SURVEY: Brexit -- Good or Bad Idea?

[shanesox]

 
"Facts are EU a share of trade is declining! Rest of world is rising! UK is trading more with rest of world!"
 
"That share was declining until 2013, when exports to other countries increased at a faster rate. Since then the share has held steady."
 
You changed "held steady" to "declining" and then claimed other people speak bull, hilarious.

You can’t read the whole article you are full of bull*****


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[nauseus]

4 hours ago, lapamita said:

 

look at the map.... how small GB compare to EU today, and in 20 years

 

and if the EU is able to make a good relationship and tradedeals with Russia and the eastern economic zones, and build up , together with russia , the so called "silkstreet",an economic heaven and future growth over multiple decades lies ahead.

( i hope it happen, after the UA desaster is solved out, in my opinion the west part of UA goes to the EU , the eastern part to Russia. the country is to devided and the view of politicns on both side to shortterm , to get a better solution)

 

and Gb  dont wnt to join this "vision" ?

 

GB as worldpower ,is a thing of the past centurys

 

I see you've managed to split the Ukraine into bits already! I'm sure the Russians will be delighted to know how easily this can be done.  

[taipeir]

I see you've managed to split the Ukraine into bits already! I'm sure the Russians will be delighted to know how easily this can be done.  

Seems like he is getting ahead of himself a bit.

Otherwise I agreed with many of his points.

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[Khun Han]

8 hours ago, lapamita said:

 

look at the map.... how small GB compare to EU today, and in 20 years

 

and if the EU is able to make a good relationship and tradedeals with Russia and the eastern economic zones, and build up , together with russia , the so called "silkstreet",an economic heaven and future growth over multiple decades lies ahead.

( i hope it happen, after the UA desaster is solved out, in my opinion the west part of UA goes to the EU , the eastern part to Russia. the country is to devided and the view of politicns on both side to shortterm , to get a better solution)

 

and Gb  dont wnt to join this "vision" ?

 

GB as worldpower ,is a thing of the past centurys

 

 

Reads like the plot of a Roland Emmerich blockbuster!

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

On 29/10/2017 at 3:25 PM, SheungWan said:

I certainly wouldn't trust Brexiteers who spouted silly nonsense.

And the remoaners that predicted a biblical catastrophe, you would  stick with them..?

 

Independence from bureaucratic, reckless, misguided expansionism, coupled with inept and ludicrous financial planning and immense waste has to be a logical move.

Controlling our own trade terms world wide and not subject to subsidising the 26 that don't contribute is a start. Shenzhen is a huge mistake in the days of terrorism too and the immigration policy is crazy and being rejected by many EU states.

 

Cut down on the weed Bill. You need to see beyond the smoke and mirrors of the last 40 years.

 

 

 

 

 

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

On 29/10/2017 at 3:52 PM, adammike said:

The UK tried to use the EU citizens in the UK as a bargaining chip or implied that they would directly after the referendum,the bad vibes have all come from the tory scum, and yes I would trust a labour government above this lot any time.A year or two ago it looked like you were stuck with the Tories for a generation or two it's not looking that way now.When the fallout from the Harvey Wienstein hits Westminster it has the potential to cause serious damage to both the main parties,I am stocking up on beer and crisps for when the Brexit/Wienstein shit hits the fan,it's gonna be fun watching from the sidelines. 

So, we should abandon the 1m people from Britain who live in the EU to whatever whim they decide. And the 3m EU nationals living in the UK should all be protected with full rights and benefits.

Fine, I just hope you renounce your UK citizenship when you become an Irish national, as if you don't you will be a hypocrite of the 1st degree.

Anyone with a passport will still be able to travel to the UK or EU countries. If you want to work or stay long term you will need a visa in future. That is all.

 

Quite what a Hollywood film producer has to do with this is baffling. I think you are getting seriously confused. Have you never heard of the casting couch?

