Trump wins White House in astonishing victory

[NeverSure]

7 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

I cannot believe that I read all 500 posts. I really need to get a life.

Congrats to Pres-elect Trump.

 

You're right and this thread has turned into a mirror image of the threads that preceded the election. I chose to stay out of those threads because I knew Trump would win and didn't want to listen to much of what was said about him and others. I wanted to have a calm discussion about his presidency after the election but that's hard around here.

 

Now we've degenerated into rehashing the same things as before the election so I'm out.

 

Congratulations, Donald J. Trump.

 

Over and out.

 

Cheers.

Edited November 10, 2016 by NeverSure

[gk10002000]

Yes the overnight US stock futures plunged, but that means nothing.  The actual buys and sells when the market opened moved the market up 1.4 %

[Retiredandhappyhere]

"A disasterous loss of America's stature, leadership and moral authority."

 

If so, does this mean that we will no longer have to listen to every American and his dog telling us that the USA is "the greatest country on earth", or even as was said during the election process on Tuesday. "the greatest country God ever created".  That will indeed be a blessing! Self congratulation is no praise at all.

 

[boomerangutang]

Neversure opines: "In Hillary's world the penalty for sex outside of marriage is stoning to death.

Where is the gay or women's rights in that deal?"

 

You don't know squat about HRC if you think she's ok with Muslims' mistreatment of women.  She's spoken out passionately against such things. Trump hasn't.

 

HRC is also in favor of speaking out about abuses in China.  That's why the Chinese preferred Trump.   Trump is an isolationist who will let other countries do whatever they please in tormenting their people.  That's how Chinese and Russian leaders like it, so they can maintain business-as-usual without US pontification (rhymes with fornication, something pussy-grabbing Trump knows all about).

[alien365]

Well done to Trump. As always I will give him some time first and see what he manages to do before judging him. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, jackh said:

This is just the sort of man needed in the White House. His proven track record as a businessman will get this govt back on track with an agenda to "Make America Great Again". Of that I have no doubt.

 

You want to consider the half dozen times in past years that Trump's companies have filed for federal bankruptcy protection?  That's the kind of business practices you want the federal government to be resorting to? That's the businessman who will get this government back on track?

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/21/hillary-clinton/yep-donald-trumps-companies-have-declared-bankrupt/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/

 

 

[OMGImInPattaya]

50 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

Neversure opines: "In Hillary's world the penalty for sex outside of marriage is stoning to death.

Where is the gay or women's rights in that deal?"

 

You don't know squat about HRC if you think she's ok with Muslims' mistreatment of women.  She's spoken out passionately against such things. Trump hasn't.

 

HRC is also in favor of speaking out about abuses in China.  That's why the Chinese preferred Trump.   Trump is an isolationist who will let other countries do whatever they please in tormenting their people.  That's how Chinese and Russian leaders like it, so they can maintain business-as-usual without US pontification (rhymes with fornication, something pussy-grabbing Trump knows all about).

Ignored.

[Duvidl]

Hillary may actually win the popular vote by over a million:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clinton-pace-win-popular-vote-despite-losing-election-193600422--election.html

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, NeverSure said:

 

Give him a chance. Hillary and Obama have us on the verge of war with Russia right in Syria. The US and Russia are fighting and backing two different sides so in a way we are at war. Trump wants to get out of these wars and stop trying to nation build (which has been a disaster) and he'd like to have a conversation with Putin about jointly fighting ISIS. Putin hates ISIS.

 

Good luck to both of them. It could be historic.

 

 

There's a lot bigger things on the table here than Syria.

 

I'm not sure the Europeans and the Baltic states share your optimism, when Trump starts dissing NATO and talking about not honoring the U.S.'s defense commitments in Europe, at the same time he's buddy buddying with Putin.

 

Thus far, he's shown pretty much zero sign of standing up to Putin and Russia on anything -- and that ought to be worrying to everyone -- unless you're in the Kremlin. Leaving aside, for the moment, the alleged Russian email hacking interference in the U.S. Presidential election essentially on Trump's behalf.

 

Chamberlain in the Uk tried to get along nice with Hitler too, right up to and until the Germans began overrunning Europe. You have to wonder if Trump won't do the same with Putin.

 

Edited November 10, 2016 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[OMGImInPattaya]

1 minute ago, Duvidl said:

Hillary may actually win the popular vote by over a million:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clinton-pace-win-popular-vote-despite-losing-election-193600422--election.html

So?

[metisdead]

A post commenting on moderation has been removed.  When posting, post about the topic, not other members. 

 

Posts containing unattributed content have been removed as well. 

