Family of Brits murdered in Thailand say evidence convincing

[AleG]

The really annoying thing about conspiracy theorists is that they don't really believe in what they say, it makes them feel good to make believe they are champions for good against evil; but in the end, if boomerangutang really, truly believed what he wrote, he would be quiet as a mouse instead of throwing accusations as he does.

Great to see AleG is back to form.

Great input slagging other members off AleG. Shame you cannot bring something to the table except drivel

It's slagging to call someone that pushes a theory that a group of people (from the highest echelons of government down) are conspiring to cover up a crime a conspiracy theorist?

I think you should step back and take an objective look at how unsupported those theories are, then you may have some standing on deciding what is drivel and what is not.

[CharlieH]

off topic posts removed

[greenchair]

Does anyone know about Sean running off to South America.

Is it a rumour. ?

[greenchair]

Does anyone know about Sean running off to South America.

Is it a rumour. ?

[greenchair]

Here is seanhttp://static.thaivisa.com/forum/uploads/monthly_09_2014/post-219560-0-64490700-1411436897.jpg

[BritTim]

Timeline Sean.

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood ?

Noon 15th sven chat about murders . ?

8:00pm 15th party ?

12:30 fb 16th oh;not you?

1:00 fb 16th love;love ?

One needs to look at

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16.?

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview. ?

We can add it to our time line of sean⏳

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood

I do not believe Mon, but I think Jok (as someone Mon can implicitly trust) becomes a person of interest.

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16

Late on the 15th. The Mirror, who had a reporter on the spot, reported the news just after 18:00 UK time (midnight in Thailand).

Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thai-beach-murders-first-pictures-4264387

If Sean was out partying, he would not have seen this until the next day.

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview

Unclear, but probably early evening

I think Sean is interesting, but will be amazed if he took part in the murders.

[BritTim]

Something puzzles me about Sean's timeline above. The murders happened in the early hours of the morning on September 15th, yet on the evening of September 15th, Sean was photographed hosting a pub crawl on Koh Tao, which normally starts at Choppers bar. Sean has since confirmed that the photo was taken on the evening of September 15th and has used it as a rationale to explain why he had no part in, or had even witnessed the murders earlier that day (i.e. why would he be out enjoying himself if he had just seen his friend murdered?). And, it is not until lunchtime on September 16th that Sean starts posting on David Miller's facebook. So, did Sean really not know it was David who had been killed until one whole day after the murders, or is he lying through his teeth?

Nothing about Sean McAnna ever seems to be clear. I think his version is that he heard about the murders on the 15th, but only learned the identity of the victims on the 16th. To be fair, that is consistent with his first Facebook post: Nah man. Please tell me its not you.

Later that day, he seemed quite composed about it talking to a journalist in this report:

Quite right. Very Composed after just a few hours of knowing what had happened.

He obviously thought highly of him as he described him as the man i always wanted to be.

I suppose that could be true. David was a clever guy hardworking and didn't have child porn convictions.

I don't think he composed himself in just a few hours. He was in self preservation mode on the 15th. Mon was gesticulating to him to come here come outside. That was his hand movement's IMHO.

In that video the reporter said it was the second night of having a vigil. So on the 15th there was a night vigil. How could Sean not have known who it was. I would say everyone knew who it was by about lunch. That message in my mind is a quick cover my ass comment. Oh. Wah wah I didn't know it was you. He must have known. Everybody else did. And then just to make sure everyone knows he's not near the scene. Oh and by the way sorry couldn't meet last night. I was sleeping. ? and there's my lovely alibi all typed out nicely on fb.

So on the 15th there was a night vigil. How could Sean not have known who it was. I would say everyone knew who it was by about lunch.

Half the world knew about the murders by lunch. There were even many spectators at the crime scene, some taking pictures. However, only a relatively small number of people knew the names. Even those that knew would not generally pass this on over the jungle tom-toms. Names are meaningless unless you know the people concerned. It would be a little suspicious if Sean had known before the names were announced. It did not require the names of the victims for many people to be shocked. The vigil was because two young people had been murdered, not because their names were Hannah and David.

I would qualify this only slightly. Most people, having stood up their friend the previous night, would have tried to contact them to apologize the next day. In Sean's case, I do not think this applies. He strikes me as the kind of guy who would turn up if he felt like it, and have no guilt if he did not.

Edited January 5, 2015 by BritTim

[HansIsaan]

Timeline Sean.

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood ?