Martin Clunes got it right the other day: "sleep your way to the top is not new, and little short of prostitution."

 

Dianne Abbot is about as bright as an unlit candle on a dark cloudy night.

Corbyn has been a Eurosceptic for 35 years. Was that a principle U-turn or not?

Many on the left want Brexit, as the EU actually runs against most socialist ideals, unless you count all the socialist dictatorships.

Borrow and spend again. Remember "no more boom and bust" from the idiot Brown.

Populist nonsense that ends up with the same mess every time, and the Tories trying to balance the books.

 

 

 

Edited October 30, 2017 by George FmplesdaCosteedback

[aright]

19 minutes ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

And the remoaners that predicted a biblical catastrophe, you would  stick with them..?

 

Independence from bureaucratic, reckless, misguided expansionism, coupled with inept and ludicrous financial planning and immense waste has to be a logical move.

Controlling our own trade terms world wide and not subject to subsidising the 26 that don't contribute is a start. Shenzhen is a huge mistake in the days of terrorism too and the immigration policy is crazy and being rejected by many EU states.

 

Cut down on the weed Bill. You need to see beyond the smoke and mirrors of the last 40 years.

 

 

 

 

 

Good point!

Let's remind ourselves, sterling fell... well we all expected that.

What about the immediate recession we were supposed to get when we voted to leave. As I recall it didn't happen, there wasn't even a slow down in growth.

What happened to the half a million jobs which we were going to loose after a leave vote. The fact is since the vote unemployment is down. Also one of the best rates in Europe.

To some, of course, this is all silly nonsense

Your point regarding immigration is valid. How successful has the EU been with regard to the question of refugees?

On the question of foreign policy. Why did Joe Biden need to sought out Serbia, Kosovo and Bosnia? Because the EU is not up to solving it's own security problems!

  

[adammike]

8 minutes ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

So, we should abandon the 1m people from Britain who live in the EU to whatever whim they decide. And the 3m EU nationals living in the UK should all be protected with full rights and benefits.

Fine, I just hope you renounce your UK citizenship when you become an Irish national, as if you don't you will be a hypocrite of the 1st degree.

 

Quite what a Hollywood film producer has to do with this is baffling. I think you are getting seriously confused. Have you never heard of the casting couch?

Martin Clunes got it right the other day: "sleep your way to the top is not new, and little short of prostitution."

Dianne Abbot is about as bright as an unlit candle on a dark night.

Corbyn has been a Eurosceptic for 35 years. Was that a principle U-turn or not?

Many on the left want Brexit, as the EU actually runs against most socialist ideals.

Borrow and spend again. Remember "no more boom and bust" from the idiot Brown.

Populist nonsense that ends up with the same mess every time, and the Tories trying to balance the books.

 

 

 

<deleted> are you on? 36 tory MPs being investigated for sexual harassment etc according to the daily Telegraph, Weinstein has got nothing to do with Brexit but the shitstorm that's about to hit parliament hopefully mainly the Tories, along with Brexit is going to keep me entertained on these dark winter nights till I arrive in Thailand in January. It's a toss up wether Brexit or the sex will mess up the Tories biggely. Can't wait. 

[aright]

7 minutes ago, adammike said:

<deleted> are you on? 36 tory MPs being investigated for sexual harassment etc according to the daily Telegraph, Weinstein has got nothing to do with Brexit but the shitstorm that's about to hit parliament hopefully mainly the Tories, along with Brexit is going to keep me entertained on these dark winter nights till I arrive in Thailand in January. It's a toss up wether Brexit or the sex will mess up the Tories biggely. Can't wait. 

Pathetic!

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

21 minutes ago, adammike said:

<deleted> are you on? 36 tory MPs being investigated for sexual harassment etc according to the daily Telegraph, Weinstein has got nothing to do with Brexit but the shitstorm that's about to hit parliament hopefully mainly the Tories, along with Brexit is going to keep me entertained on these dark winter nights till I arrive in Thailand in January. It's a toss up wether Brexit or the sex will mess up the Tories biggely. Can't wait. 

