Word Association (2024)

[MaeJoMTB]

5 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

I agree with you about ".....overbreeding and destroying the environment."  It's an issue that politicians ww are too spooked to address.  There are tangible ways to lessen human overpopulation, as there are ways to lessen pollution, but many suggestions/solutions are not effective or realistic.    

 

You'll need to explain to me how you expect underpopulated white countries to control the population of Africa, India and Asia.

(as white folk are under 15% of the world population, and that's including Jews and Hispanics as white).

I suppose nuking them might work? 

Edited October 27, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

In the sense that science is man-made you have a point. As for 30,000 climate scientists being a party to a propaganda campaign, not so much.

Happy we agree. I will even tone propaganda down to miss-information.

As for your 30,000 climate scientists, it is like asking the 30 guys NASA have looking for extraterrestrial life, if aliens really exist?

Not one of them will be honest enough to say they had to invent Tetris to keep themselves busy during the long nights at a mountain top in Chile.

 

Edited October 27, 2017 by ExpatOilWorker

[bert bloggs]

When i was very young i lived at the seaside ,and remember standing on the rocks by the sea,you could see the remenants of walls  out in the sea at low tide ,my gran said there used to be houses there a long time ago , was that global warming caused it? in the 1800s .also i believe that a castle up in Scotland that sits up high used to be at the sea front but now there is land there , was that Global warming hundreds of years ago that made the sea recede ? or was iy just natural things change .

[MaeJoMTB]

2 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

When i was very young i lived at the seaside ,and remember standing on the rocks by the sea,you could see the remenants of walls  out in the sea at low tide ,my gran said there used to be houses there a long time ago , was that global warming caused it? in the 1800s .also i believe that a castle up in Scotland that sits up high used to be at the sea front but now there is land there , was that Global warming hundreds of years ago that made the sea recede ? or was iy just natural things change .

That would probably be caused by Interglacial Isostatic Adjustment.

As the polar caps melt, the land round the equator sinks, and the land at the poles rises.

Due to the weight of the ice caps deforming the shape of the earth.

Edited October 27, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[MaeJoMTB]

3 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Happy we agree. I will even tone propaganda down to miss-information.

As for your 30,000 climate scientists, it is like asking the 30 guys NASA have looking for extraterrestrial life, if aliens really exist?

Not one of them will be honest enough to say they had to invent Tetris to keep themselves busy during the long nights at a mountain top in Chile.

 

If someone wanted to pay me $100k/year, in grants, I'd be happy to produce research results the proved conclusively global warming was real and man made. Scientists are whores like everyone else that needs money.

Edited October 27, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Correct. However we can agree that all the propaganda we get spoon fed about climate change is man-made.

In other words, you believe what you want to believe and reject all else as propaganda.  I can picture you in Galileo's time screaming "burn the heritic!".

[heybruce]

3 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

If someone wanted to pay me $100k/year, in grants, I'd be happy to produce research results the proved conclusively global warming was real and man made. Scientists are whores like everyone else that needs money.

Of course if the Koch brothers were to pay you twice as much to prove global warming wasn't real, you'd happily take that as well.  Now we know what kind of scientist you were.

[MaeJoMTB]

12 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Of course if the Koch brothers were to pay you twice as much to prove global warming wasn't real, you'd happily take that as well.  Now we know what kind of scientist you were.

I fully admit to it. I would be happy to fake results for cash, although most of the time you  could just 'cherry pick' your data.

What sort of scientist was I? One that was fully employed for my working life.

Who did I work for? The UK government (under a variety of guises) and they always wanted global warming to be real (although I never worked in that area).

I was mostly about altering pigs, a way more interesting and useful subject.

Edited October 27, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[Srikcir]

10 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

Scientists are whores like everyone else that needs money.

MaeJoMTB Post #136: "I was a scientist"

 

[heybruce]

35 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

I fully admit to it. I would be happy to fake results for cash, although most of the time you  could just 'cherry pick' your data.

What sort of scientist was I? One that was fully employed for my working life.

Who did I work for? The UK government (under a variety of guises) and they always wanted global warming to be real (although I never worked in that area).

I was mostly about altering pigs, a way more interesting and useful subject.

The big money for cherry picking data to reach false results is in private industry.  Scientists working for governments and universities are comparatively poorly paid and most are doing their work in order to expand human knowledge.  Not in your case, obviously, but for most other scientists.

 

"altering pigs"?  Genetic modifications, or were you just a pig breeder?

[owl sees all]

16 hours ago, MaeJoMTB said:

And yet, I was a scientist, and you weren't.