Noon 15th sven chat about murders . ?

8:00pm 15th party ?

12:30 fb 16th oh;not you?

1:00 fb 16th love;love ?

One needs to look at

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16.?

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview. ?

We can add it to our time line of sean⏳

And don't forget the witnesses that claimed he came to the bar accompanied by Chris Ware...

Lawyer U Aung Myo Thant, a member of the team, told Mizzima they were calling on the court to summon Mr Christopher Ware and Mr Sean McAnna - friends of the two British murder victims Ms Hannah Witheridge and Mr David Millar - as they could be main witnesses in the case.

“Myanmar witnesses testify that they (Mr Ware and Mr McAnna) are related to the case. When they entered into the bar, they had injuries. Bloods stains were on their guitar. And the time was around 4 o’clock in the early morning,” said U Aung Myo Thant. “But they said they had a motorcycle accident and then they were released. Therefore, we officially requested the court to question them again.”

source http://www.mizzima.c...itish-witnesses

(19th December)

[greenchair]

Timeline Sean.

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood ?

Noon 15th sven chat about murders . ?

8:00pm 15th party ?

12:30 fb 16th oh;not you?

1:00 fb 16th love;love ?

One needs to look at

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16.?

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview. ?

We can add it to our time line of sean⏳

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood

I do not believe Mon, but I think Jok (as someone Mon can implicitly trust) becomes a person of interest.

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16

Late on the 15th. The Mirror, who had a reporter on the spot, reported the news just after 18:00 UK time (midnight in Thailand).

Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thai-beach-murders-first-pictures-4264387

If Sean was out partying, he would not have seen this until the next day.

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview

Unclear, but probably early evening

I think Sean is interesting, but will be amazed if he took part in the murders.

That's the brit newspaper. What time did it come out in Thailand. I think it was in the news early. I remember wondering why it not on TV. Then it was there in 16th.

[BritTim]

Timeline Sean.

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood ?

Noon 15th sven chat about murders . ?

8:00pm 15th party ?

12:30 fb 16th oh;not you?

1:00 fb 16th love;love ?

One needs to look at

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16.?

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview. ?

We can add it to our time line of sean⏳

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood

I do not believe Mon, but I think Jok (as someone Mon can implicitly trust) becomes a person of interest.

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16

Late on the 15th. The Mirror, who had a reporter on the spot, reported the news just after 18:00 UK time (midnight in Thailand).

Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thai-beach-murders-first-pictures-4264387

If Sean was out partying, he would not have seen this until the next day.

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview

Unclear, but probably early evening

I think Sean is interesting, but will be amazed if he took part in the murders.

That's the brit newspaper. What time did it come out in Thailand. I think it was in the news early. I remember wondering why it not on TV. Then it was there in 16th.

The Mirror, with their reporter on the spot, I think had the news out first. The Thai media seems to have been about an hour later. The Nation (that seems to be the favored source here) reported it at 1:00 am:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-sealed-off-after-two-tourists-brutally-kil-30243363.html

[greenchair]

Timeline Sean.

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood ?

Noon 15th sven chat about murders . ?

8:00pm 15th party ?

12:30 fb 16th oh;not you?

1:00 fb 16th love;love ?

One needs to look at

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16.?

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview. ?

We can add it to our time line of sean⏳

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood

I do not believe Mon, but I think Jok (as someone Mon can implicitly trust) becomes a person of interest.

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16

Late on the 15th. The Mirror, who had a reporter on the spot, reported the news just after 18:00 UK time (midnight in Thailand).

Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thai-beach-murders-first-pictures-4264387

If Sean was out partying, he would not have seen this until the next day.

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview

Unclear, but probably early evening

I think Sean is interesting, but will be amazed if he took part in the murders.

That's the brit newspaper. What time did it come out in Thailand. I think it was in the news early. I remember wondering why it not on TV. Then it was there in 16th.

The Mirror, with their reporter on the spot, I think had the news out first. The Thai media seems to have been about an hour later. The Nation (that seems to be the favored source here) reported it at 1:00 am:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-sealed-off-after-two-tourists-brutally-kil-30243363.html

So how did he know. At 12.30.that story was at one. What about the paper that we cannot name. I tried for the 15th but cannot get it. You must be a member.

[falangjim]

Here is seanhttp://static.thaivisa.com/forum/uploads/monthly_09_2014/post-219560-0-64490700-1411436897.jpg

It's a shame Mon and "Big Ears" didn't off this goof. I'd have rested easier the past 4 months knowing there wasn't some <deleted> out there who knows first hand about the murders.

