supporters to try to smear the government

It is all so predictable

There is no justification for ANY of the demands on the government by the protesters to be met. There is a democratic system in place within which policies can be modified and, if necessary, changed

With Thailand's educational achievements lagging well behind those of it's S E Asian neighbours in the latest PISA tests instead of blowing whistles like infant school children students would be far better engaged in paying attention to their studies

Does anybody work in Thailand? Thousands seem able to abandon their labours at the drop of a hat

[brit1984]

such a sad waste... people giving their lives to help one corrupt guy take power from another...

if only those at the top would show half as much bravery by stopping this childish squabble

instead of blaming each other why doesn't one / both sides accept they need to change themselves...?

Don't know what you mean, this situation has bee made because the current government change the laws to make everything that is illegal legal as it suites them but not the same for everyone else

This has to be stopped. People have to get us and do something about it.

The final straw was when they tried to change to law giving amnesty to all yingluks and Thaksin goons but not to anyone else

Abbist and Sutep have been charged with murder for deploying the army when the men in black were throwing grenades at the police and shooting people from roof tops

Not being funny but what would have happened of he did not call the army in?

Then you have the stupid bbc taking the red shirts side even though the police back in the UK shot an in armed man who had nothing to do with the bus bombings saying that Abbhist was wrong for calling in the army when bangkok was being attacked

sometimes my 1-year old son slaps my 3-year daughter, if she tries to retaliate i break them up - she normally protests her innocence by saying words to the effect of "he started it" or "he's a naughty boy" but i tell her two wrongs don't make a right and that she should set a good example to her younger brother

likewise, the fact that yingluck (looks aside) is bad, does not mean overthrowing her by the force of "peaceful" protests is a sensible solution, rather it will inevitably lead to a continuation / escalation of the troubles

[fullcave]

Thai and Khmer hoodlums? Hmmm. Nope, just an innocent little game of golf…….

Since it was Thai and Khmer hoodlums, should we say Thaksin's third AND fourth hands...?

Seems Thaksin's third hand is becoming more active........

"Shots were fired and ping pong bombs were thrown at two protest sites of the anti-Thai regime demonstrators last night at the Democracy Monument and the Finance Ministry, wounding two security guards and a youth."

"Five Cambodians have been arrested by protest guards at Ratchadamnoen Avenue for allegedly attempting to torch the protest stage on December 5 on the occasion of His Majesty the Kings birthday."

"Motorcycle-mounted assailants shoot anti-government protester guards at Finance Ministry, 1 wounded; bomb hurled at Khok Wua Intersection, 2 wounded /MCOT"

Edited December 6, 2013 by fullcave

[brit1984]

Why don't they just put a sniper on to Suthep and get rid of the loony?

a new loony would be along shortly after with even more loony followers

[bigbamboo]

Why don't they just put a sniper on to Suthep and get rid of the loony?

Who is 'they'? Thaksin? Yingluck?

Don't you think Thaksin has enough charges hanging over him already without adding another murder rap to the sheet? And I doubt Yingluck wants to end up in court with Abhisit and Suthep either.

Edited December 6, 2013 by bigbamboo

[fab4]

Seems Thaksin's third hand is becoming more active........

"Shots were fired and ping pong bombs were thrown at two protest sites of the anti-Thai regime demonstrators last night at the Democracy Monument and the Finance Ministry, wounding two security guards and a youth."

"Five Cambodians have been arrested by protest guards at Ratchadamnoen Avenue for allegedly attempting to torch the protest stage on December 5 on the occasion of His Majesty the King’s birthday."

"Motorcycle-mounted assailants shoot anti-government protester guards at Finance Ministry, 1 wounded; bomb hurled at Khok Wua Intersection, 2 wounded /MCOT"

Plenty of proof there Waza? Or just your usual knee jerk reaction, it's the reds, its the reds!

[harrry]

Apparently one of the dek vans may have been beaten to death by the guards. Unconfirmed as of now though. This is supposedly a video of the incident:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtKMD9K1HkE&feature=youtu.be

I note this was removed by you tube as meant to harass or intimidate. You tube should at least admit when it plays politics.