One day, when I was 16, Dad took me aside and asked me the big question. What do you want to do when you leave school Owl? I want to be Scientist Dad; specialising in global warming. That's very noble son but before you go down this road I want you to visit this fishing village. Just south east of Bangkok; on the coast. I did visit and,,,,,,,,,,....

 

Dad was so proud of me!

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[MaeJoMTB]

10 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"altering pigs"?  Genetic modifications, or were you just a pig breeder?

Off topic,

Genetic modification of pigs to use for spare parts. Quite a lot of vivisection.

Pigs are our closest species, apes were too exotic, expensive and hard to breed, not to mention the wrong size and subject to many restrictions. (all the liberals went apeshit over apes)

Pigs, cheap as chips, easy to breed, the right size (organs match in weight and volume), and nobody cared about them.

 

Not to mention we were never short of a free Sunday joint or two.

Edited October 27, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[owl sees all]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Reduce the population by 50% and the cause should be reduced to insignificance.

The wife passed close to me. I whispered in her ear; "I'm so hungry I could eat,,.."

She interjected; "Oh yeh!! Me too. I'm craving for it. I must have some."

"In the bedroom?"

"Yes, in the bedroom but let's do it differently."

"Yes, yes, yes! I agree. What about the instruments?"

"Let's keep it simple and clean for a change. Just a knife, a plate, and not forget the fork."

"Sounds, oh so good."

 

We leapt onto the bed and ate the cucumber.

[heybruce]

34 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

Off topic,

Genetic modification of pigs to use for spare parts. Quite a lot of vivisection.

Pigs are our closest species, apes were too exotic, expensive and hard to breed, not to mention the wrong size and subject to many restrictions. (all the liberals went apeshit over apes)

Pigs, cheap as chips, easy to breed, the right size (organs match in weight and volume), and nobody cared about them.

 

Not to mention we were never short of a free Sunday joint or two.

Really?  And you never attempted to use the scientific method to take a conjecture about a possible genetic modification through the testing stage and finally to a proven result safe for use on humans?

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

In other words, you believe what you want to believe and reject all else as propaganda.  I can picture you in Galileo's time screaming "burn the heritic!".

On the contrary, I believe in fact not what is being spoon feed to the general public because of a political agenda.

The earth has been MUCH warmer (and colder) during the past 800,000 years than it is now. Guess what, the polar caps didn't melt and the polar bears waltzed right through the warmer periods.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Just a quick pick at your exposé. 

China and India are planning to almost double their nuclear power plant capacity (10-20 each) within the next 10-20 years to meet additional power requirements. Easy to google details.

 

It is true that developing and under-developed nations are still increasing construction of coal burning power stations, ie., Thailand. Part of this is due to lack of access to capital, public awareness of environmental detriments and government leadership. Thailand as an example, government has used absolute power to quash environmental investigations and given capital priorities to high speed electric trains while a grid-wide electrical shortage exists.

Pity western governments won't invest more in nuclear. Far as I know France is the only western country to do so on a large scale, and meanwhile the greeny nutters are doing everything in their power to stop nuclear in America and the UK. Also Japan went fossil fuel after the tsunami.

If western governments actually cared enough about CC to do anything, they could, tomorrow, citing imminent death of millions as justification. That they don't, says to me that they don't actually believe in it, except as a way to tax citizens more, and increase control.

If CO2 is actually a cause of CC, the technology exists already to remove it from the atmosphere, but far as I know, the only plant in existence is in Iceland, and isn't very large.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

Of course if the Koch brothers were to pay you twice as much to prove global warming wasn't real, you'd happily take that as well.  Now we know what kind of scientist you were.

I met a lot of scientists in Antarctica. Like most of the world's population some did useful things, some did rubbish things and some were just time wasters. I guess a substantial number of scientists would do anything no matter how erroneous if it provided them with the good life. I also guess it's a lot easier getting a well paying job as a pro CC scientist than as one saying it's either nothing to do with humans or there's nothing we can do to change it. I personally subscribe to the latter, given no one wants to do anything about the actual cause of the world's problems, which is simply too many humans using up all the resources and spending more on ways to kill each other than on ways to live together and solve the problems.

If electric cars are indeed the solution, they could probably give every driver in the entire world a brand new electric car, plus an eco friendly house for the same money that is spent on the military worldwide.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

 

 

"Why is there ZERO from governments to reduce populations?" Really?

Exactly. A good first step would be to stop paying people to have children and to provide walk in no questions asked abortions to anyone that wants one, plus free contraceptives.