[IslandLover]

greenchair, on 05 Jan 2015 - 09:48, said:

greenchair, on 05 Jan 2015 - 09:09, said:

Timeline Sean.

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood

Noon 15th sven chat about murders .

8:00pm 15th party

12:30 fb 16th oh;not you

1:00 fb 16th love;love

One needs to look at

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16.

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview.

We can add it to our time line of sean⏳

Investigation update.

The interview was at the vigil on the night of the 16th.

There was a night vigil on the night of the 15th.

My guess is everyone knew who it was about lunchtime. Sean had drinks with sven at noon. He must have known. See these little liesy pies add up.

I ask again, who is Sven and what is his connection to all this? You say Sean had drinks with Sven at noon. Where did you get this information from?

[greenchair]

greenchair, on 05 Jan 2015 - 09:48, said:

greenchair, on 05 Jan 2015 - 09:09, said:

Timeline Sean.

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood

Noon 15th sven chat about murders .

8:00pm 15th party

12:30 fb 16th oh;not you

1:00 fb 16th love;love

One needs to look at

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16.

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview.

We can add it to our time line of sean⏳

Investigation update.

The interview was at the vigil on the night of the 16th.

There was a night vigil on the night of the 15th.

My guess is everyone knew who it was about lunchtime. Sean had drinks with sven at noon. He must have known. See these little liesy pies add up.

I ask again, who is Sven and what is his connection to all this? You say Sean had drinks with Sven at noon. Where did you get this information from?

Ask berribert.

Sven Hutchinson. Apparently they met at noon. Sven asked Sean about the cuts. Apparently it should be on cctv though I seriously doubt that now.

[loonodingle]

Does anyone know about Sean running off to South America.

Is it a rumour. ?

Hi I am in vehicle not ignoring thread. He posted on his Google plus I think. It was one of those things. But he posted it

[greenchair]

Timeline Sean.

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood ?

Noon 15th sven chat about murders . ?

8:00pm 15th party ?

12:30 fb 16th oh;not you?

1:00 fb 16th love;love ?

One needs to look at

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16.?

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview. ?

We can add it to our time line of sean⏳

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood

I do not believe Mon, but I think Jok (as someone Mon can implicitly trust) becomes a person of interest.

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16

Late on the 15th. The Mirror, who had a reporter on the spot, reported the news just after 18:00 UK time (midnight in Thailand).

Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thai-beach-murders-first-pictures-4264387

If Sean was out partying, he would not have seen this until the next day.

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview

Unclear, but probably early evening

I think Sean is interesting, but will be amazed if he took part in the murders.

That's the brit newspaper. What time did it come out in Thailand. I think it was in the news early. I remember wondering why it not on TV. Then it was there in 16th.

The Mirror, with their reporter on the spot, I think had the news out first. The Thai media seems to have been about an hour later. The Nation (that seems to be the favored source here) reported it at 1:00 am:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-sealed-off-after-two-tourists-brutally-kil-30243363.html

No I found another one. 15th

East Anglian Daily times.

10:47. I would say the names were well known by noon on 15th.

[boomerangutang]

Here is seanhttp://static.thaivisa.com/forum/uploads/monthly_09_2014/post-219560-0-64490700-1411436897.jpg

It's a shame Mon and "Big Ears" didn't off this goof. I'd have rested easier the past 4 months knowing there wasn't some <deleted> out there who knows first hand about the murders.

In his defense, Sean at least took a photo of his harassers - that's more than most of us would have the wherewithal to do. I don't wish harm to Sean, unless he was one of the perps, which I doubt. I do think he knows a lot more than he's willing to mention. A person doesn't need to be upstanding in order to provide clues to what happened at a crime and its aftermath. Yet, that's one of the weak links in this case - which will enable the real perps to continue to slip away. The Headman's people won't be dragged to court, but if they were (if Thailand had an adept crime investigation apparatus), here are some ways they could slink away from guilty verdicts:

>>> Even if Sean speaks out (as a witness) to implicate the real perps, he can be discounted (by Headman's defense team) because A. he may have been caught in a lie about something else, and/or B. He's not an upstanding citizen.

>>> Even if DNA (with independent Brit data) were shown to match the Headman's people with DNA found in/on Hannah, defense could say DNA is unreliable because A. Mon was on the scene soon after the crime, and/or B. The DNA trails from Thai and Brit experts don't match, so all DNA findings should be chucked in the waste can.

