District chief defends Pattaya bar raids

[wotaplonker]

4 hours ago, hotchilli said:

What's all the fuss about....

bars will continue to run as bars.. so you can get a drink

clubs will continue to run as clubs.. so you can drink and dance the night away

restaurants will run as restaurants... so you can get a meal

massage shops will give a genuine massage... so you can get your massage

the girls will go freelance onto the streets.. so you can get your happy ending..

Stop all the panicking !!!

and there is always the huge increasing use of social media by the gals touting for customers, Line, ThaI Friendly etc

 

i repeat again the world could not careless about the sex industry in thailand other than prevention of trafficking of women and the perverse use of under age girls and boys, and let us say again the main users of trafficked girls and the main users of under age girls and boys are thai men, in the cheap brothels found in the 000's of villages and backwaters of Thailand as well as in the 'out of view' unknown to farang areas of Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket etc etc

 

 

[JSixpack]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

And you do that in a normal business? Try doing that in your own country.

 

Businesses have different models. Big C's model is different than Lazada's. Once, Facebook wasn't "normal." Politics often affect those models, for example, creating the artificial necessity to establish an offshore HQ for tax avoidance. It's perfectly rational to expect that businesses may operate differently in Asia than in "your own country." Not realizing this obvious truth is a common source of confusion among our posters, often shocked that everything isn't the same as in the UK.

 

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Everyone knows what it is for.

 

Not necessarily. You'd be surprised how many will barfine yet in the course of the evening engage only in the most harmless activities of which our forum schoolmarms would certainly approve.

 

40 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

And that is exactly my point.

 

Which, come down to it, is an irrelevant point based on a false assumption.

Edited July 1, 2017 by JSixpack

[garbolino]

8 hours ago, Juan B Tong said:

Just getting ready for Casino Pattay.

one was supposed to be built right at the end of Jomtien beach NEVER has materialised like many things here except for a few condo blocks that are empty and always will be !!

[Lovethailandelite]

22 minutes ago, garbolino said:

one was supposed to be built right at the end of Jomtien beach NEVER has materialised like many things here except for a few condo blocks that are empty and always will be !!

The Casino is already built. It was built by government money from day 1 way over 20 years ago. Last year they actually spent a lot of money on the place. It's obviously locked off and cannot be opened yet.

[janclaes47]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The girls and boys that work in the FARANG night life sector in Pattaya are not trafficked.

 

If they want to stop crime, they should target the sector for locals.

 

5 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

The vast majority of prostitution in Pattaya is unrelated to human trafficking and a lot of human trafficking in Thailand is unrelated to prostitution.  So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

 

3 hours ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

You think that prostitution is human trafficking?  

 

The vast majority of girls do it voluntarily as it is the only way they can (hopefully) make any decent money to support themselves and their families.  The posters you refer to abhor Human Trafficking but believe that prostitution can never be stopped and, as such, should probably be properly legalised.

 

 

 

Well if you say so that prostitution is not related to human trafficking, and for sure not in Pattaya, then the police and FBI must be wrong.

 

http://pattaya-funtown.com/pattaya-beer-bar-mamasan-arrested-human-trafficking/

 

http://pattayadailynews.com/massage-shop-raided-for-human-trafficking/

 

http://pattayatoday.net/news/news-from-around-pattaya/human-trafficking-police-make-bust/

 

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/report-from-thailand-part-3

 

https://news.lovepattayathailand.com/local/karaoke-owner-behind-bars-alleged-human-trafficking/

Edited July 1, 2017 by janclaes47

[newnative]

5 hours ago, Thaidream said:

The powers that be do not like prostitution and drugs nor the in your face sex business. The crackdown will continue and step by step they will either force a bar to close or put so much pressure on the patrons in the way of Visas/extensions of stay that there are not enough patrons. In addition, they will not issue any new licenses and never renew the ones that have them.

There is plenty of money that will flow into Pattaya without the sex business. The Chinese tours and other family oriented business plus the increase in middle class Thais that come will more than make up for the loss of Western mongers,

Their goal is to force as much of the sex business they can to relocate- with more and more pressure on Walking Street and Soi 6.  It's working as most owners want out- Pataya will continue to change and so will Bangkok: Phuket and Samui. The old days are gone.

       So true.  My partner and I drove down Pattaya Beach Road this afternoon.  Sort of cloudy, iffy weather and JULY but you would have thought it was high season in December.  Absolutely packed with tourists--and the beer-bar types in a distinct minority.  There is definitely not a low season any more in Pattaya.  We looked at each other and said, if this is what it's like in July what's it going to be come winter? 

