M16 attack at house of hardcore redshirt leader Jatuporn

[MunterHunter]

Obviously Prayuth didn't order the attack. He has no reason to want to and, if he had ordered it, Jatuporn would be dead.

It is pretty clear that factional in-fighting has started within the red shirts. Thida was summarily dismissed without cause or warning through an imperial command from Dubai and Jatuporn was not democratically elected (nor was Thida). Red shirts who did well financially out of being close to Thida must be feeling the leadership change in their pockets. It is not surprising that they are resorting to violence following the undemocratic removal from power of their revered and beautiful leader. Expect worse to come. A huge quantity of armaments have been imported from Cambodia and Laos and distributed to red shirts. Now they will slug it out amongst themselves like Libyan war lords.

Never read such a load of garbage.

Try reading through your post history... its a lot worse than the post you quoted.

[Dogmatix]

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To copy red sympathizers who always say the protestors are throwing grenades at themselves.

This is the work of red shirts. They're shooting at themselves to gain sympathy. alt=rolleyes.gif width=20 height=20>

Jatuporn knows very well the weapons. He could quickly identify them.

He probably had no idea, unless he ordered the attack himself. but just said they were assault rifle rounds to gain more sympathy. Fired from 10 metres a Colt .45 would also make a pretty big hole in the wall that could be indistinguishable from an assault rifle to an inexpert eye. It is twice the diameter of an M16 slug and nearly double the weight. The big difference is the much higher velocity of an M16 but this doesn't reach its maximum force until 200 metres when the M16 slug starts to tumble and can consequently inflict a more horrible horrible wound at that range than the much bigger and heavier but slower AK47. An AK47 slug is a should make a much bigger hole in a wall than an M16 at close range.

Perhaps Mr Ko Tee will send a red shirt ballistics expert from his mobile Nonthaburi unit to check the wounds to the house and confirm whether they came from any their weapons.

Edited March 19, 2014 by Dogmatix

[tomyummer]

"...riddled with two bullets..." is not much at all. Riddled should be more than 10 or 20.

Boy the Thais are really bad shots and bad at lobbing M79's.

[Dogmatix]

Maybe he'll be more than shaken soon.....and dangerous position for him now...but you reap what you sow!

Best of luck Jatuporn.....you gonna need it!!!

He's a hothead playing a high stakes game. If he is successful, the Amnesty Bill will be enacted within 60 days of the PT govt taking power and his terrorist charges will be quashed. That will leave Thaksin no choice but to give him the ministry he so desperately wants as a his ticket to super riches. If he overplays his hand, he could end up murdered by any one of a number of parties, including his paymaster (anxious to wipe out debts and get rid of a political liability), rival red shirt faction leaders, the military, the PDRC etc etc. He has many enemies and, if he went back to live in his home province of Narathiwat in South, he would probably have a life expectancy less than a subaltern on the Western front in WWI, i.e. 6 weeks.

[GeckosDiving]

Obviously Prayuth didn't order the attack. He has no reason to want to and, if he had ordered it, Jatuporn would be dead.

It is pretty clear that factional in-fighting has started within the red shirts. Thida was summarily dismissed without cause or warning through an imperial command from Dubai and Jatuporn was not democratically elected (nor was Thida). Red shirts who did well financially out of being close to Thida must be feeling the leadership change in their pockets. It is not surprising that they are resorting to violence following the undemocratic removal from power of their revered and beautiful leader. Expect worse to come. A huge quantity of armaments have been imported from Cambodia and Laos and distributed to red shirts. Now they will slug it out amongst themselves like Libyan war lords.

Never read such a load of garbage.

Never read such a load of garbage ?

Well then you should start reading your own posts because they really are GARBAGE !!

Edited March 19, 2014 by GeckosDiving

[wolf5370]

How does he know they bullets came from assault rifles at all? Since there were only two that "riddled" his "luckily" vacant house, they seem to not be on auto anyway

The AK47 uses M43 (M67 new) cartridges (7.62mm X 39mm = 255gr/16.5g) and the M16 uses M193 (M855) cartridges (5.56mm X 45mm = 184gr/11.9g) - nothing alike at impact - bullets being much heavier and slower from the AK ( 990ms-1 to 710ms-1 ). Unless he means an AK74 which uses the smaller NATO 5.45mm ammo or the AK101 which uses the same ammo as the M16. There are special made 5.56mm AK47 (for over 40 years) but they are made specifically for certain forces in certain countries (like Israel, Eastern Europe and South Africa). May be I'm out of date (been a while) - but like to know how a cursory look at two holes in a wall tells him what weapon they were fired from (or two quite different weapons).

