Family of Brits murdered in Thailand say evidence convincing

[JOC]

As the British police were specifically told that they could be observers ONLY and certainly not initiators of a fresh, independent investigation into the case and its handling, any information taken back to the grieving British families is likely to have been almost exclusively made up of what the Thai police told the British. This is not a sufficiently sound basis - for many analysts of this tragic case - to inspire confidence.

The single most damning piece of 'evidence' that the Thai police are likely to wave in the air at the trial is the DNA of the attackers. But since there is photographic and video evidence that proves that the crime scene was not secured against contamination (a point implicitly criticised by Thailand's leading DNA collection expert), and since even the gathering of the DNA was not carried out by qualified persons (another point highlighted with great disapprobation by that same Thai specialist), any DNA evidence wielded in court will literally have zero probative force and value. It is worthless. That leaves only vanishingly sparse circumstantial evidence (remember that the case was knocked back some five times by the public prosecutor) on which to find the Burmese guys guilty and then to sentence them to death (or, if they are lucky, to life imprisonment). Who could live with their conscience if they convicted fellow human beings to death on such a flimsy basis? There are those here who could and would - and probably will. Others will hear the words, 'Travesty of justice', ringing in their ears. Each person must decide for him or herself once all the evidence is out there in the public domain, during the course of the trial. But as posters on Thaivisa Forum - the power to pronounce sentence in a court of law, or to appear on a non-existent Thai jury, is of course wholly denied us.

There remains, however, the individual, internal MORAL court of law - where even 'Thai justice' can hold no sway.

Excellent post Tony!!

Unlike many of the 'hit and run' posts here (mine included), you really nailed, what this case is all about: Our humanity.

This case is not really about being right or wrong, but about us being able to face ourselves even after the verdict.

If the B2 are indeed convicted, I will for always, ask myself could I have done more.

[boomerangutang]

You (boomerangutang) are also misusing the words "conspiracy theory". You have a theory there are conspiracy / conspiracies. You claim to know who the killers are and that they are free, and out there using date rape drugs.

Conspiracy theory is a belief in something, by a group, not fully proven. I'll be the first to admit there have been some hare-brained theories postulated thus far. It started with police claiming it was a jealous gay lover of David's. Then the top authority in Thailand claimed young pretty farang women were asking for trouble by wearing bikinis. Since the 2nd head cop was appointed to steer the investigation, the biggest conspiracy gained steam: the conspiracy to nail the Burmese (who had already had DNA tested and cleared, but then were apparently re-tested and matched). Just before that happened, top Thai officials were stating "No Thai could have done it." ....yet another facet of their massive conspiracy theory.

I don't claim to know for sure it was the headman's people. However, from following the many bits of evidence, both what cops reveal, and some of what's published on social media, I strongly feel the real criminals are being shielded by the Headman and his police friends, some of whom may have been paid to do so. I want a fair trial as much as anyone, but feel that it's nigh impossible in light of the aching desire of Thai officialdom to nail the B2. Even if the B2 get acquitted, that won't be a big defeat for Thai officials. The only defeat, for them, is if one or more of the Headman's people are tried and found guilty.

Edited December 7, 2014 by boomerangutang

[jdinasia]

Very interesting, and troubling, piece posted on Andy Hall's FB page regarding the FCO's actions in this:

https://www.facebook.com/andy.hall.3110/posts/10152644382575677

Isn't this called, attacking the messenger when you don't like the message.

Edit: actually I think the actual phrase is "Shooting the messenger"

Worth noting is that Andy Hall praised the wording of the families ' press release about 24 hours ago.

If you want to speak on behalf of Andy Hall then I would suggest you do so accurately. He did not praise the statements of the victims families he did however give them 'respect' and he was specific in the parts he did highlight.

Here are the 2 tweets he made:

Koh Tao case victims families statement: important call for 'fair transparent' trial for accused, justice to be done

I respect Koh Tao victims' parents 'full' 2 statements as both call clearly for need for a fair & transparent trial and emphasize 'justice'

Also worth noting that he was the author of many of the quotes in this article on 4th Dec http://asiancorrespondent.com/128732/koh-tao-murder-suspects-issue-plea-for-witnesses-ahead-of-formal-charges/

“It’s really challenging getting witnesses for them because everyone’s so scared,” Hall said. He said that Thais living on Koh Tao are especially scared to speak out, because they have names and addresses that can be easily tracked. This is their home, they can’t leave the way migrant workers or Western expats can. People are scared that their businesses will be closed or their lives will be threatened, even that they could be killed, Hall said.