>>> Even if some experts agree Nomsod or Mon were shown in the KT video, defense could discount that by saying A. not all experts agree, and/or B. Nomsod was in Bkk, as proven by the U. CCTV, regardless of the fact that: nearly all observers agree it's altered.

Edited January 5, 2015 by boomerangutang

[BritTim]

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood

I do not believe Mon, but I think Jok (as someone Mon can implicitly trust) becomes a person of interest.

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16

Late on the 15th. The Mirror, who had a reporter on the spot, reported the news just after 18:00 UK time (midnight in Thailand).

Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thai-beach-murders-first-pictures-4264387

If Sean was out partying, he would not have seen this until the next day.

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview

Unclear, but probably early evening

I think Sean is interesting, but will be amazed if he took part in the murders.

That's the brit newspaper. What time did it come out in Thailand. I think it was in the news early. I remember wondering why it not on TV. Then it was there in 16th.

The Mirror, with their reporter on the spot, I think had the news out first. The Thai media seems to have been about an hour later. The Nation (that seems to be the favored source here) reported it at 1:00 am:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-sealed-off-after-two-tourists-brutally-kil-30243363.html

No I found another one. 15th

East Anglian Daily times.

10:47. I would say the names were well known by noon on 15th.

I will lay a large bet that this was long before the official announcement in Thailand, and that relatively few tourists and fewer Thai locals and Burmese guest workers were reading the East Anglican Daily News. Probably, Hannah's local paper's journalists were alerted by friends or family and, knowing the family already knew, felt justified in jumping the gun. [You probably realize this, but 10:47 UK time is 16:47 Koh Tao time,so even if the East Anglican Daily News was one of Sean's favored news sites, he might not have checked the site before starting his bar crawl.]

[greenchair]

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood

I do not believe Mon, but I think Jok (as someone Mon can implicitly trust) becomes a person of interest.

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16

Late on the 15th. The Mirror, who had a reporter on the spot, reported the news just after 18:00 UK time (midnight in Thailand).

Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thai-beach-murders-first-pictures-4264387

If Sean was out partying, he would not have seen this until the next day.

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview

Unclear, but probably early evening

I think Sean is interesting, but will be amazed if he took part in the murders.

That's the brit newspaper. What time did it come out in Thailand. I think it was in the news early. I remember wondering why it not on TV. Then it was there in 16th.

The Mirror, with their reporter on the spot, I think had the news out first. The Thai media seems to have been about an hour later. The Nation (that seems to be the favored source here) reported it at 1:00 am:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-sealed-off-after-two-tourists-brutally-kil-30243363.html

No I found another one. 15th

East Anglian Daily times.

10:47. I would say the names were well known by noon on 15th.

I will lay a large bet that this was long before the official announcement in Thailand, and that relatively few tourists and fewer Thai locals and Burmese guest workers were reading the East Anglican Daily News. Probably, Hannah's local paper's journalists were alerted by friends or family and, knowing the family already knew, felt justified in jumping the gun. [You probably realize this, but 10:47 UK time is 16:47 Koh Tao time,so even if the East Anglican Daily News was one of Sean's favored news sites, he might not have checked the site before starting his bar crawl.]

Sorry, I must disagree. The Samui times would have been down there in the early hour. If that Irish paper knew and the family knew at 4:47 thai time. Then there must be a Thai piece earlier. Don't forget thai news do not withhold names until next of kin. They just blurt it right on out for everyone to know. Keep searching. I bet their names were in print or at least on thai news early noon latest of the 15th

[loonodingle]

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood

I do not believe Mon, but I think Jok (as someone Mon can implicitly trust) becomes a person of interest.

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16

Late on the 15th. The Mirror, who had a reporter on the spot, reported the news just after 18:00 UK time (midnight in Thailand).

Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thai-beach-murders-first-pictures-4264387

If Sean was out partying, he would not have seen this until the next day.

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview

Unclear, but probably early evening

I think Sean is interesting, but will be amazed if he took part in the murders.

That's the brit newspaper. What time did it come out in Thailand. I think it was in the news early. I remember wondering why it not on TV. Then it was there in 16th.

The Mirror, with their reporter on the spot, I think had the news out first. The Thai media seems to have been about an hour later. The Nation (that seems to be the favored source here) reported it at 1:00 am:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-sealed-off-after-two-tourists-brutally-kil-30243363.html

No I found another one. 15th

East Anglian Daily times.