       There was a thread recently, "Could Pattaya become the new Macau?"  Who knows but, instead of that thread, how about, "Could Pattaya become the new Pattaya?"  Answer, yes--and it's happening right before our eyes.  From my balcony I look south and see the new skyline of Jomtien, Pratamnuk, and Cosy Beach. To the north, the whole big and growing highrise skyline of Naklua/Wongamat.  In Pattaya, itself, we have big new highrise condos, new and renovated malls, and lots of nice, new hotels, both large and small, opening or under construction.  Massive Terminal 21 is getting more massive every day.  If you have driven by Amari Hotel recently you will know that the hotel has started a huge redevelopment and the low-rise garden wing is being demolished--to be replaced by a new luxury hotel wing of all suites, plus another new hotel on the property, as well.   Just one example of many.

      My partner and I hit 7years here this June and it's amazing to us how Pattaya has changed in such a relatively short time.  So, so much of what we see was not here when we arrived.  It's sort of fun to look out and point and say 'Not here then' over and over and over.  Almost easier to say what was here, instead, as there is so much new.  As 'ticky tacky dive Pattaya' changes to 'luxury all-suite hotel Pattaya', as Pattaya continues to attract more and more mainstream tourists, including lots more families, it's likely that this clean-up will not be a temporary thing.  And, Pattaya will continue to thrive.

 

 

 

 

 

[dinsdale]

8 hours ago, possum1931 said:

Do you really think that the people at the top who are really coining it in are going to start with themselves? 

I....R....O...N....Y

[Thingamabob]

Utterly pathetic.

[hottrader77]

12 hours ago, mikebell said:

They are the illegal activity.

 human trafficking, crime, prostitution, drugs and guns there wont be anyone going to pattaya if they wipe out that lot .

thats what i go for , going to bed with a 20 year old girl when im in my 50s cannot beat it ! im sure the chief of police does it ha ha 

where would all these girls go and work and support their families or kids , i say bring down the cost of a roll in the hay to say 300 baht 

and pattaya would be booming !!

[thailand49]

Might want to start at the top first with the underage sex ring they got going up north, then straight to Bangkok to clean up the capital swamp, then immigration illegally allowing all the Russian, Nigerians, and now China illegal activities, then to customs to clean up the illegal super cars that are sneaking in, does the junta want more?  A little drinking and fun for us old guys aren't your problem, I think I'm contributing to your economy much more than you boys at the top are doing.

Edited July 1, 2017 by thailand49

[Orac]

 human trafficking, crime, prostitution, drugs and guns there wont be anyone going to pattaya if they wipe out that lot .
thats what i go for , going to bed with a 20 year old girl when im in my 50s cannot beat it ! im sure the chief of police does it ha ha 
where would all these girls go and work and support their families or kids , i say bring down the cost of a roll in the hay to say 300 baht 
and pattaya would be booming !!

The Chinese are coming and, since there are millions of them, the comparably few westerns here do not matter.

As with most things here the reality on the ground bears little resemblance to the figures that the powers that be are working on which is a very simple calculation of each tourist spends a set amount of money and though Chinese the tourists may spend less, though even that is questionable in the dubious figures used, there are many times more of them.

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

I've said this before and I will say it again: The mafia are easy to spot in Thailand as 95% are in uniform.

 

[hawker9000]

On ‎6‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 1:20 AM, ianc66 said:

Nuremberg?

Oh please.  You're comparing these vice-oriented raids, OR the "the just following orders" thing, to the Nazi "final solution"?   You really need to get a grip.

 

I'm not a fan of the raids, but they're not about genocide and hardly on a level with Nazi atrocities.  And if the government is simply directing its provincial underlings to carry them out, so what?  Governments do that, most all really.

 

Try and keep it on the tracks...

 

[Adeeos]

Again,,, It's NOT that tough to figure out why, a specific area,, and not the WHOLE city/area is being targeted,,, GARRANTEED there is someone, with knowledge of what is being planned,, and they want THAT specific area/realistate,,, SO use a time honored mafia tactic,, drive the existing business's out of business, by making it very hard for them to continue to do business,, Then just swoop in, buy them all up for a song,, go back to business as usual under new BIB management, and wait,, wait until a casino/condo/bar area is being developed in that specific area... It's NOT rocket science.... Watch.... It fits PERFECTLY into the undercurrent of,, "Yes, please come spend your $$,, then go home, come again do next year".. They don't WANT expats living in country full time,, They want, "quality" tourists, that spend scads of $, don't complain about getting ripped off by a taxi driver charging $1000baht, for a $40baht trip,, average tourist's coming to holiday, couldn't be bothered to complain about it,,, They WANT the $$ spending TOURIST,, not expats that spend little, but live in country full time... 