To state respect for the "full" 2 statements is synonymous to praise.

But thanks for clarification on how significant he sees those statements.

[jdinasia]

Boomerangutang you have repeatedly stated that the headman's people did it.

Even in the post I replied to.

[CharlieH]

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[thailandchilli]

That would be your interpretation, but not mine, nor Andy's or anyone else who is calling for justice in this case. Perhaps you didn't read the last part of my post where Andy makes it very clear where he stands on this

Edited December 7, 2014 by thailandchilli

[DM07]

jdinasia:"To state respect for the "full" 2 statements is synonymous to praise.

But thanks for clarification on how significant he sees those statements."

"respect"= "praise"?

In what universe?

[DennisF]

26 pages about statements that were almost neutral and were written with the assistance of a team of legal experts and diplomats (allegedly).

For me the only strange thing is the timing which gives the B2 an even slimmer chance of a not guilty verdict.

Considering the experts who would give the green light for such public statements I am shocked that it contravenes

UK law.

After statements like this the chances of a fair trial are minimal at best and in the UK the authors and publishers of such statements would likely be prosecuted, rightly so.

Did the B2 do it? The court will decide on the basis of evidence, we hope, and we have to wait for that.

The RTP apologists are having a field day in the meantime, <deleted>

Like him or hate him JTJ is the only one who occasionally has valid points, if only he had debating ability the threads he comments on would be interesting.

I have noted he has been absent from the KT threads for some time now but, has returned with a keyboard vengeance now there is, what he sees, as positive RTP publicity.

The other main player . the spacebook page, who in the beginning of this case was a fantastic source of new information and captured

the hearts and minds of many Thais, has unfortunately, lost the plot. The admin seems to be bathing in self glorification at the moment, it is to be hoped he recovers and gets back to posting relevant information.

[Krenjai]

Boomerangutang you have repeatedly stated that the headman's people did it.

Even in the post I replied to.

Understandably, even the RTP called them the head-suspects after which the head investigator was promoted out of there, was he on drugs?

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. He said the southern police were coordinating with the metropolitan police to hunt him down, and expected to apprehend him today. The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world. He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation. Instead the police will eliminate all these mafias, he said. Meanwhile a police source said the police are also looking into the cooperation of those who helped to arrange the suspect to escape. They also will be arrested.

Edited December 7, 2014 by CharlieH

[jdinasia]

Boomerangutang you have repeatedly stated that the headman's people did it.

Even in the post I replied to.

Understandably, even the RTP called them the head-suspects after which the head investigator was promoted out of there, was he on drugs?

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. He said the southern police were coordinating with the metropolitan police to hunt him down, and expected to apprehend him today. The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world. He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation. Instead the police will eliminate all these mafias, he said. Meanwhile a police source said the police are also looking into the cooperation of those who helped to arrange the suspect to escape. They also will be arrested.

First the police wanted the Burmese, then Ware, then the article you are stuck on, then back to the initial suspects.

Yet you fixated on one theory of the crime that was later proven untrue via alibi.

And even in the face of the parents of the victims : who have reviewed the case with the UK police, asking for a trial and an end to your conspiracy theories, you continue.

[DennisF]

Boomerangutang you have repeatedly stated that the headman's people did it.

Even in the post I replied to.

Understandably, even the RTP called them the head-suspects after which the head investigator was promoted out of there, was he on drugs?

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. He said the southern police were coordinating with the metropolitan police to hunt him down, and expected to apprehend him today. The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world. He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation. Instead the police will eliminate all these mafias, he said. Meanwhile a police source said the police are also looking into the cooperation of those who helped to arrange the suspect to escape. They also will be arrested.

I try very hard not to be lumbered with the monicer of CT but this news item hits you between the eyes.

The policeman seemed to be doing a good job then was rapidly taken off the case and a new scenario from the Bangkok RTP was introduced, immediately.

This means this policeman must have been incompetent, by definition.

The RTP apologists point this out as early mistakes in the investigation and I could accept that if it were not for the fact that he was immediately promoted to a position that would normally cost an arm and a leg to secure, even with good contacts.

