2 hours ago, giddyup said:

He doesn't appear to be going that fast and is the motorbike on the wrong side of the road? Just had a closer look, the motorbike pulls out right in front of him.

The guy is going much to fast (if you compare to the other cars) The motorbike is indeed pulling in front of him to get to the other lane (seems not to be one way there). I think both are to blame him with his speed her with not looking and crossing. But the trying to flee with a victim below your car is something that can not be forgiven. 

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

The guy is going much to fast (if you compare to the other cars) The motorbike is indeed pulling in front of him to get to the other lane (seems not to be one way there). I think both are to blame him with his speed her with not looking and crossing. But the trying to flee with a victim below your car is something that can not be forgiven. 

But the trying to flee with a victim below your car is something that can not be forgiven. 

There's no disputing that.

Just now, giddyup said:

But the trying to flee with a victim below your car is something that can not be forgiven. 

There's no disputing that.

 

The video does not make things real clear, like was she already crossing.. did the guy go much too fast ect. 

Just now, Father Fintan Stack said:

From the video, it looks like the motorcycle driver was 100% in the wrong there. 

Not sure I agree with you (nothing new here). Though id like to see it from an other angle as its not that clear. The car seems to go quite fast. 

11 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

From the video, it looks like the motorcycle driver was 100% in the wrong there. 

so that leave 0% culpability to the driver then ....... she is in the wrong for sure, but that is how families in Thailand ride their scooters, and anyone that has lived here long enough to buy a vehicle should be aquatinted with that and be tolerant of it. It is their way of life. One thing is clear from the video, he did not make any braking or avoidance manoeuvre before the impact. He clearly was not looking at the road ...... check his mobile for SMS messages and the timing of them; maybe you can review your percentage calculation  ...... my condolences again to the victim's family 

Just now, Father Fintan Stack said:

;-)

 

Yeh mate, it is hard to tell how fast he was going but she was in a ridiculous and unsafe position in the wrong lane on a blind bend.

 

Regardless of what had transpired earlier, that he was fleeing the scene of a minor accident, was drunk etc. (I certainly do not believe any Thai or Thai Police Officer's accounts) it appears that she went into the wrong lane and come a cropper.

 

If you drive like a complete idiot, this is what happens unfortunately. Hope the young victim in a coma recovers fully. 

 

And again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record... keep off the bloody roads here whenever possible, especially if you are on meds or like a swally.

Yes I agree, in a bend not a good position to cross, she was not on the wrong lane she tried to cross the road to get to the other side. (from what i seen the road was not a one way road). I just don't know how fast the car was going to see if he was liable too.. i mean going real fast towards a blind bend is also not really smart. 

 

I once was on my big bike and going over a flyover empty road.. i thought.. could go fast... i passed the crest.. and saw the road full of standing traffic. I still had enough time to brake and was not in any danger. But it was a serious mistake on my side. I never made one like that again. Now whenever I am in my car or bike going towards blind spots i reduce speed. 

 

I would never drink and drive or on what kind of drugs that is just criminal. If is proven he was either drunk or on medicine he will hang (and so he should) but what i read about the guy is that this has happened again and he already fled a scrape. So I am thinking this is going to cost him a lot.

2 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

so that leave 0% culpability to the driver then ....... she is in the wrong for sure, but that is how families in Thailand ride their scooters, and anyone that has lived here long enough to buy a vehicle should be aquatinted with that and be tolerant of it. It is their way of life. One thing is clear from the video, he did not make any braking or avoidance manoeuvre before the impact. He clearly was not looking at the road ...... check his mobile for SMS messages and the timing of them; maybe you can review your percentage calculation  ...... my condolences again to the victim's family 

As someone pointed out, it's pretty much a blind corner, maybe he was driving too fast, but he had little chance to avoid her.

2 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Ah, excuses for stupidity. "It's their way", "it's their country", etc. Nauseating I'm afraid. 

 

Unfortunately Thais continue to die like flies on their roads and it is simply because their way does not ******* work!

 

I see no way the driver of the pick-up could have avoided the motorcycle or braked harder than is demonstrated in the video either. We'll just have to disagree on that one. 

Whatever is true the Police won't have the training to give a fair account and the farang is toast partly because he IS a farang. Anyway he tried to flee the scene of another incident and THAT is stupid and unforgivable as the accident would not have happened.

1 minute ago, LannaGuy said:

Whatever is true the Police won't have the training to give a fair account and the farang is toast partly because he IS a farang. Anyway he tried to flee the scene of another incident and THAT is stupid and unforgivable as the accident would not have happened.

Anyway he tried to flee the scene of another incident and THAT is stupid and unforgivable as the accident would not have happened.

Fleeing an accident, I thought that was par for the course here.

1 minute ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Well, I would tend to doubt all Thai accounts of the incident. Emotions running high and a hated foreigner is the perpetrator. Add in a little bit of Police incompetence with shooting off guns and an alleged minor scrape with a taxi and we are getting into fairy tale territory.

 

Won't change the fact that if he was on meds or pissed he deserves everything that is coming to him. 

