Tens of thousands of farmers in hundreds of farm trucks heading to Bangkok

[iancnx]

I wonder how these poor farmers pay for their beautiful tractors?

As I pointed out in an earlier post, you can own one on very favourable finance terms for a few thousand baht a month, from memory over 72 months. Also from memory the smallest Kobota is @500,000 baht. Work out the math and wonder no more.

A smart guy can sub contract out his tractor on a daily rate very very easily and recoup the few thousand repayments in less than a week, though granted, work is seasonal!

So any suggestion of some kind of conspirtal support for buying new tractors is really Alice in Wonderland stuff.

Edited February 20, 2014 by iancnx

[tobf16]

Billsmart:

''The Thai's are used to their leaders skimming off the top. That's the way their whole village/tribal governmental system has worked for centuries. It was much like the feudal lords of Europe. A certain amount of tribute (now called corruption) is to be expected. The Redshirts are patrons of the farmers and working poor. The Yellowshirts are patrons of the elite. Those farmers who still now support the Redshirts are just following the old adage of: "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't".

But it looks like the farmers didn't get what they expected from the last Devil, and they didn't know that Devil after all, so now they are on their way to BKK to make the voice heard, if they will be allowed to do so for the Redshirt patrons as you call them trying to stop them during their travel.

Let's hope they will be more lucky with their next choice of Devil or maybe they should not choose a Devil at all.

[allan michaud]

Nothing to see here! Just a bunch of fake farmers... (written with tongue firmly in cheek)

[Neurath]

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RT @RichardBarrow: 11:30am This is what is heading to #Bangkok; 100’s of farmers & their tractors. Now in Ang Thong (Pic @CrDNnews) http://t.co/gulQbf5Soy

Just a thought if these farmers are so poor and skint whos paying for all the fuel ? tractors are not that fuel efficient and its a long way to bangers and back. im no expert on tractor mpg but its got to be pretty awful and expensive on a round trip.

And why do all the tractors look like they came from exactly the same place or hire firm ?

1. These tractors are pretty standard and standardized. Same manufacturer and probably the same outlet

2. The protesters think it looks better to put those that look the same together at the front. You know, more professional, more serious, more pretty and just riep roi.

3. Some of the money collected by PDRC was specifically allocated to farmers groups to allow them to protest (and legal fees)

Most usually it's supporters of Phua Thai and it's predecessors that accuse the other side of being elitest and derogatory for saying that farmers are paid to vote. Apparently it's becoming OK for supporters of Phua Thai to say that farmers are being paid to protest against them. Any port in a storm it seems.

Nation: Tens of thousands of farmers

Richard Barrow: 100's of farmers.

Look, 2 people per tractor, 100 tractors, we're talking 200 people, so Richard Barrow estimate is reasonable.

10000 people in 100 trucks = 100 people per truck and tractor, so Nation are wrong, you couldn't get 100 people in a tractor.

38.2% of Thailand is rural agriculture. i.e. about 26 million people.

200 people = 0.0008% of Thailands rural agricultural population.

So dear Suthep, you raised 20 million baht and organized a protest for farmers, and you got 0.0008% of Thailands rural population to back you.

But worse than Suthep, you want to put 400 people in power with your people's council, but bring a convoy of 200 people as justification!

Seems to me that a big part of the problem with the rice scheme is that the governmnent was seriously deficient in numeracy. Looks to me like some of the supporters might be also.

[slapout]

The Government has been trying to pay the farmers for months, The EC said they could not borrow money because it would be a carry-over to the next government, but the debt would still carry over to the next government.

Suthep has been putting pressure on the banks not to lend money to pay the farmers, he then led several marches to raise money to pay the farmers and then kept the money.

When the GSB lent money to pay the farmers Suthep organised a small group of people to withdraw money in his heartland of Trang and publisised it as a run on the bank which caused a real run on the bank. So then the GSB had to withdraw the loan.

I feel the rice pledging scheme has been a complete cluster fuc_k but the reasons for the payments (that were already late) now stopping completely can be laid at the door of the protesters rather than the goverment.

First, can you show documentation (proof) of Suthep keeping (pocketing) monies?