10:47. I would say the names were well known by noon on 15th.

I will lay a large bet that this was long before the official announcement in Thailand, and that relatively few tourists and fewer Thai locals and Burmese guest workers were reading the East Anglican Daily News. Probably, Hannah's local paper's journalists were alerted by friends or family and, knowing the family already knew, felt justified in jumping the gun. [You probably realize this, but 10:47 UK time is 16:47 Koh Tao time,so even if the East Anglican Daily News was one of Sean's favored news sites, he might not have checked the site before starting his bar crawl.]

Sorry, I must disagree. The Samui times would have been down there in the early hour. If that Irish paper knew and the family knew at 4:47 thai time. Then there must be a Thai piece earlier. Don't forget thai news do not withhold names until next of kin. They just blurt it right on out for everyone to know. Keep searching. I bet their names were in print or at least on thai news early noon latest of the 15th

Do you not think Chris Ware and Emma Madelene their closest friends didn't know. It was just down from their apartments. Considering g they didn't come home and 2 dead people on the beach. They knew for sure.

[philthebook]

Around 4pm Thai Time on the 15th the news was reported by Samui Times, initially with the names of the victims but these were removed shortly afterwards - http://www.samuitimes.com/young-english-couple-found-dead-siree-beach-koh-tao/

[BritTim]

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16

Late on the 15th. The Mirror, who had a reporter on the spot, reported the news just after 18:00 UK time (midnight in Thailand).

Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thai-beach-murders-first-pictures-4264387

If Sean was out partying, he would not have seen this until the next day.

The Mirror, with their reporter on the spot, I think had the news out first.

The Thai media seems to have been about an hour later. The Nation (that seems to be the favored source here) reported it at 1:00 am:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-sealed-off-after-two-tourists-brutally-kil-30243363.html

No I found another one. 15th

East Anglian Daily times.

10:47. I would say the names were well known by noon on 15th.

I will lay a large bet that this was long before the official announcement in Thailand, and that relatively few tourists and fewer Thai locals and Burmese guest workers were reading the East Anglican Daily News. Probably, Hannah's local paper's journalists were alerted by friends or family and, knowing the family already knew, felt justified in jumping the gun. [You probably realize this, but 10:47 UK time is 16:47 Koh Tao time,so even if the East Anglican Daily News was one of Sean's favored news sites, he might not have checked the site before starting his bar crawl.]

Sorry, I must disagree. The Samui times would have been down there in the early hour. If that Irish paper knew and the family knew at 4:47 thai time. Then there must be a Thai piece earlier. Don't forget thai news do not withhold names until next of kin. They just blurt it right on out for everyone to know. Keep searching. I bet their names were in print or at least on thai news early noon latest of the 15th

September 15 time unknown http://www.samuitimes.com/young-english-couple-found-dead-siree-beach-koh-tao/

In the early hours of Monday the 15th of September at 6-30am the police in Koh Phangan and Koh Tao received a report that a dead couple had been spotted on Siree Beach. Immigration, police and a rescue team quickly went to the scene were the found the bodies of a 24 year old man , and 23 year old woman, believed to have been a couple traveling from the UK. (names removed from the article until family have been informed)

Surprisingly, the Samui Times seems to have published no update until September 17 time unknown:

http://www.samuitimes.com/police-misidentify-murdered-britons-cctv-footage/

The Bangkok Post was definitely not naming the victims in their article posted 3:29 pm September 15.

I think the first article where they did was at 6:00 am September 16

(Unfortunately,it is difficult to research articles older than 60 days without a Bangkok Post subscription, so I might have missed an earlier article that named them, but I do not think so.

Khaosod English reported it at 2:35 pm on September 16: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1410853996

Their Thai site will have been earlier, but I cannot be bothered to find out when.

Thai PBS English News reported the murders in their breaking news at 2:32 pm September 15 without the names (or much else)

Two foreign tourists were found dead on Sairee beach in Koh Tao island in Surat Thani province Monday morning.

The bodies of a female and a male tourists were undressed. They have serious wounds on their heads, local police said.

Police said both were at their twenties and were believed to be Europeans.

I stand by my earlier statements.

Edited January 5, 2015 by BritTim

[BritTim]

Do you not think Chris Ware and Emma Madelene their closest friends didn't know. It was just down from their apartments. Considering g they didn't come home and 2 dead people on the beach. They knew for sure.