Edited July 1, 2017 by Adeeos

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

8 hours ago, newnative said:

       So true.  My partner and I drove down Pattaya Beach Road this afternoon.  Sort of cloudy, iffy weather and JULY but you would have thought it was high season in December.  Absolutely packed with tourists--and the beer-bar types in a distinct minority.  There is definitely not a low season any more in Pattaya.  We looked at each other and said, if this is what it's like in July what's it going to be come winter? 

       There was a thread recently, "Could Pattaya become the new Macau?"  Who knows but, instead of that thread, how about, "Could Pattaya become the new Pattaya?"  Answer, yes--and it's happening right before our eyes.  From my balcony I look south and see the new skyline of Jomtien, Pratamnuk, and Cosy Beach. To the north, the whole big and growing highrise skyline of Naklua/Wongamat.  In Pattaya, itself, we have big new highrise condos, new and renovated malls, and lots of nice, new hotels, both large and small, opening or under construction.  Massive Terminal 21 is getting more massive every day.  If you have driven by Amari Hotel recently you will know that the hotel has started a huge redevelopment and the low-rise garden wing is being demolished--to be replaced by a new luxury hotel wing of all suites, plus another new hotel on the property, as well.   Just one example of many.

      My partner and I hit 7years here this June and it's amazing to us how Pattaya has changed in such a relatively short time.  So, so much of what we see was not here when we arrived.  It's sort of fun to look out and point and say 'Not here then' over and over and over.  Almost easier to say what was here, instead, as there is so much new.  As 'ticky tacky dive Pattaya' changes to 'luxury all-suite hotel Pattaya', as Pattaya continues to attract more and more mainstream tourists, including lots more families, it's likely that this clean-up will not be a temporary thing.  And, Pattaya will continue to thrive.

 

 

 

 

 

You and your partner believe Pattaya will soon be transformed?

Into what, a casino?

You need a reality check.

[whatawonderfulday]

2 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

You and your partner believe Pattaya will soon be transformed?

Into what, a casino?

You need a reality check.

No it was just that their car has rose tinted film on its; windows

[newnative]

3 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

You and your partner believe Pattaya will soon be transformed?

Into what, a casino?

You need a reality check.

It's already being transformed.  Whether or not casinos come, Pattaya will survive and thrive.  I invite you to observe Bali Hai Pier around 5pm or 6pm every evening.  I invite you to observe the north Pattaya area I mentioned in my post.  Dowdy Central Center utterly transformed into Central Marina.  Massive Terminal 21 going up at  a very fast rate.  Brand new highrise hotel, not sure of the name yet, about to be finished.  Another highrise hotel still under construction. Siam@Siam.  Holiday Inn doubled in size.  Centric Sea Condo.  New, huge, Grand Pallazo Hotel.  Amari Hotel bulldozing half of its property to start construction on 2 new, more luxurious hotels.  New, name-brand fast food restaurants going in--including 3 McDonalds and a Burger King.  The Bay shopping center.  Chang Beer's land subsidiary buying Grand Sole Hotel, Imperial Hotel, and a lot of old shop houses next to Grand Sole--in addition to the huge empty lot it already owns.   Lots of smaller, boutique hotels opened in the past few years.  I could go on.  All of this is in the vicinity of Soi 6, which I think explains why Soi 6 is being targeted.  That's just one part of town--I haven't even touched on all the development in Naklua/Wongamat, Cosy Beach, Jomtien, Na Jomtien, etc.

[newnative]

2 hours ago, whatawonderfulday said:

No it was just that their car has rose tinted film on its; windows

Hmm.  Should I have said Pattaya Beach was deserted when there were so many people our car was crawling along?   Luckily we have a/c and those rose-tinted windows to keep cool. Should I have changed 'massive' Terminal 21 to 'tiny, itty bitty' Terminal 21?  Should I have ignored the huge, bulldozed, now empty land at Amari?  And, everything else I mentioned?  Whether one likes it or not, Pattaya is growing and evolving and reflecting the changing tourist dynamic. 

[janclaes47]

1 minute ago, newnative said:

Hmm.  Should I have said Pattaya Beach was deserted when there were so many people our car was crawling along? 