Second, The protester drew attention as to the methods being used by the government to circumvent the EC ruling, which some alledge are illegal.

Third, the government itself and its rice program, with all its warts may be accepted IF they could/would account for about 700 billion baht, 40+ million ton of paddy, involving blacklisted storage facilities, over 100 billion in adminstration fees, the promised inventory involving Cammerce Ministers and Interior Minster . etc.

Forth, this government has told so many outright lies that their crediability has sunk to to a minus factor in belief, so the source of any and all info being thrown around should be suspect.

[Soutpeel]

Nothing to see here! Just a bunch of fake farmers... (written with tongue firmly in cheek)

fake farmers, driving fake tractors, to get money for fake rice from a fake goverment which has with a fake PM

(yes tongue in cheek as well, before some of TV finest members start huffing and puffing)

[allan michaud]

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RT @RichardBarrow: 11:30am This is what is heading to #Bangkok; 100’s of farmers & their tractors. Now in Ang Thong (Pic @CrDNnews) http://t.co/gulQbf5Soy

Just a thought if these farmers are so poor and skint whos paying for all the fuel ? tractors are not that fuel efficient and its a long way to bangers and back. im no expert on tractor mpg but its got to be pretty awful and expensive on a round trip.

And why do all the tractors look like they came from exactly the same place or hire firm ?

1. These tractors are pretty standard and standardized. Same manufacturer and probably the same outlet

2. The protesters think it looks better to put those that look the same together at the front. You know, more professional, more serious, more pretty and just riep roi.

3. Some of the money collected by PDRC was specifically allocated to farmers groups to allow them to protest (and legal fees)

Most usually it's supporters of Phua Thai and it's predecessors that accuse the other side of being elitest and derogatory for saying that farmers are paid to vote. Apparently it's becoming OK for supporters of Phua Thai to say that farmers are being paid to protest against them. Any port in a storm it seems.

Nation: Tens of thousands of farmers

Richard Barrow: 100's of farmers.

Look, 2 people per tractor, 100 tractors, we're talking 200 people, so Richard Barrow estimate is reasonable.

10000 people in 100 trucks = 100 people per truck and tractor, so Nation are wrong, you couldn't get 100 people in a tractor.

38.2% of Thailand is rural agriculture. i.e. about 26 million people.

200 people = 0.0008% of Thailands rural agricultural population.

So dear Suthep, you raised 20 million baht and organized a protest for farmers, and you got 0.0008% of Thailands rural population to back you.

But worse than Suthep, you want to put 400 people in power with your people's council, but bring a convoy of 200 people as justification!

Who can make the most outrageous claim? You or the Nation. Clearly 10,000 is way over the top, but similarly your claim of 200 is farcical. Realistically there are probably upwards of 2,000 people judging by the fact that the tractors are mostly pulling carts with people in them.

[finnomick]

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Where I live the are just now planting a new crop of rice while these farmers and protesting who planting the rice? No wonder their poor.

There poor because they haven't been paid for their Rice ! .....

There's always one, isn't there ?

[iancnx]

The Government has been trying to pay the farmers for months, The EC said they could not borrow money because it would be a carry-over to the next government, but the debt would still carry over to the next government.

Suthep has been putting pressure on the banks not to lend money to pay the farmers, he then led several marches to raise money to pay the farmers and then kept the money.

When the GSB lent money to pay the farmers Suthep organised a small group of people to withdraw money in his heartland of Trang and publisised it as a run on the bank which caused a real run on the bank. So then the GSB had to withdraw the loan.

I feel the rice pledging scheme has been a complete cluster fuc_k but the reasons for the payments (that were already late) now stopping completely can be laid at the door of the protesters rather than the goverment.

First, can you show documentation (proof) of Suthep keeping (pocketing) monies?

Second, The protester drew attention as to the methods being used by the government to circumvent the EC ruling, which some alledge are illegal.

Third, the government itself and its rice program, with all its warts may be accepted IF they could/would account for about 700 billion baht, 40+ million ton of paddy, involving blacklisted storage facilities, over 100 billion in adminstration fees, the promised inventory involving Cammerce Ministers and Interior Minster . etc.