Certainly Chris and Emma will have known. So would a few others, such as staff at the guesthouse. I see no reason to suspect they would have told Sean.

[Chetzee]

Sky news tweeted the names just after 10 am uk time on the 15th

[IslandLover]

HansIsaan, on 05 Jan 2015 - 13:12, said:

greenchair, on 05 Jan 2015 - 09:09, said:

Timeline Sean.

On the night of the murder mon claims. Sean ran into the bar covered in blood. Jok (a worker) cleaned the blood

Noon 15th sven chat about murders .

8:00pm 15th party

12:30 fb 16th oh;not you

1:00 fb 16th love;love

One needs to look at

A.the time the names were released. 15 or 16.

B. What time Sean gave the firstinterview on the beach. The calm interview.

We can add it to our time line of sean⏳

And don't forget the witnesses that claimed he came to the bar accompanied by Chris Ware...

catsanddogs, on 31 Dec 2014 - 11:05, said:

Lawyer U Aung Myo Thant, a member of the team, told Mizzima they were calling on the court to summon Mr Christopher Ware and Mr Sean McAnna - friends of the two British murder victims Ms Hannah Witheridge and Mr David Millar - as they could be main witnesses in the case.

“Myanmar witnesses testify that they (Mr Ware and Mr McAnna) are related to the case. When they entered into the bar, they had injuries. Bloods stains were on their guitar. And the time was around 4 o’clock in the early morning,” said U Aung Myo Thant. “But they said they had a motorcycle accident and then they were released. Therefore, we officially requested the court to question them again.”

source http://www.mizzima.c...itish-witnesses

(19th December)

There are inaccuracies in that Mizzima report. Chris Ware's injuries were totally unrelated to Sean's. Chris is supposed to have had an accident with a burning skipping rope when he was on Koh Phangan, where he and David Miller were visiting before they went to Koh Tao. At least that is what he told the RTP and it has been widely reported in the U.K. press.

I still think Chris Ware is the best person to confirm Sean's alibi/whereabouts on the night of the murders, i.e. was he really supposed to meet up with David and didn't turn up.

Unfortunately, I doubt whether Chris Ware will want to come back to Thailand and testify at the trial of the B2 and I wouldn't blame him after the way he was intimidated by the RTP. There was a report in the Jersey Evening Post claiming that the Ware brothers were chased by sinister types whilst they were in Bangkok waiting to get back to the U.K. Whether these were undercover cops, or gangsters (OK, same, same but different, one could say), is unknown.

[loonodingle]

Around 4pm Thai Time on the 15th the news was reported by Samui Times, initially with the names of the victims but these were removed shortly afterwards - http://www.samuitimes.com/young-english-couple-found-dead-siree-beach-koh-tao/

Published: 08:49, 15 September 2014 Daily mail names them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2756102/Killer-Thai-island-two-English-backpackers-bludgeoned-death-beach.html

[BritTim]

Sky news tweeted the names just after 10 am uk time on the 15th

Really. That was naughty. It was not announced on their news site until 2:35 am September 16.

http://news.sky.com/story/1336363/manhunt-after-brits-killed-in-thai-beach-attack

I cannot easily find that tweet. Have you a direct link?

[IslandLover]

BritTim, on 05 Jan 2015 - 17:01, said:

loonodingle, on 05 Jan 2015 - 16:27, said:

Do you not think Chris Ware and Emma Madelene their closest friends didn't know. It was just down from their apartments. Considering g they didn't come home and 2 dead people on the beach. They knew for sure.

Certainly Chris and Emma will have known. So would a few others, such as staff at the guesthouse. I see no reason to suspect they would have told Sean.

Probably not, but seeing that Sairee beach is so small, that kind of news would have gone around through the bush telegraph in no time.

[IslandLover]

greenchair, on 05 Jan 2015 - 11:19, said:

Here is seanhttp://static.thaivisa.com/forum/uploads/monthly_09_2014/post-219560-0-64490700-1411436897.jpg

Well, that picture sure does add to Sean's credibility - not!

[BritTim]

Published: 08:49, 15 September 2014 Daily mail names them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2756102/Killer-Thai-island-two-English-backpackers-bludgeoned-death-beach.html

Are you quite sure the names were in the original article? The article was updated several times, the latest update at 13:34 October 3. If they did, it would be outrageous and ought to be reported. It leaking out by accident via Twitter is understandable, but a major media outlet knows the rules.

Edited January 5, 2015 by BritTim