 

Every day I read stories like this on here I am totally and utterly convinced the best thing I have ever done is get rid of my vehicles and not drive here. I even hate taking taxis for short journeys.

The shooting was after he tried to get away with a victim under his car. 

 

I got a dashcam and in all the years here I don't feel too bothered driving here. But it is indeed one of my worsts fears taking someone out. 

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

The shooting was after he tried to get away with a victim under his car. 

 

I got a dashcam and in all the years here I don't feel too bothered driving here. But it is indeed one of my worsts fears taking someone out. 

yea me too and it's one of those times when racism will rear it's ugly head which is why I'm pedantic about Thai License, Insurance etc.  Hitting someone here put's you 75% convicted just because you're a farang (if you hit a Thai) if another farang it's not so important

Just now, LannaGuy said:

yea me too and it's one of those times when racism will rear it's ugly head which is why I'm pedantic about Thai License, Insurance etc.  Hitting someone here put's you 75% convicted just because you're a farang (if you hit a Thai) if another farang it's not so important

I hear you that is why I got good insurance, a Thai drivers-license and a dash-cam. To be honest where I live a bit out of BKK most roads are one way and traffic is busy but not crazy. If you stay on your lane and don't go to fast nothing much can happen. I worry far more about the less crowded places where you have to get off the big roads. I hated it when we drove in the south where roads were not one way and people came onto our lane all the time (overtaking others)

 

I also got good insurance on my big bike (not so much on my scooter). I know there is always a risk of hitting someone but with a dashcam you have at least some proof (if you were driving correct). 

37 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Ah, excuses for stupidity. "It's their way", "it's their country", etc. Nauseating I'm afraid. 

 

Unfortunately Thais continue to die like flies on their roads and it is simply because their way does not ******* work!

 

I see no way the driver of the pick-up could have avoided the motorcycle or braked harder than is demonstrated in the video either. We'll just have to disagree on that one. 

“Nauseating”  …. that’s your response to someone trying to understand and accept the way of life of a country they have decided to live in ….. nice; tolerance not your strong suit then.

 

As for the accident, it is clear that he does not brake at all, he obviously was not looking at the road ahead. It is not that much of a blind corner or bend, you can see both the pick up and the scooter clearly for several seconds before the impact, so they must have been able to see each other if they were looking.

 

So yes, we'll have to disagree on that one, but maybe we can agree on who was culpable for trying to drive off with the scooter, and I believe, the woman, trapped underneath the pick up …… 

4 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

“Nauseating”  …. that’s your response to someone trying to understand and accept the way of life of a country they have decided to live in ….. nice; tolerance not your strong suit then.

 

As for the accident, it is clear that he does not brake at all, he obviously was not looking at the road ahead. It is not that much of a blind corner or bend, you can see both the pick up and the scooter clearly for several seconds before the impact, so they must have been able to see each other if they were looking.

 

So yes, we'll have to disagree on that one, but maybe we can agree on who was culpable for trying to drive off with the scooter, and I believe, the woman, trapped underneath the pick up …… 

We're yet to see any footage, if it exists, of him actually trying to flee the scene. The video showing the collision should have more footage of that, don't know why it wasn't included. I'm inclined to agree with FF Stack, that it gets a little old hearing people trying to justify what amounts to idiocy on Thai roads by saying "it's their way".

14 minutes ago, giddyup said:

We're yet to see any footage, if it exists, of him actually trying to flee the scene. The video showing the collision should have more footage of that, don't know why it wasn't included. I'm inclined to agree with FF Stack, that it gets a little old hearing people trying to justify what amounts to idiocy on Thai roads by saying "it's their way".

watch it again ..... after the initial impact his pick up comes to a halt on 14 seconds with the scooter, and apparently the woman, trapped underneath ...... it remains stationary for 9 seconds although you can see it moving up and down as if it is trying to move; then on 25 seconds it moves off with the scooter and victim still underneath, it then comes to a halt on the wrong side of the road at 31 seconds ..... looks conclusive to me ??

P.S. ..... I'm assuming you have been able to view all the footage which lasts 1 minute 29 seconds

3 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

watch it again ..... after the initial impact his pick up comes to a halt on 14 seconds with the scooter, and apparently the woman, trapped underneath ...... it remains stationary for 9 seconds although you can see it moving up and down as if it is trying to move; then on 25 seconds it moves off with the scooter and victim still underneath, it then comes to a halt on the wrong side of the road at 31 seconds ..... looks conclusive to me ??

Sorry, my mistake, I didn't watch the video far enough.

On 2017-6-21 at 9:05 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The article and events are bad, that's for sure.

 

But I'm not sure what to make of the "fleeing" the scene of the accident and being chased by police bit.  The article kind of makes it sound like the guy was running away from the accident and police when the fatal crash occurred.

 

But at another point in the article, after the initial smaller accident, it says he was heading to Central for lunch.

 

He obviously didn't stop after the initial minor accidents. But it also doesn't sound like he was like racing away to avoid the police when the second, fatal crash occurred.

 

Not sure what was going on with this guy, but he does certainly seem a menace on the road. Wonder what his "mental illness" is all about.