[JLCrab]

Curbing imports is one way to spur job creation but 77% of those who made credit card contributions to the Trump campign also shop at Wal-Mart so  (maybe) Keep Your Government Hands Off My Wal-Mart

http://blog.txn.com/comparing-the-shopping-habits-of-trump-and-clinton-supporters/

[Dagnabbit]

1 hour ago, boomerangutang said:

Neversure opines: "In Hillary's world the penalty for sex outside of marriage is stoning to death.

Where is the gay or women's rights in that deal?"

 

You don't know squat about HRC if you think she's ok with Muslims' mistreatment of women.  She's spoken out passionately against such things. Trump hasn't.

 

HRC is also in favor of speaking out about abuses in China.  That's why the Chinese preferred Trump.   Trump is an isolationist who will let other countries do whatever they please in tormenting their people.  That's how Chinese and Russian leaders like it, so they can maintain business-as-usual without US pontification (rhymes with fornication, something pussy-grabbing Trump knows all about).

 

 

She speaks out passionately against such things whilst at the same time taking money from the regimes that commit atrocities against gays.

 

Actions speak louder than words.

[hawker9000]

21 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

Disasterously damaging to America's stature, leadership, and moral authority.

 

A day which will live in infamy and America will come to deeply regret almost immediately.

Wonderfully reinvigorating to America's stature, leadership, and moral authority.

 

A day which will be remembered as the day America finally and decisively reversed course from the 8-year Obama debacle.

[Duvidl]

48 minutes ago, OMGImInPattaya said:

So?

All it means is that more Americans voted for Hillary than Trump.

[OMGImInPattaya]

Just now, Duvidl said:

All it means is that more Americans voted for Hillary than Trump.

Correct.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Duvidl said:

All it means is that more Americans voted for Hillary than Trump.

Yes, and also, it gives more credibility to the notmypresident movement. trump did NOT get a mandate to govern, and no surprise, he's totally unfit to govern. So if he is to succeed he MUST be forced to try very hard to include the MAJORITY of people that did not vote for him.

A start would be backing of from killing Obamacare, and fixing it instead, and changing his policy of picking right wing extremist SCOTUS justices, etc.

Will he back off? Probably not ... but the pressure on him to back off has CREDIBILITY, and if he doesn't back off, he will only divide the nation more severely, and yes, that's possible. If he wants to unify, he needs to enact unifying  policy. 

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

"DING DONG the witch is dead!"

[Dagnabbit]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, and also, it gives more credibility to the notmypresident movement. trump did NOT get a mandate to govern, and no surprise, he's totally unfit to govern. So if he is to succeed he MUST be forced to try very hard to include the MAJORITY of people that did not vote for him.

A start would be backing of from killing Obamacare, and fixing it instead, and changing his policy of picking right wing extremist SCOTUS justices, etc.

Will he back off? Probably not ... but the pressure on him to back off has CREDIBILITY, and if he doesn't back off, he will only divide the nation more severely, and yes, that's possible. If he wants to unify, he needs to enact unifying  policy. 

 

He got a clear mandate.

 

He fought a battle based on the electoral college system. If it had been about the popular vote, he would have changed strategies accordingly and won that.

 

Nice try at changing the rules after losing. My daughter used to do that but stopped when she hit 5.

[Boon Mee]

1 hour ago, boomerangutang said:

Neversure opines: "In Hillary's world the penalty for sex outside of marriage is stoning to death.

Where is the gay or women's rights in that deal?"

 

You don't know squat about HRC if you think she's ok with Muslims' mistreatment of women.  She's spoken out passionately against such things. Trump hasn't.

 

HRC is also in favor of speaking out about abuses in China.  That's why the Chinese preferred Trump.   Trump is an isolationist who will let other countries do whatever they please in tormenting their people.  That's how Chinese and Russian leaders like it, so they can maintain business-as-usual without US pontification (rhymes with fornication, something pussy-grabbing Trump knows all about).

Get over it.  The Clintons are history, bud! 

 

[chubby]

as we've found out, and Colbert used to say "reality has a liberal bias",   the low information people  want  their fascism for a while,  I suspect it's actually Mike Pence, whom just got elected in reality, as the Trumpster is way out of his depth. 

 

world may be safer from the left wing Hawks, but electing a 1% billionaire hardly seems the solution for  the white lower middle class  ; evangelicals voting on their anti-abortion zealotry  ; even mormons voting for the grooper/sniffler in cheif ; 

 

get ready for a lot of crisis,  and almost no reform ; and in 2018  what's left of the Right, will  suffer  on the redistrictining , that  keeps them , soon to be a minority  in a new Jim Crow system 

 

but, yes at least , the threat  of  a Russian war, and further hawkism may be reduced,  'course  the  Right wing  hawks  weren't much better,  starting the Middle east on fire, and millions dead 

[silent]

21 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Well boys, she just called Trump and conceded.