For me, this is the pivotal moment in the case that I have serious reservations about.

Edit spelling. Damn keyboard

Edited December 7, 2014 by DennisF

[jdinasia]

Boomerangutang you have repeatedly stated that the headman's people did it.

Even in the post I replied to.

Understandably, even the RTP called them the head-suspects after which the head investigator was promoted out of there, was he on drugs?

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. He said the southern police were coordinating with the metropolitan police to hunt him down, and expected to apprehend him today. The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world. He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation. Instead the police will eliminate all these mafias, he said. Meanwhile a police source said the police are also looking into the cooperation of those who helped to arrange the suspect to escape. They also will be arrested.

I try very hard not to be lumbered with the monicer of CT but this news item hits you between the eyes.

The policeman seemed to be doing a good job then was rapidly taken off the case and a new scenario from the Bangkok RTP was introduced, immediately.

This means this policeman must have been incompetent, by definition.

The RTP apologists point this out as early mistakes in the investigation and I could accept that if it were not for the fact that he was immediately promoted to a position that would normally cost an arm and a leg to secure, even with good contacts.

For me, this is the pivotal moment in the case that I have serious reservations about.

Edit spelling. Damn keyboard

Panya was promoted to BKK. The first article about the pending promotion appeared on September 11. Later articles said he was expected to be tapped for the BKK position etc.

The beginning of October is the standard time for promotions due to retirement because of superannuation. (fiscal year)

But don't let that get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

[Dogmatix]

Very interesting, and troubling, piece posted on Andy Hall's FB page regarding the FCO's actions in this:

https://www.facebook.com/andy.hall.3110/posts/10152644382575677

Isn't this called, attacking the messenger when you don't like the message.

Edit: actually I think the actual phrase is "Shooting the messenger"

Worth noting is that Andy Hall praised the wording of the families ' press release about 24 hours ago.

He only praised the wording that promoted transparency and fairness at the trial. He said he respected the full statements which is not quite the same as praise.

[CharlieH]

Off topic post removed

[AleG]

Boomerangutang you have repeatedly stated that the headman's people did it.

Even in the post I replied to.

Understandably, even the RTP called them the head-suspects after which the head investigator was promoted out of there, was he on drugs?

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. He said the southern police were coordinating with the metropolitan police to hunt him down, and expected to apprehend him today. The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world. He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation. Instead the police will eliminate all these mafias, he said. Meanwhile a police source said the police are also looking into the cooperation of those who helped to arrange the suspect to escape. They also will be arrested.

First the police wanted the Burmese, then Ware, then the article you are stuck on, then back to the initial suspects.

Yet you fixated on one theory of the crime that was later proven untrue via alibi.

And even in the face of the parents of the victims : who have reviewed the case with the UK police, asking for a trial and an end to your conspiracy theories, you continue.

A quote from media pointing in the "wrong" direction is just dismissed!!

Whereas the statement from the parents (or whoever wrote it) is accepted as the holy grail??

RTP apologist logic!!

How come, your darlings in the RTP, got it so wrong in the first place??

IMO they probably solved the case, but then money changed hands!!

And please don't tell us to respect the families wishes, because without your endless stream of posts, this thread would have died a long time ago!!

And please don't tell us to respect the families wishes, because without your endless stream of posts, this thread would have died a long time ago!

One can't but wonder at what sort of intellect and morality can come up with such a gem.

[jdinasia]

Boomerangutang you have repeatedly stated that the headman's people did it.

Even in the post I replied to.

Understandably, even the RTP called them the head-suspects after which the head investigator was promoted out of there, was he on drugs?

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. He said the southern police were coordinating with the metropolitan police to hunt him down, and expected to apprehend him today. The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world. He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation. Instead the police will eliminate all these mafias, he said. Meanwhile a police source said the police are also looking into the cooperation of those who helped to arrange the suspect to escape. They also will be arrested.

First the police wanted the Burmese, then Ware, then the article you are stuck on, then back to the initial suspects.

Yet you fixated on one theory of the crime that was later proven untrue via alibi.

And even in the face of the parents of the victims : who have reviewed the case with the UK police, asking for a trial and an end to your conspiracy theories, you continue.

A quote from media pointing in the "wrong" direction is just dismissed!!

Whereas the statement from the parents (or whoever wrote it) is accepted as the holy grail??