 

At a minimum he had 2 separate accidents in minutes and now 2 fatalities. That in itself makes you think he was under some kind of influence if he wasn't drinking maybe he was on meds for his mental health issues. 

 

Either way he is in deep in it.

8 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Sorry, my mistake, I didn't watch the video far enough.

no problem buddy ...... the up and down movement when it is stationary seems to suggest that he was trying to reverse off the scooter and victim, and when this failed he tried to drive forward .....  

2 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

no problem buddy ...... the movement when it is stationary seems to suggest that he was trying to reverse off the scooter and victim, and when this failed he tried to drive forward .....  

Hard to imagine where he thought he was going to go with so many eye witnesses looking on, but it certainly suggests he wasn't of clear mind.

From all the videos, photos and reports i have seen and read, i dont believe there was anyone trapped under the vehicle, only the motorcycle.

1 minute ago, Boycie said:

From all the videos, photos and reports i have seen and read, i dont believe there was anyone trapped under the vehicle, only the motorcycle.

that makes the most sense, with the severity of the impact you would have thought that anyone on the scooter would be thrown clear.

1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

that makes the most sense, with the severity of the impact you would have thought that anyone on the scooter would be thrown clear.

Hard to imagine that the pickup driver would have been aware of that. Don't think he would be making sure anyone was under his vehicle first before he moved.

3 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

Whatever is true the Police won't have the training to give a fair account and the farang is toast partly because he IS a farang. Anyway he tried to flee the scene of another incident and THAT is stupid and unforgivable as the accident would not have happened.

did he try to flee the scene, it all happened so quickly he wouldn't to even think - possibly he was trying to the car off the road not knowing there was a bike underneath.

I'm not defending him in anyway but sh1t happens and people sitting on their keyboards viewing an accident in hindsight unfolding makes it so easy to be the expert. This unfortunate event was an accident just waiting to happen - heading off into oncoming traffic is looking for trouble - also I wouldn't be surprised if she actually slowed down as there was a bike in her path. 

 

1 hour ago, Artisi said:

did he try to flee the scene, it all happened so quickly he wouldn't to even think - possibly he was trying to the car off the road not knowing there was a bike underneath.

I'm not defending him in anyway but sh1t happens and people sitting on their keyboards viewing an accident in hindsight unfolding makes it so easy to be the expert. This unfortunate event was an accident just waiting to happen - heading off into oncoming traffic is looking for trouble - also I wouldn't be surprised if she actually slowed down as there was a bike in her path. 

 

you are actually suggesting that he could have been trying to drive his car, unaware that there was a motorcycle underneath it  ……. I suppose the fact that he had just smashed into a motorcycle at speed would not have been a small clue ……..  have you ever driven a car ?? 

 

this is a wind up, right ??

23 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

you are actually suggesting that he could have been trying to drive his car, unaware that there was a motorcycle underneath it  ……. I suppose the fact that he had just smashed into a motorcycle at speed would not have been a small clue ……..  have you ever driven a car ?? 

 

this is a wind up, right ??

Ever driven a car that has had a major impact directly into the front, if not -  don't try and be a smart arse as the comment wasn't about whether he had just smashed into the bike and aware the bike was lodged underneath. 

Some reading comprehension on your part mightn't go astray - the comment was by inference a possibility of not knowing, not knowing.  

5 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Ah, excuses for stupidity. "It's their way", "it's their country", etc. Nauseating I'm afraid. 

 

Unfortunately Thais continue to die like flies on their roads and it is simply because their way does not ******* work!

 

I see no way the driver of the pick-up could have avoided the motorcycle or braked harder than is demonstrated in the video either. We'll just have to disagree on that one. 

He would have avoided it if he hadn't driven away from the scene of his earlier accident. 

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

He would have avoided it if he hadn't driven away from the scene of his earlier accident. 

You are with a Chrystal ball then.

1 hour ago, Artisi said:

did he try to flee the scene, it all happened so quickly he wouldn't to even think - possibly he was trying to the car off the road not knowing there was a bike underneath.

I'm not defending him in anyway but sh1t happens and people sitting on their keyboards viewing an accident in hindsight unfolding makes it so easy to be the expert. This unfortunate event was an accident just waiting to happen - heading off into oncoming traffic is looking for trouble - also I wouldn't be surprised if she actually slowed down as there was a bike in her path. 

 

He can't have not seen the victims go flying into the air in front and around his windscreen.And the noise.

11 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Ever driven a car that has had a major impact directly into the front, if not -  don't try and be a smart arse as the comment wasn't about whether he had just smashed into the bike and aware the bike was lodged underneath. 

Some reading comprehension on your part mightn't go astray - the comment was by inference a possibility of not knowing, not knowing.  

you said, and I quote you exactly "possibly he was trying to the car off the road not knowing there was a bike underneath" ........ how could he possibly not know that there was a motorcycle underneath his car having just hit one  ?? I trapped a plastic parking cone beneath a car I was driving many years ago, and immediately became very aware of it .......... but a motorcycle, oh come on, stay realistic please 

 

If you think my comment was 'smart arse' your ridiculous comment was the catalyst for it  

Just now, Tilacme said:

 

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