[scorecard]

The nature of the injury of the guard who lost an arm seems to suggest he was about to hurl a bomb or throw it back to the attackers...

As to the persons suggesting this is the work of the reds, I would suggest to reconsider. The interest of Yingluck and the reds right now is to defuse the situation to avoid fuel coming to the protests. Considering these attackers seem mercenaries, I would suggest that they might be hired by the party having an interest in the government being unstable.

Not to be rude or impolite, but do you mind if I ask you how many of these coup de tat you have observed with interest here in the Kingdom?

The reason I ask is that my own personal observations have me understanding that the violence and death is only a small aspect of the "game" which is played. The game being, how many lives of your supporters, and how much of your personal "sinking fund" must be risked to crush your enemies either financially or politically. Very rarely are wars here won with guns blazing. When the first shots go off, you know it is either going to get worse than any other coup before, or the battle is already over.

It is also standard military training in most cases of VIP escort protection to dispose, diffuse or deflect (with your own body) anything which would likely harm the person(s) you are protecting. Your life as the courier is worth less than the package. I speak from experience but won't go into that any further in fear of certain members of the group spouting off for no reason.

I would say if the guard was throwing the grenade/live shell/firecracker back towards the attackers he was trying to kill two birds with one stone by protecting his own and attacking the enemy and was doing the right thing. ANd I would suggest that it is not the work of the Red Shirts either, but probably the work of the leader of the same organisational movement they fight for. PTP and the red shirts are part of a single unified movement, always have been and always will be.

?

[BigC]

 

such a sad waste... people giving their lives to help one corrupt guy take power from another...

 

if only those at the top would show half as much bravery by stopping this childish squabble

 

instead of blaming each other why doesn't one / both sides accept they need to change themselves...?

Don't know what you mean, this situation has bee made because the current government change the laws to make everything that is illegal legal as it suites them but not the same for everyone else

This has to be stopped. People have to get us and do something about it.

The final straw was when they tried to change to law giving amnesty to all yingluks and Thaksin goons but not to anyone else

Abbist and Sutep have been charged with murder for deploying the army when the men in black were throwing grenades at the police and shooting people from roof tops

Not being funny but what would have happened of he did not call the army in?

Then you have the stupid bbc taking the red shirts side even though the police back in the UK shot an in armed man who had nothing to do with the bus bombings saying that Abbhist was wrong for calling in the army when bangkok was being attacked

 

sometimes my 1-year old son slaps my 3-year daughter, if she tries to retaliate i break them up - she normally protests her innocence by saying words to the effect of "he started it" or "he's a naughty boy" but i tell her two wrongs don't make a right and that she should set a good example to her younger brother

 

likewise, the fact that yingluck (looks aside) is bad, does not mean overthrowing her by the force of "peaceful" protests is a sensible solution, rather it will inevitably lead to a continuation / escalation of the troubles

The only thing you are teaching your kids is to get bullied. In real life if someone hits you and you don't hit them back twice as hard then you become the victim

I always teach my kids. If someone hits you that smack them back harder!

How would you go about over throwing a dictator policy. I am open to suggestions really

Thaksin ragieam is that based on dictatorship

Everyone knows you can only over through a dictator by force. Look at Iraq , Lebia, cyria, Iran ( if they could )

Your are clouded by a dream of democracy working to help the people unfortunately you are miss lead this power has been using democracy to manipulate for their own selfish reasons

So they have the attitude that they can invest their corrupt money into buying votes then changing the laws so no one can touch them and they can do anything. That behavior has to be stopped

Why is it that you se a bit of news and all of a sudden all of is forangs reckon we are an expert of Thai politics and Thai behavior plus the way they think and do things

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[fab4]

The nature of the injury of the guard who lost an arm seems to suggest he was about to hurl a bomb or throw it back to the attackers...

As to the persons suggesting this is the work of the reds, I would suggest to reconsider. The interest of Yingluck and the reds right now is to defuse the situation to avoid fuel coming to the protests. Considering these attackers seem mercenaries, I would suggest that they might be hired by the party having an interest in the government being unstable.

Too reasonable and logical for some on this forum.

Picture is of folks who might benefit from violence at this stage of developments..........

You missed one, philw, our old friend whose initials begin with " S "