It's truly over 

Yes it is truly over by the look of all the happy white lives matter protesters across America and Canada's immigration website crashing  

 

Edited November 10, 2016 by silent

[Boon Mee]

2 minutes ago, silent said:

Yes it is truly over by the look of all the happy white lives matter protesters across America and Canada's immigration website crashing  

 

What we don't see on CNN etc is...

What the mainstream media won't show you: 300,000 people and counting at a Trump rally this morning in Philadelphia #MAGA

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

 

 

 

       Uh huh,  he's got 4,000 legal cases to attend to (which he will continue to avoid forever) which accuse him of breaking deals to contractors he promised to pay, but didn't.  He broke deals with at least two former wives ('.....'til death do us part').  He met with the Mexican prez in the afternoon, and that evening shouted from a stage; a completely different deal than that which he spoke with Nieto about.  

 

      All foreign leaders will look at those sorts of reversals in Trump's history, and they won't want to make any deals with him.  "Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me"   Nieto and other world leaders don't want to be fooled over and over.   If a foreign leader doesn't want to make a deal, they can simply not meet or walk away.  Then what's Trump going to do when he's dejected and angry?  Bomb them?   Probably.  He famously shouted, "bomb the hell out of them" in another situation.  We thought GW Bush was a war monger .....just wait until hot-head Trump gets his fingers on the buttons.

He won, she lost, he's going to be president.

No sane leader is going to treat the leader of the world's superpower as you suggest.

Few people now care about those court cases or any of the other muck that got dredged up during the campaign. The campaign is over. Even HRC and Obama have accepted it and called for people to unite behind him for the benefit of the country.

 

Then what's Trump going to do when he's dejected and angry?  Bomb them?   Probably.

Anyone that would seriously advance that sort of theory ( being polite ) isn't going to get a response from me anymore. Bye.

[Ulic]

22 hours ago, Mook23 said:

People get the politicians they deserve. 

On the contrary, people do not get the politicians the deserve.

They get the politicians they vote for.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 minutes ago, chubby said:

as we've found out, and Colbert used to say "reality has a liberal bias",   the low information people  want  their fascism for a while,  I suspect it's actually Mike Pence, whom just got elected in reality, as the Trumpster is way out of his depth. 

 

world may be safer from the left wing Hawks, but electing a 1% billionaire hardly seems the solution for  the white lower middle class  ; evangelicals voting on their anti-abortion zealotry  ; even mormons voting for the grooper/sniffler in cheif ; 

 

get ready for a lot of crisis,  and almost no reform ; and in 2018  what's left of the Right, will  suffer  on the redistrictining , that  keeps them , soon to be a minority  in a new Jim Crow system 

 

but, yes at least , the threat  of  a Russian war, and further hawkism may be reduced,  'course  the  Right wing  hawks  weren't much better,  starting the Middle east on fire, and millions dead 

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but it's worth pointing out that only a 1% billionaire could afford to become president without being controlled by the people that finance normal candidates.

As long as campaigns are financed by vested interests, they require to be repaid after the winner becomes president. Trump isn't beholden to any vested interest.

[transam]

8 minutes ago, Ulic said:

On the contrary, people do not get the politicians the deserve.

They get the politicians they vote for.

Not in the UK...

[sawadee1947]

It's not astonishing at all: He got the majority of uneducated people! More than 70%! So what?

[Sandy Freckle]

Can you squeal like a pig boy ?...., don't worry about it...., 
just go long on pork bellies !

[chubby]

47 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but it's worth pointing out that only a 1% billionaire could afford to become president without being controlled by the people that finance normal candidates.

As long as campaigns are financed by vested interests, they require to be repaid after the winner becomes president. Trump isn't beholden to any vested interest.

 

ya right, and that is why he can't release his tax return,  and his campaign manager was found on the payrolls of the russian ukranian dictator, if there ever were a definition of conflict of interest  your looking at it. 

 

anyone no point arguing the facts  with trumpsters,    reality doesn't matter 

 

PS: more right wing supreme court, can reaffirm  that  corporations are people, and money is free speech, citizens united, is your friend, yes the system is "rigged" , but   for the 1%  ;   

 

Hillary aint the 1%,  she is a dog whistle  for xenophobes,  just like her husband was ;  too bad it was Bernie v. Chump.     Trump aint gonna unite anyone,  serial liar , narcissist   ;  likely  will  forced out of office 

Edited November 10, 2016 by chubby
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