And everything else I said?

Okay just ignore the rest...

Sex scandal in the US and the usual feminist lobby calling men "abusers and exploiters" we have heard for years.

Does anyone remember when women used their "womanly wiles" to take advantage of men to succeed, gain financial advantage or promotion?

Profumo case was different as it was national security at risk.

 

Have you got a reasonable, credible case to stay in the EU?

Most remoaners have reverted to "peace" in Europe.

That is complete rubbish, it has been Nato and the UN that has provided security and stability.

 

Coming to Thailand you will need a passport, and if you want to work or stay more than a month you will need a visa.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 30, 2017 by George FmplesdaCosteedback

[Khun Han]

44 minutes ago, adammike said:

<deleted> are you on? 36 tory MPs being investigated for sexual harassment etc according to the daily Telegraph, Weinstein has got nothing to do with Brexit but the shitstorm that's about to hit parliament hopefully mainly the Tories, along with Brexit is going to keep me entertained on these dark winter nights till I arrive in Thailand in January. It's a toss up wether Brexit or the sex will mess up the Tories biggely. Can't wait. 

 

You think illegal sexual behaviour by politicians is party political? . It's across the board. How about Labour?

 

https://labour25.com

[aright]

30 minutes ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

Have you got a reasonable case to stay in the EU?

 

 

You are wasting your time.

When asked to explain the pitfalls of leaving the EU the Remainers are full of noisy flatulence ;when asked to explain the advantages of staying in the EU you are confronted with the strain and silence of constipation.

[Khun Han]

6 minutes ago, aright said:

You are wasting your time.

When asked to explain the pitfalls of leaving the EU the Remainers are full of noisy flatulence ;when asked to explain the advantages of staying in the EU you are confronted with the strain and silence of constipation.

 

 

'But.....but.....freedom of movement. It's just so important to the vast majority of British people.....er.....isn't it? And.....er.....I love being a European.....and.....er.....I'll get back to you with the rest.'

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

 

'But.....but.....freedom of movement. It's just so important to the vast majority of British people.....er.....isn't it? And.....er.....I love being a European.....and.....er.....I'll get back to you with the rest.'

They mean bowel movement.

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[aright]

Yes you have to understand for Remainers break ups are tough. it's not EU it's me.

[vogie]

3 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

And the remoaners that predicted a biblical catastrophe, you would  stick with them..?

 

Independence from bureaucratic, reckless, misguided expansionism, coupled with inept and ludicrous financial planning and immense waste has to be a logical move.

Controlling our own trade terms world wide and not subject to subsidising the 26 that don't contribute is a start. Shenzhen is a huge mistake in the days of terrorism too and the immigration policy is crazy and being rejected by many EU states.

 

Cut down on the weed Bill. You need to see beyond the smoke and mirrors of the last 40 years.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and don't forget the 4000 bottles of champagne the EU has just ordered to be paid for courtesy of the tax payer, no accountability whatsoever!

[rufanuf]

Its amazing how many of the commentators in favor of EU talk about the economy.

 

Firstly Trade is negotiable and it has been throughout the history of mankind. Travelling across borders is also negotiable as are immigration quotas, and they have been throughout the history of soveriegn nations.

 

The right to self determination has NEVER been negotiable and the minute those in power (politicians and their puppet masters) lose sight of this, discord, fragmentation and possibly violent rebellion soon follow.

 

Tends to be the case that the larger the political block, the less self determination the individual has...governances tends to become self serving in such large human social organisational structures...just like the EU today and so many political structures throughout the world before it.

 

Nothing to see here.....move along.

[Kieran00001]

On 30/10/2017 at 12:05 PM, shanesox said:

You can’t read the whole article you are full of bull*****


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So let's just get this straight, article states that UK to EU exports are holding steady and EU to UK exports have been increasing, so where exactly is this little bit of bull about the EU trade share decreasing?