Forth, this government has told so many outright lies that their crediability has sunk to to a minus factor in belief, so the source of any and all info being thrown around should be suspect.

And fifth, if I may be so bold, the Kobota Army is heading south (not North) of their own volition. If proof was ever needed that red support is diminished to the point of no return then look no further.

[philw]

This is a major event. All lanes on the highway are being occupied as tens of thousands of farmers form their steady stream to Bangkok. The UDD has now switched roles. They now stop the farmers along the way, trying to deter them - something that should surprise no one. The incident with the Pheu Thai MP is indicative of a party allegiance suddenly being withdrawn when their own status quo ( i.e. money, power, and influence ) is threatened. Yet another headache for Chalerm and the administration. The people will have their say. And the farmers' argument is undeniably just. It's truly power to the people. Thida and Jataporn can suck a lemon.

Love it.

Do you recall how AV and Suthep made it illegal for farm vehicles to travel on the roads in 2010 in order to prevent red shirts going to Bangkok ??

The people of BKK did not want all those smelly spluttering iron donkeys in their city.

Yingluck's team allow free passage when the Democrats would not.

You are correct when you say "the people will have their say" but you forget, " in an election............"

Please tell me about the "reform" proposals.

What are they ???

Do you have any idea ???

if so, please enlighten me.

[tobf16]

English oak

Hire Purchase or HP is an old Brit term for vehicle financing. A farmer can get one of these Kobota as for a few thousand per month. He then hires it out to fellow farmers on an as needed basis for ploughing fields etc.

You are crazy if you think they are daily hired for this protest, that is just not possible in the market place I am aware of.

Im not crazy just clueless about farming and machinery financing is all. Thank you for a decent answer, unlike some other bozos here cheering these guys not getting paid when it suits them I would just like to see them sorted first and argue about the legality on court and hang people after for it.

So im going to ask another stupid question or two how much you estimate cost to have a 500 or so km round trip ? no ones answered that yet

And second dumb question wouldnt the pick up be far far more cost effective for skint farmers to use than a tractor and a lot more manpower to protest with let alone agile to go from A - B in bkk like weve seen before and just what will a load of tractor achieve more than a shed load of farmers in trucks ?

Don't laugh all you would be plastic farmers im sure theres businesses you wouldnt have a clue about or would be able to cost too. A real farmer would know the costing answer and the reasoning behind this tractor show over the usual trucks without being a smart alec

Without being an expect in demonstrations, I do believe a tractor with a shovel in front would be better to remove a police barrier and the people behind it than a pick up truck.

Also, for hard core Redshirts along the route trying to stop them, a truck is a lot easier to stop than a tractor

I also believe the police will know that, so that maybe could be the answer to your question.

[Dr Bruce]

The Government has been trying to pay the farmers for months, The EC said they could not borrow money because it would be a carry-over to the next government, but the debt would still carry over to the next government.

Suthep has been putting pressure on the banks not to lend money to pay the farmers, he then led several marches to raise money to pay the farmers and then kept the money.

When the GSB lent money to pay the farmers Suthep organised a small group of people to withdraw money in his heartland of Trang and publisised it as a run on the bank which caused a real run on the bank. So then the GSB had to withdraw the loan.

I feel the rice pledging scheme has been a complete cluster fuc_k but the reasons for the payments (that were already late) now stopping completely can be laid at the door of the protesters rather than the goverment.

First, can you show documentation (proof) of Suthep keeping (pocketing) monies?

Second, The protester drew attention as to the methods being used by the government to circumvent the EC ruling, which some alledge are illegal.

Third, the government itself and its rice program, with all its warts may be accepted IF they could/would account for about 700 billion baht, 40+ million ton of paddy, involving blacklisted storage facilities, over 100 billion in adminstration fees, the promised inventory involving Cammerce Ministers and Interior Minster . etc.

Forth, this government has told so many outright lies that their crediability has sunk to to a minus factor in belief, so the source of any and all info being thrown around should be suspect.

If Suthep had given any of the millions he collected to the farmers, he would have done it publicly.

The elected government has tried many ways to pay the farmers recently which have all been blocked by Suthep or the courts.

At least we agree that the rice pledging scheme is a failure.