RTP apologist logic!!

How come, your darlings in the RTP, got it so wrong in the first place??

IMO they probably solved the case, but then money changed hands!!

And please don't tell us to respect the families wishes, because without your endless stream of posts, this thread would have died a long time ago!!

I am not promoting conspiracy theories nor sensationalism. That is all on you and your group.

We do agree that the police probably have it right. First they looked at the Burmese and that is where it is now. There have been several suspects but you fixated on one apparently due to your dislike for people in authority or your credulousness after reading conspiracy theory websites.

The families have been filled in by the UK police. The same ones you wanted. You ignore that. The guy you want to be guilty has an alibi. Yet you remain fixated. The families have spoken out, yet here you are...

I, on the other hand, am waiting to see the case when it goes to trial.

I really don't blame the conspiracy theorists for being so upset after the families spoke out.<deleted>

[boomerangutang]

<deleted>

"First the police wanted the Burmese, then Ware, then the article you are stuck on, then back to the initial suspects.

Yet you fixated on one theory of the crime that was later proven untrue via alibi."

It wasn't 'back to the initial suspects'. The order from the top was to find and convict some people, Burmese, Hill Tribers, farang, no matter, ...just make sure you keep shielding the Headman's people. Every newspaper article about the crime, at that time, contained at least 50% text about lost tourist revenue due to RTP not yet indicting anyone. The B2 weren't 'initial suspects' unless you count ALL BURMESE on the island as initial suspects, and then you'd be right.

As far as 'alibi' for Nomsod (an initial suspect who still should be a prime suspect), it was as soggy as a tuna sandwich at the bottom of a swimming pool.

Boomerangutang you have repeatedly stated that the headman's people did it.

Even in the post I replied to.

Understandably, even the RTP called them the head-suspects after which the head investigator was promoted out of there, was he on drugs?

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. He said the southern police were coordinating with the metropolitan police to hunt him down, and expected to apprehend him today. The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world. He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation. Instead the police will eliminate all these mafias, he said. Meanwhile a police source said the police are also looking into the cooperation of those who helped to arrange the suspect to escape. They also will be arrested.

I try very hard not to be lumbered with the monicer of CT but this news item hits you between the eyes.

The policeman seemed to be doing a good job then was rapidly taken off the case and a new scenario from the Bangkok RTP was introduced, immediately.

This means this policeman must have been incompetent, by definition.

The RTP apologists point this out as early mistakes in the investigation and I could accept that if it were not for the fact that he was immediately promoted to a position that would normally cost an arm and a leg to secure, even with good contacts.

For me, this is the pivotal moment in the case that I have serious reservations about.

Thanks Krenjai for re-stating that in your words. It needs to be mentioned, to put the whole botched 'investigation' in perspective. Let's not forget, there were also one or two claims by Thai regular folks on KT - who said they were offered money (by police and/or headman) to falsely testify. You can bet we won't be hearing from those folks at the trial.

[CharlieH]

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[JohnThailandJohn]

Boomerangutang you have repeatedly stated that the headman's people did it.

Even in the post I replied to.

Understandably, even the RTP called them the head-suspects after which the head investigator was promoted out of there, was he on drugs?

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. He said the southern police were coordinating with the metropolitan police to hunt him down, and expected to apprehend him today. The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world. He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation. Instead the police will eliminate all these mafias, he said. Meanwhile a police source said the police are also looking into the cooperation of those who helped to arrange the suspect to escape. They also will be arrested.

I try very hard not to be lumbered with the monicer of CT but this news item hits you between the eyes.

The policeman seemed to be doing a good job then was rapidly taken off the case and a new scenario from the Bangkok RTP was introduced, immediately.

This means this policeman must have been incompetent, by definition.

The RTP apologists point this out as early mistakes in the investigation and I could accept that if it were not for the fact that he was immediately promoted to a position that would normally cost an arm and a leg to secure, even with good contacts.

For me, this is the pivotal moment in the case that I have serious reservations about.

The transfer/promotion was announced for that date before the murders even took place and a simple Google search will show you the transfers were announced in the press before the murders.

Edited December 7, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[IslandLover]

BoristheBlade, on 07 Dec 2014 - 06:46, said:

These statements have clearly been prepared by the Foreign Office and the victims families have taken there advice in issuing them.