[Squeegee]

To copy red sympathizers who always say the protestors are throwing grenades at themselves.

This is the work of red shirts. They're shooting at themselves to gain sympathy.

You are probably not far off the mark.

Seems to have been set up so that Jatuporn could release this ass kissing statement to take the military heat off him.

Strange statement to be coming from such a rabid criminal don't you think?

More to this than meets the eye.

Ass kissing? I thought he was purveying the first known example of Thai ironic humour!

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

So how was your first week as Red shirt leader Jatuporn? Expect more of the same in the very near future.

[seajae]

if they wanted to hurt him they would have made sure he was at home, more likel]y jatuporn himself directing the shots so they doidnt do too much damage, especially when only 2 bullets hit

[chotthee]

Must be carried out by the usual paid thugs of Thaksin.

[winstonc]

Obviously Prayuth didn't order the attack. He has no reason to want to and, if he had ordered it, Jatuporn would be dead.

It is pretty clear that factional in-fighting has started within the red shirts. Thida was summarily dismissed without cause or warning through an imperial command from Dubai and Jatuporn was not democratically elected (nor was Thida). Red shirts who did well financially out of being close to Thida must be feeling the leadership change in their pockets. It is not surprising that they are resorting to violence following the undemocratic removal from power of their revered and beautiful leader. Expect worse to come. A huge quantity of armaments have been imported from Cambodia and Laos and distributed to red shirts. Now they will slug it out amongst themselves like Libyan war lords.

Never read such a load of garbage.

why dont you re-read your own posts..

[The Deerhunter]

"The house wall was riddled with two bullets"

Jeez "Riddled" is rather an overstatement don't you think......

I'd say it's waste bullets

A waste? Hell no. Anyone who can "riddle" a whole house with only 2 bullets has got wastage control down to a fine art. See below.

1. to pierce with many holes, suggesting those of a sieve: to riddle the target.

2.to fill or affect with (something undesirable, weakening, etc.): a government riddled with graft.

3.to impair or refute completely by persistent verbal attacks: to riddle a person's reputation.

4.to sift through a riddle, as gravel; screen.

MY GOD: I just LOVE #2. And no, I didn't make it up.

[Pimay1]

Obviously Prayuth didn't order the attack. He has no reason to want to and, if he had ordered it, Jatuporn would be dead.

It is pretty clear that factional in-fighting has started within the red shirts. Thida was summarily dismissed without cause or warning through an imperial command from Dubai and Jatuporn was not democratically elected (nor was Thida). Red shirts who did well financially out of being close to Thida must be feeling the leadership change in their pockets. It is not surprising that they are resorting to violence following the undemocratic removal from power of their revered and beautiful leader. Expect worse to come. A huge quantity of armaments have been imported from Cambodia and Laos and distributed to red shirts. Now they will slug it out amongst themselves like Libyan war lords.

The sooner the better.

[Rob8891]

Obviously Prayuth didn't order the attack. He has no reason to want to and, if he had ordered it, Jatuporn would be dead.

It is pretty clear that factional in-fighting has started within the red shirts. Thida was summarily dismissed without cause or warning through an imperial command from Dubai and Jatuporn was not democratically elected (nor was Thida). Red shirts who did well financially out of being close to Thida must be feeling the leadership change in their pockets. It is not surprising that they are resorting to violence following the undemocratic removal from power of their revered and beautiful leader. Expect worse to come. A huge quantity of armaments have been imported from Cambodia and Laos and distributed to red shirts. Now they will slug it out amongst themselves like Libyan war lords.

Never read such a load of garbage.

Try proof reading sometime....

NUTS! I was beaten with this comment...... Ah well, you deserve to hear it again, you wee misnoma, you.

Edited March 19, 2014 by Rob8891

[dickyknee]

Jatuporn said he strongly believed the attack had nothing to do with the Army chief saying the general has honor enough not to order such attack.

if it had anything to do with the army, Jatuporn would be saying nothing... Because he'd be dead.

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[scorecard]

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Obviously Prayuth didn't order the attack. He has no reason to want to and, if he had ordered it, Jatuporn would be dead.