[scorecard]

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The Government has been trying to pay the farmers for months, The EC said they could not borrow money because it would be a carry-over to the next government, but the debt would still carry over to the next government.

Suthep has been putting pressure on the banks not to lend money to pay the farmers, he then led several marches to raise money to pay the farmers and then kept the money.

When the GSB lent money to pay the farmers Suthep organised a small group of people to withdraw money in his heartland of Trang and publisised it as a run on the bank which caused a real run on the bank. So then the GSB had to withdraw the loan.

I feel the rice pledging scheme has been a complete cluster fuc_k but the reasons for the payments (that were already late) now stopping completely can be laid at the door of the protesters rather than the goverment.

First, can you show documentation (proof) of Suthep keeping (pocketing) monies?

Second, The protester drew attention as to the methods being used by the government to circumvent the EC ruling, which some alledge are illegal.

Third, the government itself and its rice program, with all its warts may be accepted IF they could/would account for about 700 billion baht, 40+ million ton of paddy, involving blacklisted storage facilities, over 100 billion in adminstration fees, the promised inventory involving Cammerce Ministers and Interior Minster . etc.

Forth, this government has told so many outright lies that their crediability has sunk to to a minus factor in belief, so the source of any and all info being thrown around should be suspect.

If Suthep had given any of the millions he collected to the farmers, he would have done it publicly.

The elected government has tried many ways to pay the farmers recently which have all been blocked by Suthep or the courts.

At least we agree that the rice pledging scheme is a failure.

"If Suthep had given any of the millions he collected to the farmers, he would have done it publicly".

In the last week or so the handover of the money collected has been mentioned many times in the media.

[Baerboxer]

RT @RichardBarrow: 11:30am This is what is heading to #Bangkok; 100’s of farmers & their tractors. Now in Ang Thong (Pic @CrDNnews) http://t.co/gulQbf5Soy

Just a thought if these farmers are so poor and skint whos paying for all the fuel ? tractors are not that fuel efficient and its a long way to bangers and back. im no expert on tractor mpg but its got to be pretty awful and expensive on a round trip.

And why do all the tractors look like they came from exactly the same place or hire firm ?

You obviously are a town or city dweller.

They all look the same as that is the colour they come from the Kubota factory. Yanmar tractors are red and Ford tractors are blue.

Don't you know anything about farmers and the countryside?

Next he will say that all the flags look the same and wonder if they all came from the same factory or hire firm.

All his "questions" are worded to make you think "oh gosh, those naughty anti-government protesters and their rich elite hiso backers must be paying for all this. Otherwise the farmers would be too poor". He thinks he's being clever.

Of course, he conveniently forgets that PT owe payments for several months, have constantly lied to the farmers about paying them, and can't account for around 500 billion baht and fake G2G deals.

No, whose paying for the diesel is much more relevant to the farmers plight in his eyes.

[winstonc]

It be interesting to see what they do when they get to know that PDRC and EC and bankunions

have block there payments....WOW. They are 1 million...

it was the banks that blocked it....who were you before is the real question...you know your lying

[montrii]

Where I live the are just now planting a new crop of rice while these farmers and protesting who planting the rice? No wonder their poor.

In my wife's village, which is 100% red shirt, most have not been paid and have no money to buy supplies for a new crop. Many owe money to illegal money lenders and are in dire straights.

Same for my wife's family. The whole village is in financial dire straights. Nobody there has any money. But STILL they vote for the Shinawatra clan. In the Sunday election a couple of weeks ago my wife was intimidated into voting. She said there would be "problems" if she didn't go back to the village to cast her vote.

Same in my wife's village. It's crazy, but they hate the dems more than they hate the PTP. They are still loyal to the Shin clan even they they are getting screwed and still living below the poverty line.

Reminds me a bit of crackers in the "red states" in the U.S. Vote against their self-interest, nothing seems to shake that.

[Patpending]

The Government has been trying to pay the farmers for months, The EC said they could not borrow money because it would be a carry-over to the next government, but the debt would still carry over to the next government.

Suthep has been putting pressure on the banks not to lend money to pay the farmers, he then led several marches to raise money to pay the farmers and then kept the money.

