ThaiVisa is no fun anymore - full of trolls, whackos, haters and MOGs

[hanno]

On every forum, someone will inevitably come along, saying how much better everything was 10 (or 5, or 25) years ago...... I guess a lot of people get grumpy and intolerant as they get older

Methinks the older more established members are the least of the problem. Take your post for example, it contains a stereotype characteristic reference to older people, this in a thread that discusses an older members dissatisfaction with posting behavior, could that not be construed as a troll like post?

Stereotyping? Why? Getting older can mean 20, 30, 40,...... Besides, I would certainly put myself in the "older" bracket. And I have been a member for 10 years but I disagree that everything has gotten worse on this forum; I do not think it has changed much.

[chiang mai]

On every forum, someone will inevitably come along, saying how much better everything was 10 (or 5, or 25) years ago...... I guess a lot of people get grumpy and intolerant as they get older

Methinks the older more established members are the least of the problem. Take your post for example, it contains a stereotype characteristic reference to older people, this in a thread that discusses an older members dissatisfaction with posting behavior, could that not be construed as a troll like post?

Stereotyping? Why? Getting older can mean 20, 30, 40,...... Besides, I would certainly put myself in the "older" bracket. And I have been a member for 10 years but I disagree that everything has gotten worse on this forum; I do not think it has changed much.

You see my point about the interpretation of posts however?

[ttthailand]

If there was one thing I would change about TV it is adding a "Not Like" . This way people can see that what they are saying is not what other people agree with. Some people say nasty stuff or stupid things and because they get little or no negative feedback they convince themselves that it is correct. And display the number of likes and dislikes

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A 'not like' function can be used malevolently, I believe this is why such a function was never implemented or removed (If I remember correctly)

totster

Negative feedback through messages is much stronger than a few " dislikes" . Some people including myself don't want to waste time on commenting but would be happy to click " dislike" to show my feeling. Again, it would act as a sounding board to those posting ... But perhaps TV wants to get those posts to show more activity for its advertisers.... Just my thought

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[Totster]

If there was one thing I would change about TV it is adding a "Not Like" . This way people can see that what they are saying is not what other people agree with. Some people say nasty stuff or stupid things and because they get little or no negative feedback they convince themselves that it is correct. And display the number of likes and dislikes

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A 'not like' function can be used malevolently, I believe this is why such a function was never implemented or removed (If I remember correctly)

totster

Negative feedback through messages is much stronger than a few " dislikes" . Some people including myself don't want to waste time on commenting but would be happy to click " dislike" to show my feeling. Again, it would act as a sounding board to those posting ... But perhaps TV wants to get those posts to show more activity for its advertisers.... Just my thought

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The problem with the 'dislike' button is that is can be misused, as I outlined in my previous post.

Personally, I think if you don't like a troll post/flame then don't reply or acknowledge it.. trolls need an audience..

totster

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I could never understand how the total number of posts correlates to anything useful.

Surely this just encourages people to post endless inane dribble.

I wish it were Quality not Quantity.

Edited February 20, 2014 by jackflash

[chiang mai]

If there was one thing I would change about TV it is adding a "Not Like" . This way people can see that what they are saying is not what other people agree with. Some people say nasty stuff or stupid things and because they get little or no negative feedback they convince themselves that it is correct. And display the number of likes and dislikes

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A 'not like' function can be used malevolently, I believe this is why such a function was never implemented or removed (If I remember correctly)

totster

Negative feedback through messages is much stronger than a few " dislikes" . Some people including myself don't want to waste time on commenting but would be happy to click " dislike" to show my feeling. Again, it would act as a sounding board to those posting ... But perhaps TV wants to get those posts to show more activity for its advertisers.... Just my thought

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The problem with the 'dislike' button is that is can be misused, as I outlined in my previous post.

Personally, I think if you don't like a troll post/flame then don't reply or acknowledge it.. trolls need an audience..

totster

No more so than the "like" button.

[Totster]

The problem with the 'dislike' button is that is can be misused, as I outlined in my previous post.

Personally, I think if you don't like a troll post/flame then don't reply or acknowledge it.. trolls need an audience..

totster

No more so than the "like" button.

The 'like' button is less likely to be used maliciously and will cause less harm than an malicious negative response.

totster

[Thaddeus]

If there was one thing I would change about TV it is adding a "Not Like" . This way people can see that what they are saying is not what other people agree with. Some people say nasty stuff or stupid things and because they get little or no negative feedback they convince themselves that it is correct. And display the number of likes and dislikes

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A 'not like' function can be used malevolently, I believe this is why such a function was never implemented or removed (If I remember correctly)

totster

Part of a post I made in a hidden place..............

I have had 'likes' from members that I have, let's just say, minor disagreements with, and in turn, I have 'liked' some of their posts..... despite some members efforts, it is impossible to be despicable all the time (save a couple)

When the 'dislike' feature was enabled, it was just a blood-bath of negative feelings by some about the posters and not the content of their posts.

The current situation is not perfect, but it is the best that has been tried so far.

[Tywais]

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I could never understand how the total number of posts correlates to anything useful.

Surely this just encourages people to post endless inane dribble.

I wish it were Quality not Quantity.

Yes, but the system doesn't support negative numbers.

[sms747]

I don't think it was ever 'fun' it is however a very good source of info on various topics, including immigration and health.

[A1Str8]

I think it is more fun than it was before for the very reason that it is full of bitter folks.

They amuse me man, let them be.

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[impulse]

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I could never understand how the total number of posts correlates to anything useful.

Surely this just encourages people to post endless inane dribble.

I wish it were Quality not Quantity.

Yes, but the system doesn't support negative numbers.

Sure, give everyone 10,000 to start and when they're down to zero, lock out their IP address.