It is pretty clear that factional in-fighting has started within the red shirts. Thida was summarily dismissed without cause or warning through an imperial command from Dubai and Jatuporn was not democratically elected (nor was Thida). Red shirts who did well financially out of being close to Thida must be feeling the leadership change in their pockets. It is not surprising that they are resorting to violence following the undemocratic removal from power of their revered and beautiful leader. Expect worse to come. A huge quantity of armaments have been imported from Cambodia and Laos and distributed to red shirts. Now they will slug it out amongst themselves like Libyan war lords.

Never read such a load of garbage.

'Such garbage'.

Perhaps then you would like to share the total detailed truth about how / when / where / the process, of how jatuporn was very recently elected to the red shirt / udd leader position (democratic principles: voter numbers and locations, proof that the voters are members and entitled to lodge a vote, vote scoring per location, all recorded and quickly shared widely to show transparency etc).

And perhaps to prove your point even further you would be good enough to share the very same details of how nutawoot was elected to the secretary general position.

Please enlighten.

[moe666]

At least they got some fairness coming there way but not there yet, big difference between a M-79 attack and a M-16.

[citizen33]

You mean disenchanted Man Utd supporters ?

Funnily enough the riddled word (probably 'phroon' in Thai) reminded me of a disparaging Thai nickname for Liverpool - Liver-phroon - meaning holed by too many goals. Of course, this season it is indeed Man U and not the now flying 'red swans' of Anfield who will deserve a nasty nickname.

[Dogmatix]

Obviously Prayuth didn't order the attack. He has no reason to want to and, if he had ordered it, Jatuporn would be dead.

It is pretty clear that factional in-fighting has started within the red shirts. Thida was summarily dismissed without cause or warning through an imperial command from Dubai and Jatuporn was not democratically elected (nor was Thida). Red shirts who did well financially out of being close to Thida must be feeling the leadership change in their pockets. It is not surprising that they are resorting to violence following the undemocratic removal from power of their revered and beautiful leader. Expect worse to come. A huge quantity of armaments have been imported from Cambodia and Laos and distributed to red shirts. Now they will slug it out amongst themselves like Libyan war lords.

Id be interested to know where that info comes from...

I believe you altered my post, MunterHunter, which is against forum rules. Be warned.

[Fat Haggis]

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To copy red sympathizers who always say the protestors are throwing grenades at themselves.

This is the work of red shirts. They're shooting at themselves to gain sympathy. alt=rolleyes.gif width=20 height=20>

Jatuporn knows very well the weapons. He could quickly identify them.

He probably had no idea, unless he ordered the attack himself. but just said they were assault rifle rounds to gain more sympathy. Fired from 10 metres a Colt .45 would also make a pretty big hole in the wall that could be indistinguishable from an assault rifle to an inexpert eye. It is twice the diameter of an M16 slug and nearly double the weight. The big difference is the much higher velocity of an M16 but this doesn't reach its maximum force until 200 metres when the M16 slug starts to tumble and can consequently inflict a more horrible horrible wound at that range than the much bigger and heavier but slower AK47. An AK47 slug is a should make a much bigger hole in a wall than an M16 at close range.

Perhaps Mr Ko Tee will send a red shirt ballistics expert from his mobile Nonthaburi unit to check the wounds to the house and confirm whether they came from any their weapons.

Not quite true, the 5.56mm does have a higher velocity which tends to cause LESS damage due to it passing straight through the victim,on many occasions in combat situations it took more 5.56 to drop a live target, compared to the larger 7.62x39 the AK47 ammo leaves horrendous injuries and getting hit in the right place by a 7.62 round WILL put you on your back, and it WILL hurt, I have used both, in such situations and it's a trade off, with the 5.56mm you can carry more ammo, but the AK gives you more of a punch, the M4/M16 is also more accurate over increased ranges, where as the AK isn't so great at 300M's + , the M16 is lighter, the AK is heavier but more robust, and doesn't suffer as many malfunctions..

I also wouldn't be surprised if one of his neighbours popped off a few rounds either, can't be good for your health having a raving lunatic share the same area as you!!

[wolf5370]

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To copy red sympathizers who always say the protestors are throwing grenades at themselves.

This is the work of red shirts. They're shooting at themselves to gain sympathy. alt=rolleyes.gif width=20 height=20>

Jatuporn knows very well the weapons. He could quickly identify them.