When the GSB lent money to pay the farmers Suthep organised a small group of people to withdraw money in his heartland of Trang and publisised it as a run on the bank which caused a real run on the bank. So then the GSB had to withdraw the loan.

I feel the rice pledging scheme has been a complete cluster fuc_k but the reasons for the payments (that were already late) now stopping completely can be laid at the door of the protesters rather than the goverment.

First, can you show documentation (proof) of Suthep keeping (pocketing) monies?

Second, The protester drew attention as to the methods being used by the government to circumvent the EC ruling, which some alledge are illegal.

Third, the government itself and its rice program, with all its warts may be accepted IF they could/would account for about 700 billion baht, 40+ million ton of paddy, involving blacklisted storage facilities, over 100 billion in adminstration fees, the promised inventory involving Cammerce Ministers and Interior Minster . etc.

Forth, this government has told so many outright lies that their crediability has sunk to to a minus factor in belief, so the source of any and all info being thrown around should be suspect.

I love posts that begin... Can you show me documented proof, sources etc.

Ok can you show documented proof about the rice scheme and Yinglucks part at the operational level? Ah ok, best let her off then!!! Investigation closed, because some yellow poster says so.

I noticed the headcount but get so used to the Nations numbers I let it slip. 100 people per tractor.... be able to count them all from the drone shots.... and many have. Highest number I have seen was 142 tractors in the convoy.

Number vary, but nobody comes close the the hysterical nation figures.

[olddoc]

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It be interesting to see what they do when they get to know that PDRC and EC and bankunions
have block there payments....WOW. They are 1 million...

it was the banks that blocked it....who were you before is the real question...you know your lying alt=coffee1.gif width=32 height=24>

If the Banks blocked I wonder why ?

Perhaps they were worried they would not be re-payed by a bankrupt and corrupt "government" ?

[Patpending]

It be interesting to see what they do when they get to know that PDRC and EC and bankunions

have block there payments....WOW. They are 1 million...

it was the banks that blocked it....who were you before is the real question...you know your lying

Really grates with some of you that people dare hold opinions contrary to your own. Then like big playground whipped bullies its a chorus of Troll, banned member,... teacher teacher ban this person please.

Why don't the 5 - 6 of you who spend all day doing this develop some rationale..? oh, there is none from your side right?

I would be so interested to hear a detailed analysis of Sutheps proposals, the who, the who selects, the role layout etc. Can't one of you spend just a few minutes during the 3 months this has been going on, to debate an issue instead of screaming and wailing about people disagreeing with you.

Lets see the nuts and bolts discussed and praised, by you, or we really will have cause to call troll on you!!!

[likewise]

some posters here are really talking out of their ass : One mentioned; Suthep organised people in his home province of Trang to do a run on the banks.....Euh.....Suthep is not from Trang but from Surat !

[DGIE]

Where I live the are just now planting a new crop of rice while these farmers and protesting who planting the rice? No wonder their poor.

In this month, rice are already growing or it is almost harvest time.

You should pity those farmers instead of attacking them of being poor.

You are lucky, you are living in luxurious life!

[Dr Bruce]

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The Government has been trying to pay the farmers for months, The EC said they could not borrow money because it would be a carry-over to the next government, but the debt would still carry over to the next government.

Suthep has been putting pressure on the banks not to lend money to pay the farmers, he then led several marches to raise money to pay the farmers and then kept the money.

When the GSB lent money to pay the farmers Suthep organised a small group of people to withdraw money in his heartland of Trang and publisised it as a run on the bank which caused a real run on the bank. So then the GSB had to withdraw the loan.

I feel the rice pledging scheme has been a complete cluster fuc_k but the reasons for the payments (that were already late) now stopping completely can be laid at the door of the protesters rather than the goverment.

First, can you show documentation (proof) of Suthep keeping (pocketing) monies?

Second, The protester drew attention as to the methods being used by the government to circumvent the EC ruling, which some alledge are illegal.

Third, the government itself and its rice program, with all its warts may be accepted IF they could/would account for about 700 billion baht, 40+ million ton of paddy, involving blacklisted storage facilities, over 100 billion in adminstration fees, the promised inventory involving Cammerce Ministers and Interior Minster . etc.