At the other end of life, they have to start providing legal euthanasia to anyone that wants to end the life they are living. Again, no questions asked and free.

[VocalNeal]

Too late. The western world has been feeding a whole generation in Africa and their descendants are now all over Europe like locusts.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Too late. The western world has been feeding a whole generation in Africa and their descendants are now all over Europe like locusts.

True, but it's not the feeding that caused the problem in Africa. It was saving all the lives without creating a corresponding reduction in the birth rate.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

On the contrary, I believe in fact not what is being spoon feed to the general public because of a political agenda.

The earth has been MUCH warmer (and colder) during the past 800,000 years than it is now. Guess what, the polar caps didn't melt and the polar bears waltzed right through the warmer periods.

 

Actually the polar caps are very new, geologically speaking, as are polar bears.  Changes in environment are no big deal when they occur over thousand or tens of thousands of years.  Dramatic changes in a century are the environmental equivalent of going from 100 kph to zero in under a second; it can be lethal.

 

Why do you and many others believe that climate change is a fraud being perpetrated by evil people with a political agenda?  Why do you reject the notion that climate science is being discredited by big businesses that profit from polluting and disrupting the environment?

[RickBradford]

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Why do you and many others believe that climate change is a fraud being perpetrated by evil people with a political agenda?  

 

I know this question wasn't aimed at me, but here's my viewpoint anyway.

 

As the mainstream media in the West is overwhelmingly Left-wing "progressive" and supportive of the alarmist climate change narrative, we are bombarded daily with one-sided climate stories which are at best exaggerated, and at worst, simply fabricated.

 

Take the widely used picture of the polar bear looking forlorn on an ice-floe, due, we were told, to climate-driven Arctic sea ice loss. The picture was a fake, a Photoshopped image, and the media knew it was. They used it anyway. Or take those regular pictures of power stations belching out noxious-looking gases which are, in the case of the West, almost entirely water vapour.

 

I cite these two examples because they are easy to explain, but there are a multitude of similar misrepresentations being perpetrated in the media every day.

 

When somebody ceaselessly tries to persuade you of something about which you want to keep an open mind, it is a reasonable strategy to remain unconvinced. Have you ever bought a used car? Then you know what I mean. 

 

I largely exonerate the scientists from this (except a few who have become activists, like Michael "Piltdown" Mann, inventor of the Hockey Stick hoax), but not those who distort the science for a political agenda, such as the media, the NGOs, the bureaucrats and the politicians.

 

That group of people couldn't give a s**t about the planet, or the people and creatures who live on it. They are engaged in a culture war against capitalism and the "patriarchy" and use climate as a fig-leaf to disguise their true agenda.

 

They are engaged in considerable and regular dishonesty, but I think I would stop short of using the word "evil" about them. Closer to the mark would be "completely possessed by a failed ideology."

[ilostmypassword]

2 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

 

I know this question wasn't aimed at me, but here's my viewpoint anyway.

 

As the mainstream media in the West is overwhelmingly Left-wing "progressive" and supportive of the alarmist climate change narrative, we are bombarded daily with one-sided climate stories which are at best exaggerated, and at worst, simply fabricated.

 

Take the widely used picture of the polar bear looking forlorn on an ice-floe, due, we were told, to climate-driven Arctic sea ice loss. The picture was a fake, a Photoshopped image, and the media knew it was. They used it anyway. Or take those regular pictures of power stations belching out noxious-looking gases which are, in the case of the West, almost entirely water vapour.

 

I cite these two examples because they are easy to explain, but there are a multitude of similar misrepresentations being perpetrated in the media every day.

 

When somebody ceaselessly tries to persuade you of something about which you want to keep an open mind, it is a reasonable strategy to remain unconvinced. Have you ever bought a used car? Then you know what I mean. 

 

I largely exonerate the scientists from this (except a few who have become activists, like Michael "Piltdown" Mann, inventor of the Hockey Stick hoax), but not those who distort the science for a political agenda, such as the media, the NGOs, the bureaucrats and the politicians.

 

That group of people couldn't give a s**t about the planet, or the people and creatures who live on it. They are engaged in a culture war against capitalism and the "patriarchy" and use climate as a fig-leaf to disguise their true agenda.

 

They are engaged in considerable and regular dishonesty, but I think I would stop short of using the word "evil" about them. Closer to the mark would be "completely possessed by a failed ideology."

In  other words, 30000 climate scientists can't be right.