 

[taipeir]

Its amazing how many of the commentators in favor of EU talk about the economy.
 
Firstly Trade is negotiable and it has been throughout the history of mankind. Travelling across borders is also negotiable as are immigration quotas, and they have been throughout the history of soveriegn nations.
 
The right to self determination has NEVER been negotiable and the minute those in power (politicians and their puppet masters) lose sight of this, discord, fragmentation and possibly violent rebellion soon follow.
 
Tends to be the case that the larger the political block, the less self determination the individual has...governances tends to become self serving in such large human social organisational structures...just like the EU today and so many political structures throughout the world before it.
 
Nothing to see here.....move along.

Nothing to see here.

Bank of England believes Brexit could cost 75,000 finance jobs - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604

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On ‎30‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 9:47 AM, lapamita said:

 

look at the map.... how small GB compare to EU today, and in 20 years

 

and if the EU is able to make a good relationship and tradedeals with Russia and the eastern economic zones, and build up , together with russia , the so called "silkstreet",an economic heaven and future growth over multiple decades lies ahead.

( i hope it happen, after the UA desaster is solved out, in my opinion the west part of UA goes to the EU , the eastern part to Russia. the country is to devided and the view of politicns on both side to shortterm , to get a better solution)

 

and Gb  dont wnt to join this "vision" ?

 

GB as worldpower ,is a thing of the past centurys

 

Do you notice any similarities here with the early 1940's Europe?

[taipeir]

Do you notice any similarities here with the early 1940's Europe?

Both maps of Europe?

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[Laughing Gravy]

4 minutes ago, taipeir said:

Both maps of Europe?

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Yes Sherlock. Maybe put your glasses on.

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[dundee48]

2 hours ago, taipeir said:

Nothing to see here.

Bank of England believes Brexit could cost 75,000 finance jobs - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604

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Ah yes,would that be the same Bank of England that said 100,000`s of jobs would be lost immediately after a Brexit vote?

Would that be the same Bank of England that said a recession would occur immediately after Brexit,then 3 months after Brexit,then 6 months after Brexit?

Would that be the same Bank of England who`s chairman is vehemently anti Brexit and has been wrong on every dire prediction he has made so far?

[Khun Han]

7 minutes ago, dundee48 said:

Ah yes,would that be the same Bank of England that said 100,000`s of jobs would be lost immediately after a Brexit vote?

Would that be the same Bank of England that said a recession would occur immediately after Brexit,then 3 months after Brexit,then 6 months after Brexit?

Would that be the same Bank of England who`s chairman is vehemently anti Brexit and has been wrong on every dire prediction he has made so far?

 

Interesting comment from the boss of Barclays (which ties in with the news in the same article that banks are moving far less staff over to Europe than they first threatened):

 

"And the chief executive of Barclays, Jess Staley, said that Brexit was no more complicated than setting up a holding company in America, which the bank was obliged to do in 2016."

[taipeir]

  Interesting comment from the boss of Barclays (which ties in with the news in the same article that banks are moving far less staff over to Europe than they first threatened):

 

"And the chief executive of Barclays, Jess Staley, said that Brexit was no more complicated than setting up a holding company in America, which the bank was obliged to do in 2016."

 

Brexit hasn't happened yet. Wait for a few months and we will come back to this. 

 

Obviously that Jess guy is bullshitting.

 

Ouch...Looks like he will be gone soon.

 

http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/186295/barclays-suffering-its-biggest-share-price-slide-since-the-brexit-vote-slump-186295.html

 

 

 

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[citybiker]

Nothing to see here.

Bank of England believes Brexit could cost 75,000 finance jobs - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604

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So 75,000 out of a total of 1 million who work within the U.K. financial industry, allowing for retirement & reallocation to subsideries too City of London will still retain its prime hub.