I hope there "tactics" prove to be correct, but I fear we are seeing diplomatic intervention, and that could literally be catastrophic for the two burmese guys.

The "evidence" will show the two Burmese were on the beach that night ( have they ever denied that anyway?) BUT if the RTP are convinced David was killed with a hoe the same hoe that killed Hanna, then I am sorry but that complete bullsh*t and lies.

Lets see what happens tomorrow, but I find both family statements baffling to say the least.

I get the feeling that these statements have been released in response to the B2's direct appeal to the victims' families for help, which the victims' families may have seen as harassment. I thought it was a bad move on the B2's part. It is one thing to appeal for witnesses but quite another to appeal directly to the families given the nature of the crime. The same could be said for the appeals to Scotland Yard to release their report ahead of the trial.

Personally I am far more interested in the inquests (if they are reported honestly) than the trial, which no doubt will be a farce, given the "quality" of the evidence against the accused.

[berybert]

JTJ and JDINASIA the families have asked for people to give them some respect and STOP posting nonsense online.

Is there any reason you think this means you two feel the need to make 500 posts between you ?

There are 5 or 6 other threads about this crime on this very forum.

Please show some respect and give it a rest.

[balo]

JTJ and JDINASIA the families have asked for people to give them some respect and STOP posting nonsense online.

Is there any reason you think this means you two feel the need to make 500 posts between you ?

There are 5 or 6 other threads about this crime on this very forum.

Please show some respect and give it a rest.

You misunderstood, JTJ and JDNASIA are not the ones that are posting nonsense , its the thai bashers and conspiracy theorists we have to read pages of nonsense from .

I've already asked everyone to wait until after the trial out of respect to the victims families but thats impossible on a forum like this. So I'm afraid the nonsense will continue , every day .

Edited December 7, 2014 by balo

[berybert]

No sorry JDINASIA has single handedly keep these threads going and refused to let them die. JTJ seemed to have given up trying to convince the world of the rights and wrongs of this case. And he did pretty well until the parents of the dead asked for people to give them respect and leave it alone. Since then he has been like a dog on heat. He has loved getting his teeth into the whole mess again and done his best to show as little respect to the families as possible.

[tattoodrob]

If the UK families have seen/been told about more evidence than anything published in the media then of course it has come initially from the RTP and not directly from the UK Observer bobbies as they were limited and could not investigate properly so there report must go on mainly what they were told by RTP,im sure there report cant say the info they got is or coukd be all BS as thats not the way it works(diplomacy etc) and they cant prove anything is correct or not as was not allowed to........and IF this is a big set up then of course the evidence(real or fabricated) will only be damning for the Burmese guys........in my opinon the RTP are more than capable of "producing" as much evidence as is needed to convict the Burmese because the top people will not lose face on this one no matter what,maybe that is why the prosecutors rejected it many times as was not enough so they made more........we already know from media reports that some people were offered money or threatened to be witnesses,does anyone think they cannot or have not done that again as needed,they may have now found blood stained clothes and can say it matches(even if it dont,who can argue),another murder weapon etc etc which if this evidence was shown to the bobbies and then reported to the family then of course will look very convincing BUT those who really know the RTP know that they would and could possibly do anything to get the result they want, ref: other murder trials where reports came out of faking evidence,false witnesses and suchlike so the problem is if they have more evidence which i suspect they do otherwise family would not be so convinced then how do we know its not been "fixed" to make it look like a "perfect" case.......if the RTP wanted Media and especially social media to stop speculating then they could have released info like "the running man has now been found and is not the bangkok boy because its (insert real name)" or the headman was heavily suspected as involved because of(insert why) but was now proved not to be the case because of (insert why) so really they have made the problems from social media themselves due to insane contradicting reports from the police to the media hence making most of us not believe anything they do or say now plus the RTP history of set ups/corruption doesnt help them in anything they do or say too but in this investigation then was very muddled to say the least....i think the Burmese could be involved but highly unlikely especially if just supposedly the 2 of them..i just cant see it and the confessions just dont match with the police reports or even the re enactment,surely if you confess for real then the confession should match and be quite detailed as to exactly what happened that night but in this case it just doesnt match with much the police reported or even the re enactment as to weapons used etc..it was very sketchy............i know the RTP can usually find out exactly what happened in any murder but doesnt mean the truth is what they report to media and sad to say we will never know the real truth in this case ever but all the problems associated with this case was brought upon by themselves and thats why so many speculative stories..not conspiracists but many doubters ....and why not? To just agree with everything RTP say would be crazy as then could make any set up now or in the future easy for them if they wanted to set anyone up which of course they would never do according to some people!