[RickBradford]

1 minute ago, ilostmypassword said:

In  other words, 30000 climate scientists can't be right.

Those are certainly other words, and not even related to anything I wrote.

[ilostmypassword]

1 minute ago, RickBradford said:

Those are certainly other words, and not even related to anything I wrote.

Except, of course, that their work supports the stance of  "the media. the NGOs, the bureaucrats, and the politicians."

[RickBradford]

Just now, ilostmypassword said:

Except, of course, that their work supports the stance of  "the media. the NGOs, the bureaucrats, and the politicians."

You obviously didn't read my post, which was exactly on this point.

 

The science is usually cautious and measured, but its presentation by "the media, the NGOs, the bureaucrats, and the politicians" is shrill, alarmist, extreme, often deliberately misleading and mendacious, and always agenda-driven.

 

Contrast the measured science in the IPCC reports, with the desperate doom-laden cries of activists like Christina "Tinkerbell" Figueres, that renowned climate expert Bob Geldof, the Maldives government, the legacy media and similar uninformed nimrods, and you can see dishonest agendas at play everywhere among the latter.

 

[boomerangutang]

10 hours ago, MaeJoMTB said:

You'll need to explain to me how you expect underpopulated white countries to control the population of Africa, India and Asia.

(as white folk are under 15% of the world population, and that's including Jews and Hispanics as white). I suppose nuking them might work? 

Your attempt at wry humor underwhelms me.  

Here are some suggestions:

>>>  free condoms and other contraceptive choices for anyone.  Note, there are places where it's rare to find a teenage girl who has not been raped and/or had a baby whose inseminator has run off.

>>>  free surgical tube-tying for anyone over 22 who has spoken with a social worker prior.

>>>  free abortions on demand, up to 2nd trimester.

 

You're the one putting the word 'white' in the conversations.  Do you have an agenda based on peoples' skin color?

 

 

[RickBradford]

8 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

Your attempt at wry humor underwhelms me.  

Here are some suggestions:

>>>  free condoms and other contraceptive choices for anyone.  Note, there are places where it's rare to find a teenage girl who has not been raped and/or had a baby whose inseminator has run off.

>>>  free surgical tube-tying for anyone over 22 who has spoken with a social worker prior.

>>>  free abortions on demand, up to 2nd trimester.

 

You're the one putting the word 'white' in the conversations.  Do you have an agenda based on peoples' skin color?

 

Perhaps if the West weren't p**sing away $1 billion a day on meaningless climate-related activities, there might be more money available to persuade Third World governments to try policies like these.

[MaeJoMTB]

17 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

Your attempt at wry humor underwhelms me.  

Here are some suggestions:

>>>  free condoms and other contraceptive choices for anyone.  Note, there are places where it's rare to find a teenage girl who has not been raped and/or had a baby whose inseminator has run off.

>>>  free surgical tube-tying for anyone over 22 who has spoken with a social worker prior.

>>>  free abortions on demand, up to 2nd trimester.

 

You're the one putting the word 'white' in the conversations.  Do you have an agenda based on peoples' skin color?

 

 

White folk are usually the only ones that will use contraceptives.

Other races like babies, father not generally required.

 

You show me a liberal social idea/movement/policy , and it'll be based on harming white folk.

Liberals hate themselves and all other white people.

It's madness. 

Edited October 27, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[ilostmypassword]

32 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

You obviously didn't read my post, which was exactly on this point.

 

The science is usually cautious and measured, but its presentation by "the media, the NGOs, the bureaucrats, and the politicians" is shrill, alarmist, extreme, often deliberately misleading and mendacious, and always agenda-driven.

 

Contrast the measured science in the IPCC reports, with the desperate doom-laden cries of activists like Christina "Tinkerbell" Figueres, that renowned climate expert Bob Geldof, the Maldives government, the legacy media and similar uninformed nimrods, and you can see dishonest agendas at play everywhere among the latter.

 

Here are 3 of the 4 general findings of the 5th IPCC report:

• Warming of the atmosphere and ocean system is unequivocal...
• There is a clear human influence on the climate
• It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of observed warming since 1950, with the level of confidence having increased since the fourth report.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fifth_Assessment_Report

Because of fair use rules I didn't quote the first finding in its entirety. It goes on to say but it does say that the rate of change since 1950 is unprecedented.

The 4th finding warns that the longer emission reduction is delayed the greater the cost.

A further finding is that it can said with high confidence that the arctic ice is continuing to lessen in extent.

 

I guess you have no problem with any of this.

 

Edited October 27, 2017 by ilostmypassword