Forth, this government has told so many outright lies that their crediability has sunk to to a minus factor in belief, so the source of any and all info being thrown around should be suspect.

If Suthep had given any of the millions he collected to the farmers, he would have done it publicly.

The elected government has tried many ways to pay the farmers recently which have all been blocked by Suthep or the courts.

At least we agree that the rice pledging scheme is a failure.

"If Suthep had given any of the millions he collected to the farmers, he would have done it publicly".

In the last week or so the handover of the money collected has been mentioned many times in the media.

All I have seen in the media is Suthep saying that he will use the money to sue the elected government to make them pay the farmers. Which is what the government would be doing if Suthep had not been lobbying against any payment to the farmers. Even the newscaster had trouble keeping a straight face on that one.

I may have missed any payment that happened when I was up north last week but cannot find any mention of it on here.

Could you point me at when he paid it?

[mamypoko]

Cursed and abused by red shirts

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Red shirts? are you retarded?

[Dr Bruce]

some posters here are really talking out of their ass : One mentioned; Suthep organised people in his home province of Trang to do a run on the banks.....Euh.....Suthep is not from Trang but from Surat !

I said heartland not homeland. I meant it to mean it was an area where Suthep enjoys much support. Sorry for the lack of clarity. I will try to type slower so you can keep up.

[bkksteviejai]

Jesus, you lot swallow the troll posts easy.

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[DGIE]

Where I live the are just now planting a new crop of rice while these farmers and protesting who planting the rice? No wonder their poor.

This time, rice is already growing and some are near to be harvested. March is the start of harvesting month.

You should pity those farmers instead of attacking them for being poor.

Do you think they should prioritize going and spending to Bangkok rather than planting if planting is more important this time?

[The Deerhunter]

That is the very people PTP claims to represent, that is one messed up situation for them. At least yingluck is a strong leader and will see the situation through I have no doubt about it.

I see you use a current picture of Yingluck as your avatar

[MrSlatersParrot]

The Government has been trying to pay the farmers for months, The EC said they could not borrow money because it would be a carry-over to the next government, but the debt would still carry over to the next government.

Suthep has been putting pressure on the banks not to lend money to pay the farmers, he then led several marches to raise money to pay the farmers and then kept the money.

When the GSB lent money to pay the farmers Suthep organised a small group of people to withdraw money in his heartland of Trang and publisised it as a run on the bank which caused a real run on the bank. So then the GSB had to withdraw the loan.

I feel the rice pledging scheme has been a complete cluster fuc_k but the reasons for the payments (that were already late) now stopping completely can be laid at the door of the protesters rather than the goverment.

First, can you show documentation (proof) of Suthep keeping (pocketing) monies?

Second, The protester drew attention as to the methods being used by the government to circumvent the EC ruling, which some alledge are illegal.

Third, the government itself and its rice program, with all its warts may be accepted IF they could/would account for about 700 billion baht, 40+ million ton of paddy, involving blacklisted storage facilities, over 100 billion in adminstration fees, the promised inventory involving Cammerce Ministers and Interior Minster . etc.

Forth, this government has told so many outright lies that their crediability has sunk to to a minus factor in belief, so the source of any and all info being thrown around should be suspect.

If Suthep had given any of the millions he collected to the farmers, he would have done it publicly.

The elected government has tried many ways to pay the farmers recently which have all been blocked by Suthep or the courts.

At least we agree that the rice pledging scheme is a failure.

As I understood it Suthep claimed to have raised 20 million baht but instead of giving it to farmers it's been given to the "lawyers" to sue the government.

So no help then for the farmers.

[Red Snake]

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Where I live the are just now planting a new crop of rice while these farmers and protesting who planting the rice? No wonder their poor.

This time, rice is already growing and some are near to be harvested. March is the start of harvesting month.

You should pity those farmers instead of attacking them for being poor.

Do you think they should prioritize going and spending to Bangkok rather than planting if planting is more important this time?

Do you really live in Thailand, or maybe you don't get out much, but where I am they are just flooding the paddies. Try to get out more.

[winstonc]

Jesus, you lot swallow the troll posts easy.

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well the mods dont seem interested in stopping them ..so it seems its open season on here...