Its a fact many many police are very corrupt so what are the people who just believe everything they say??? Fans or slightly mad

We all want the correct result for the family but with transparency and zero chance of any set up,but we may be beyond that already.Its a real shame.

[Gweiloman]

JTJ and JDINASIA the families have asked for people to give them some respect and STOP posting nonsense online.

Is there any reason you think this means you two feel the need to make 500 posts between you ?

There are 5 or 6 other threads about this crime on this very forum.

Please show some respect and give it a rest.

You misunderstood, JTJ and JDNASIA are not the ones that are posting nonsense , its the thai bashers and conspiracy theorists we have to read pages of nonsense from .

I've already asked everyone to wait until after the trial out of respect to the victims families but thats impossible on a forum like this. So I'm afraid the nonsense will continue , every day .

So, we are either on your side (and that of JTJ and JD) or we are Thai bashers / conspiracy theorists, is that right?

I put it to you that you're the one that's talking nonsense.

"I've already asked everyone to wait until after the trial out of respect to the victims families but thats impossible on a forum like this. So I'm afraid the nonsense will continue , every day"

Why don't you take your own advice and stop posting till after the trial? And advise your "mates" accordingly so that we can at least read some reasonable posts?

[JLCrab]

Now that conspiracy theorists, who demanded UK authorities look into the case, have some insight into UK investigators findings and since it doesn't go along with their baseless conspiracy theories they have proclaimed UK authorities are now in on the cover-up or are more incompetent than Thai police who easily pulled the wool over their eyes.

Would be extremely easy to laugh at these people if not for the damage and hurt they are causing.

Go ahead and laugh. Then think about the people who have caused the most hurt, and how easy it would be for those same people to cause yet more hurt. Yes, I'm referring to the actual murderers and gang rapists. They're currently strolling around, going to parties, using date-rape drugs, and.... they know they're untouchable. Perhaps next time, they'll be a bit more careful in how they do their dastardly deeds. At least they got rid of Sean. There must be a collective sigh of relief by them (and those who are shielding the Headman's people) that Sean was spirited out of the country the day after the crime. Even if testimony were to come forth from Sean (Brit interrogation, perhaps?), the Headman's people and their shielders could readily dismiss it as utterings of a deranged law-breaking man.

Maybe the next move for the actual murderers will be to find and snuff out people like you who actually know THE TRUTH. Chiang Rai isn't such a big place and they will be able find out who you are. So maybe instead of wives and girl friends and nieces it is YOU who are next for one of their dastardly deeds.

Edited December 7, 2014 by JLCrab

[Lozza]

I think you will get an idea of what was and wasn't said from the U.K dailies in particular G........ T......

The families praised the Metropolitan Police and thanked the R.T.P for allowing Scotland Yard to assist in the investigation.

I'm surprised that the R.T.P haven't headlined it on breaking news.

David was NOT killed with the hoe so therefore the autopsy report is incorrect AND dated 15th November. How could you mess that up the report was 1 page.

Why did Nomsod wait a month for testing.

Who is the "running man" and where's the missing 2 minutes of the CCTV.

[ffaarraanngg]

One thing you could be sure of if it was wealthy Brits up in court on this charge with the appalling mess of a case the RTP have put together the UKFO would be doing a lot more then putting the boot into them a few days before the trial was about to begin.

[greenchair]

I saw a news article that says the brits are coming to collect dna samples of the suspects.cant remember which paper. It talked about the comments of the families first, so it is recent. If anybody knows the article please post. If the brits came back with an independant positive of the b2 i would be done with this.thats all anybody has wanted from the outset of the b2 being arrested. A fair call in my knowledgeable opinion.

[greenchair]

There are some people on this site that i refuse to repost because of their looooooong posts that delete the interesting information. The constant bickering of some ,that very cleverly takes away from the issues. When i see those names i skip past and dont read a word. Since it repeats the same thing over and over and over. Please do not repost the dark ones.this is about the justice of 2 young boys.the justice of 1 young man. The justice of 1 young lady.