No, but since in the afternoon now soi 6  and many other bars are closed, it is obvious that people who come here for a holiday go to those few bars that are left open in the afternoon.

 

Why you didn't report about how empty the bars were in soi 6 - 7 and 8 at the same time?

 

Those bars on beach road have by the way always been busy during afternoons as long as I remember, and that will be so especially on a Saturday afternoon.

[Pattaya46]

20 hours ago, Thaidream said:

The powers that be do not like prostitution and drugs nor the in your face sex business. //

In addition, they will not issue any new licenses and never renew the ones that have them. //

The old days are gone.

Your wishes maybe, but certainly not the reality! No new or renewed licence? What about the 4 new agogos currently in construction in Walking Street area ?

[Pattaya46]

16 hours ago, Lovethailandelite said:

The Casino is already built. It was built by government money from day 1 way over 20 years ago. Last year they actually spent a lot of money on the place. It's obviously locked off and cannot be opened yet.

Uh? Where is this Casino in Pattaya ? 20 years and unused? Must be ruins...

[newnative]

9 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

No, but since in the afternoon now soi 6  and many other bars are closed, it is obvious that people who come here for a holiday go to those few bars that are left open in the afternoon.

 

Why you didn't report about how empty the bars were in soi 6 - 7 and 8 at the same time?

 

Those bars on beach road have by the way always been busy during afternoons as long as I remember, and that will be so especially on a Saturday afternoon.

I think you missed my point.  Pattaya is growing and changing and thriving on a different group of tourists that don't go to the bars you mentioned.  Soi 6 could be completely shut down and Pattaya would continue to thrive.   At some point in the future the whole block will probably be bulldozed when the land becomes too valuable for little shophouse-type buildings.

[janclaes47]

13 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

Your wishes maybe, but certainly not the reality! No new or renewed licence? What about the 4 new agogos currently in construction in Walking Street area ?

Since the gogo's are under construction I would assume they started some time ago, and MAY have received their license before the crack down started.

 

On another note, you probably know the disco above Candy shop think it's called hammer or so, and then you may also know that disco was sitting there fully completed for almost a decade before a license was issued.

[kaorop]

14 hours ago, newnative said:

       So true.  My partner and I drove down Pattaya Beach Road this afternoon.  Sort of cloudy, iffy weather and JULY but you would have thought it was high season in December.  Absolutely packed with tourists--and the beer-bar types in a distinct minority.  There is definitely not a low season any more in Pattaya.  We looked at each other and said, if this is what it's like in July what's it going to be come winter? 

    

 

 

 

 

 

Last week we rode our bicycles the full length of beach rd, fine sunny afternoon, it was so quiet you would have thought it was 6 am in the morning, this applied right across the route we traveled from huay yai. I've done this ride countless times in the last 5/6 years, never seen it quieter.. Maybe get the car checked it might be leaking fumes?

[janclaes47]

Just now, newnative said:

I think you missed my point.  Pattaya is growing and changing and thriving on a different group of tourists that don't go to the bars you mentioned.  Soi 6 could be completely shut down and Pattaya would continue to thrive.   At some point in the future the whole block will probably be bulldozed when the land becomes too valuable for little shophouse-type buildings.

I did get your point correctly, it was to give the false impression that Pattaya was full of tourists, by reporting that 1% of the bars in Pattaya were busy during a Saturday afternoon.

[kaorop]

9 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

Uh? Where is this Casino in Pattaya ? 20 years and unused? Must be ruins...

maybe here? lol

[janclaes47]

7 minutes ago, kaorop said:

maybe here? lol

 

 

They even have a swimming pool inside the casino.

 

 

[newnative]

19 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

I did get your point correctly, it was to give the false impression that Pattaya was full of tourists, by reporting that 1% of the bars in Pattaya were busy during a Saturday afternoon.

You are still focused on the bars.  That's not where the new tourists are. 

[NanLaew]

On 7/1/2017 at 9:12 AM, phantomfiddler said:

Why not be progressive like Singapore and have 24 hour operating times ?

...and Singapore pricing.

[NanLaew]

On 7/1/2017 at 10:26 AM, Minnehaha said:

I like the rainbow folder on his desk. 

nice touch

 

aside from that the office looks like a mausoleum. seriously. 

like he spends an hour a day there. and another could sit in the seat with 5 minutes of work done to remove any personal items.  the next guy will keep the same bust of venerated and respected persons and nothing more except a baseball cap. or 2

I think the interior design bit is over in the Thailand Real Estate Forum.