He probably had no idea, unless he ordered the attack himself. but just said they were assault rifle rounds to gain more sympathy. Fired from 10 metres a Colt .45 would also make a pretty big hole in the wall that could be indistinguishable from an assault rifle to an inexpert eye. It is twice the diameter of an M16 slug and nearly double the weight. The big difference is the much higher velocity of an M16 but this doesn't reach its maximum force until 200 metres when the M16 slug starts to tumble and can consequently inflict a more horrible horrible wound at that range than the much bigger and heavier but slower AK47. An AK47 slug is a should make a much bigger hole in a wall than an M16 at close range.

Perhaps Mr Ko Tee will send a red shirt ballistics expert from his mobile Nonthaburi unit to check the wounds to the house and confirm whether they came from any their weapons.

Not quite true, the 5.56mm does have a higher velocity which tends to cause LESS damage due to it passing straight through the victim,on many occasions in combat situations it took more 5.56 to drop a live target, compared to the larger 7.62x39 the AK47 ammo leaves horrendous injuries and getting hit in the right place by a 7.62 round WILL put you on your back, and it WILL hurt, I have used both, in such situations and it's a trade off, with the 5.56mm you can carry more ammo, but the AK gives you more of a punch, the M4/M16 is also more accurate over increased ranges, where as the AK isn't so great at 300M's + , the M16 is lighter, the AK is heavier but more robust, and doesn't suffer as many malfunctions..

I also wouldn't be surprised if one of his neighbours popped off a few rounds either, can't be good for your health having a raving lunatic share the same area as you!!

Both right to some degree The earlier 5.56mm cartridges were thin jacket - and tumbled and fragmented on impact and were devastating. Later ones were steel jacketed and the higher velocity 990ms-1 have quite high cutting power - even so the AK47 will cut two more sheets of Kevlar than the steel jacket M16 (33 to 31). Certainly the M16 is more accurate and over a larger distance (although the AK has a greater lethal range due to its grain) - at 300m AK47 is not very accurate at all.

However, I still think it is more likely it was a pistol shot rather than an assault rifle - just because lack of spraying (either very inaccurate to single shot/double tap a wall - or if damage was the intent, then spraying the wall with rounds would be more likely). Just my thoughts on the matter.

[bigbamboo]

"The house wall was riddled with two bullets"

Jeez "Riddled" is rather an overstatement don't you think......

The redshirts overstating things? You jest surely!

The good news is that the police have narrowed down the number of suspects to less than fifty million.

[rickirs]

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Glad to see that the security company did a sterling job of checking the id of all people coming in and out of the mooban.

AK-47 is the best ID one can have.

[Fat Haggis]

Knock Knock!!

Who's there?

AK 47!!!!

Oh...come in make yourself at home I'll be off now

[Smokemachine]

Looks like people are angry with him. Appointed for the UDD leader and gotten thrice attack? Seems some group are unhappy with this new UDD leader. Anyone has inside info? Is Thida been forced to step down? Internally in a whole mess.

[Phatcharanan]

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To copy red sympathizers who always say the protestors are throwing grenades at themselves.

This is the work of red shirts. They're shooting at themselves to gain sympathy. alt=rolleyes.gif width=20 height=20>

Jatuporn knows very well the weapons. He could quickly identify them.

He probably had no idea, unless he ordered the attack himself. but just said they were assault rifle rounds to gain more sympathy. Fired from 10 metres a Colt .45 would also make a pretty big hole in the wall that could be indistinguishable from an assault rifle to an inexpert eye. It is twice the diameter of an M16 slug and nearly double the weight. The big difference is the much higher velocity of an M16 but this doesn't reach its maximum force until 200 metres when the M16 slug starts to tumble and can consequently inflict a more horrible horrible wound at that range than the much bigger and heavier but slower AK47. An AK47 slug is a should make a much bigger hole in a wall than an M16 at close range.

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[Yunla]

However, he said he also was not certain if the attack was motivated by the current rising political tension.

So basically he accepts that so many people hate him enough to riddle Toad Hall with bullets, there's no way to pick out a suspect among the long list of people who are willing to pop him.

[klauskunkel]

The house wall was riddled with two bullets which Jatuporn said were either caused by M16 or AK47 assault rifles.

The expert has spoken...

Wonder if his amulets were any help...

[bushwacker]

And the winner of the Morning Laugh Award is ................ Wait for it ................... "The house wall was riddled with two bullets"

[diehard60]

It was diffenitely suthep's thugs.