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[sead]

On 2017-10-30 at 2:22 AM, lapamita said:

I am a Eu citizen.,and seen the Uk never as a strong and reliable  partner of the EU  and my feeling is, that it  will not hurt the EU , it will hurt GB.

Im my opinion , GB was made the wrong decisson in the pole to leave the EU.

 

The hope of GB is, less foreigners, more saefty and specialy, more support for the middle and lower class as well less buerocratic hurdles, amd less presure on slarys.

 

The opposite is happening. The  GB  gverment is lowering taxes for multinationals and Banks and financials. Thye doing non for the normal people.

The price of the tax burdon  will pay at the end the normal workforce.

 

So no benefit for gb, and a question remain will GB exist in future, in case scottland voting in favour of EU.

 

I know the Eu is not perfect ,its buerocratic,its a monster, but the idea of EU ,is just as perfect as it is,it is strong ,it is future.

 

I am not sad Gb leaving, the EU will further expand into the east,where People strongly belive in the EU and its vlaues. and this countrys will support the Eu in the future.Countrys like the Ukraine are much more "europe" than GB.

The EUis building up a great future,for great people ,if they can overcome their internal problems,like buerocratic hassles and the support of financials and multis in favour of the normalpeople.

 

small problems,compare to other countrys

 

The EU is building up a strong power into the future.

 

I hope the EU will stay strong,and dont deliver any Deal in favour of  GB

 

In 1995 the GBp shraed out of the Ecu( eupean curency system),normaly there  Europe had to say already Stop!

 

As Gb citizen i would have voted in favour of the EU

 

 

 

And from what eu country are you from?

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, citybiker said:

So 75,000 out of a total of 1 million who work within the U.K. financial industry, allowing for retirement & reallocation to subsideries too City of London will still retain its prime hub.


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These will not be low level munchkins

[citybiker]

These will not be low level munchkins

Understandably certain top tier ‘may’ relocate, the point & focus being that many of the global Bank’s will of course have subsidiaries bases within the EU.

Goldman Sach’s is one of a few I can mention that intend to expand within the City if London, another is considering 800 out of a total 8,000 to be EU located.

The mass exodus is unlikely to happen due to infrastructure, IT, and language factors, ill await anything further tangible.




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[Golden Triangle]

To be honest, I still think that the worst is yet to come, I would love to be proved wrong believe me but the UK economy is primarily consumer driven as far as I can work out.

 

Consumer spending & confidence is well down, as is productivity, consumer credit (car loans & credit cards) is booming, the Bank of England thinks that 75,000 jobs in the City of London's financial centre could be lost, look at the last set of figures for car manufacturing, woefully bad and no one is buying them either. 

 

And to cap it all the EU economy, if latest figures are anything to go by is now on the up, OK, unemployment is a little high but that could soon change, so all those people that voted to leave because a bit like Germany and France we were paying the Lions share into the EU pot and subsidising the likes of Greece, Spain etc are now finding that their economies are beginning to boom and we are beginning to bust.

 

The EU wants, in my opinion, to punish the UK for being an upstart daring to challenge the establishment, I would love for other countries to take the same route as us but I fear that they will wait to see the punitive Brexit bill levelled at us before proceeding, the experiment is over, it has failed and by voting to leave we are setting a precedent.

 

I read somewhere yesterday that the the EU investment Bank is going to owe the UK Billions of pounds until about 2050, if that's the case just take what we supposedly owe the EU from that and give us whatever is left.  

 

I have pensions and investments that are supposed to look after me in my lazy years as I enjoy retirement, the fall in the pound has put a dent in that, not so much as I can't go out have fun and enjoy myself but the good old GBP don't stretch as far as it used to a year or so ago, fortunately I have another pension coming on stream next year so not all doom and gloom.

 

If you have read this far then let me qualify the above by saying that I truly hope to be proved wrong, I want to see UK Plc boom, to shock the world and prove every naysayer (me included) that this was the best ever move made by the UK people.

 

Please Gawd make it so