I give some of these guys a week....

Edited February 20, 2014 by impulse

[ford8]

Maybe an exclusive sub section by invitation only to the polite, educated, informative posters. Or a new forum?

[Totster]

Maybe an exclusive sub section by invitation only to the polite, educated, informative posters. Or a new forum?

Ah well... oops, i'm saying nothing..

totster

[Showbags]

What is going to happen when there is not enough mods in the world to work for free ?

[chiang mai]

Maybe an exclusive sub section by invitation only to the polite, educated, informative posters. Or a new forum?

Sort of a ThaVisa Black kinda thing? Might work, but how do you screen candidate members, checking for a pulse and traces of functioning brain cells would both go a long way to upping the average IQ level.

Or what about a paid for service, truly a TV Black, pay one (low) annual fee and gain access to all manner of expert intel re. Thailand?

[Familyonthemove]

Perhaps the demise of TV is a reflection of the types of expats now moving to Thailand?

People who move early to underdeveloped countries or set up businesses in challenging markets tend to be open minded adventurers - whereas those who follow ......

But I think TV is doomed as all forums are now dominated by petty argument - even a thread on where to go shopping in Bangkok has just degenerated into a silly OT argument over semantics.

[MB1]

The political events seems to have spawned a large number of haters (on all political sides) in the news forum.

My particular 'whinge' is where the names of politicians or events are changed to create an insulting or childish word or phrase. I thought this was not allowed by forum rules, yet it happens all the time.

Why can't people address the politician by his/her correct name? It is so childish and makes me feel like I am reading a schoolboy magazine.

Simon the press give the politicians nick names in Thailand and the world over, maybe you need to have a long hard look and question yourself ?..

"Am I turning into a grumpy old man"

"How long have I been a grumpy old man"

"Have I been on Thai Visa too long"

"Has Thailand turned me into a grumpy old man"

"Do I need to find another hobby to keep me from moaning on Thai Visa"

HTH Simon..

[transam]

I like being a whacko, keeps me sane...........Makes noooooooooooo difference with Mrs.Trans though.......

[Maestro]

...But I think TV is doomed as all forums are now dominated by petty argument - even a thread on where to go shopping in Bangkok has just degenerated into a silly OT argument over semantics.

Too late to go to that topic now. It has been cleaned up and this could have been done earlier if Familyonthemove had reported the first post of the "silly OT argument over semantics" the moment he saw it. QED.

[Familyonthemove]

...But I think TV is doomed as all forums are now dominated by petty argument - even a thread on where to go shopping in Bangkok has just degenerated into a silly OT argument over semantics.

Too late to go to that topic now. It has been cleaned up and this could have been done earlier if Familyonthemove had reported the first post of the "silly OT argument over semantics" the moment he saw it. QED.

Fair cop - I never think to report the arguments and tend to just move on once a thread gets in to a circular argument.

But the hard working mods do seem to have a job on their hands as the points made by the OP do seem to be valid.

[Maestro]

Seconded, and I agree that it is the natural instinct just to move on, unless one has a serious interest in the topic and for this reason would not like to see it littered with off-topic posts or troll posts of any other nature.

[HooHaa]

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I could never understand how the total number of posts correlates to anything useful.

Surely this just encourages people to post endless inane dribble.

I wish it were Quality not Quantity.

FYI it is drivel, not dribble.

dribble runs down a geriatrics chin.

[chiang mai]

Whereas drivel is typically spouted by many of the younger brigade.

[HooHaa]

Maybe an exclusive sub section by invitation only to the polite, educated, informative posters. Or a new forum?

Sort of a ThaVisa Black kinda thing? Might work, but how do you screen candidate members, checking for a pulse and traces of functioning brain cells would both go a long way to upping the average IQ level.

Or what about a paid for service, truly a TV Black, pay one (low) annual fee and gain access to all manner of expert intel re. Thailand?

yes indeed, who wouldn't pay more for a watered down, heavily censored and sanitized version of the original?

Perhaps pay per post would be an even better idea, then we would only have posts from people who stand behind their words enough to pay seem them online.

Edited February 21, 2014 by HooHaa

[harrry]

Maybe an exclusive sub section by invitation only to the polite, educated, informative posters. Or a new forum?

Sort of a ThaVisa Black kinda thing? Might work, but how do you screen candidate members, checking for a pulse and traces of functioning brain cells would both go a long way to upping the average IQ level.

Or what about a paid for service, truly a TV Black, pay one (low) annual fee and gain access to all manner of expert intel re. Thailand?

yes indeed, who wouldn't pay more for a watered down, heavily censored and sanitized version of the original?

Perhaps pay per post would be an even better idea, then we would only have posts from people who stand behind their words enough to pay seem them online.

Well some people do pay for FOX

[MB1]

Whereas drivel is typically spouted by many of the younger brigade.

Sorry to have to tell you this Changmai but in my experience of time spent in Thailand in well over ten years, the most drivel I have heard over the years in Thailand has been spouted by the I know it all grumpy old man brigade.....

"here sonny pull up a sandbag and let me tell you a story"

[Maestro]

Now, unless somebody can come up with a good argument that posting drivel equates trolling this dribble/drivel discussion will have to be nipped in the bud. Let's hear the arguments, always in the context of Thaivisa's definition of trolling:

5) Not to post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling.Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

[Maestro]

Removed a troll post about a wife dancing on the table.

[simon43]

Simon the press give the politicians nick names in Thailand

Huh? You are telling me that The Nation or BKK Post refer to Abisit as Abish*t? Or some of the abusive names for Thaksin? I don't think so. They are created by childish members of this forum.

Happily for me, having familiarised myself with the ignore function, I am rapidly adding those many members to my ignore list - I am quite happy if they reciprocate

Simon