Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[Grouse]

32 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

Interesting point in the attached link from someone paid to know this sort of thing - basically people do not vote in their own interests based on their current situation but based on the person they aspire to be which is usually rich so not affected by money problems.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-poor-people-vote-for-the-Conservative-Party-in-the-UK/answer/Nick-Schön?share=e15b996e&srid=hdUGS


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Yes, that is SO true!

[Grouse]

18 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

IQ does not equate to wisdom.

Correct! It was a cheap gag!

[Grouse]

16 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you saying Brexiteers, the majority voters, are not....?

I'm saying nothing ?

[soalbundy]

43 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Or more accurately a slave of EU.

pray tell, whose slave are you now. Whose slave were your parents and grandparents.

[Grouse]

14 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Please give up on the 'I'm more intelligent than you' line of argument .

 

You're not.

 

You're just more arrogant.

I am MUCH more arrogant than you! ?

[transam]

Just now, Grouse said:

I'm saying nothing ?

Well that makes a change...I was going to ask if you knew what a "narcissist' was but l prefer you saying nothing....

[talahtnut]

15 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Please give up on the 'I'm more intelligent than you' line of argument .

 

You're not.

 

You're just more arrogant.

3 in a row...Jackpot

[aright]

40 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

Interesting point in the attached link from someone paid to know this sort of thing - basically people do not vote in their own interests based on their current situation but based on the person they aspire to be which is usually rich so not affected by money problems.

 

Am I missing something? Doesn't your current situation govern your aspirations?

 

[Grouse]

11 minutes ago, aright said:

Perhaps a preponderance of Christianity!

Personally, as a born again atheist, I feel religion generally is responsible for much of the world's grief. We should start by ensuring all stat s are secular.

[Rally123]

17 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Please give up on the 'I'm more intelligent than you' line of argument .

 

You're not.

 

You're just more arrogant.

I'd put it stronger but my post would only be deleted. 'Smarmy' is a nice way of putting it.

[Grouse]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Well that makes a change...I was going to ask if you knew what a "narcissist' was but l prefer you saying nothing....

It's a flower isn't it?

[Grouse]

Just now, Rally123 said:

I'd put it stronger but my post would only be deleted. 'Smarmy' is a nice way of putting it.

How's the bike? You never did tell us what colour it is! ?

[talahtnut]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

It's a flower isn't it?

Yes Petal.

[aright]

4 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Personally, as a born again atheist, I feel religion generally is responsible for much of the world's grief. We should start by ensuring all stat s are secular.

Its good you are an atheist and not a Muslim.

"No one will enter Paradise in whose heart is a mustard-seed of Arrogance"

The Prophet Mohammed

 

[talahtnut]

12 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

pray tell, whose slave are you now. Whose slave were your parents and grandparents.

We are all enslaved, read Admiralty Law.

[Grouse]

11 minutes ago, Rally123 said:

I'd put it stronger but my post would only be deleted. 'Smarmy' is a nice way of putting it.

BTW, if you want to insult me, please use the correct words. Smarmy is a common synonym for obsequious. You will be hard pushed to find anyone less less like Uriah Heep than I!

 

Arrogant, condescending, obnoxious? Maybe. Smarmy? No, I don't think so! (If that's alright with you?) ? 

Edited March 28, 2018 by Grouse

[nauseus]

28 minutes ago, Grouse said:

This is a key issue

 

People ARE going to live even longer

 

Many higher paid jobs are going to be replaced by machines.

 

We need a new system of distributing the wealth generated

 

A basic salary is one idea.

 

Ultimately we will need to manage with far fewer "workers" IF we can get people to do menial tasks.

 

It will a long time before machines replace nurses, care workers and waiters!

 

 

Yes, a few years before there's enough automatons and automatrons! 

[Grouse]

5 minutes ago, aright said:

Its good you are an atheist and not a Muslim.

"No one will enter Paradise in whose heart is a mustard-seed of Arrogance"

The Prophet Mohammed

 

Well I never knew that. Thank you!

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

Well I never knew that. Thank you!

Ham sandwich anyone?

[Orac]

Am I missing something? Doesn't your current situation govern your aspirations?
 

Not necessarily.

I aspire to own a boat but my current circumstances won’t allow it - Bullseye is no longer on TV and wife won’t let me. Now I could get rid of the wife to achieve my dreams but, thinking it through, the loss of my family and the disruption to my life would in no way be worth it.

If you substitute boat for sovereignty and wife for EU it works as well.


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[talahtnut]

Don't upset Grouse to much, I quite like him, great entertainment,

reminds me of Alf Garnet in way.

[talahtnut]

8 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

Not necessarily.

I aspire to own a boat but my current circumstances won’t allow it - Bullseye is no longer on TV and wife won’t let me. Now I could get rid of the wife to achieve my dreams but, thinking it through, the loss of my family and the disruption to my life would in no way be worth it.

If you substitute boat for sovereignty and wife for EU it works as well.


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Wise man to reject the material world.

If it Flies, Floats, or  <deleted> you hire it.

[aright]

17 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

Not necessarily.

I aspire to own a boat but my current circumstances won’t allow it - 
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That maybe true but aspirations aren't necessarily outcomes. The fact your current circumstances wont allow you to own a boat doesn't change your aspirations, does it?

Edited March 28, 2018 by aright

[CG1 Blue]

5 hours ago, Grouse said:

BTW, heartwarming that the UK got such magnificent support from our European friends!

I agree it was heartwarming.

But on the other hand it would have been very childish if the EU / EU member states had not backed the UK out of spite.

[CG1 Blue]

8 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

And as for being overful, our economy relies on the size it has become, the last thing we want is to start getting smaller, that would be disastrous as we have an aging population and without the young working migrants contributions we will be left with a massive and unaffordable bill for the future.

This might be true if the EU migrants had long term plans to put down permanent roots in the UK. The majority are simply spending a couple of years in the UK to earn loads of money to spend when they return to their home country.

 

Don't get me wrong - I don't blame them.  But I think you confuse what the UK has (a kind of smash and grab immigration) with long term population replacement such as that being called for in Japan.

[cooked]

18 hours ago, aright said:

There is no choice in Islam. What does Erdogan and the majority of people in the Middle East say?

"Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007".

It isn't a religion of peace, and that isn't an insult to Islam. ISIS follows Islam to the letter, that's not to be denied.

KKK? the liberal left are obsessed by the thought of the KKK ... did you ever see one? They are without significance in the scheme of things.

 

[soalbundy]

excellent posts of late, amusing and without the insults.

[CG1 Blue]

22 minutes ago, cooked said:

There is no choice in Islam. What does Erdogan and the majority of people in the Middle East say?

"Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007".

It isn't a religion of peace, and that isn't an insult to Islam. ISIS follows Islam to the letter, that's not to be denied.

KKK? the liberal left are obsessed by the thought of the KKK ... did you ever see one? They are without significance in the scheme of things.

 

Yep.  When people are jumpy hearing an unusual noise on a train packed with passengers, or walking across a bridge and hearing a vehicle accelerating behind you, or when parents are petrified leaving their teenage kids at a pop concert, I don’t think the KKK spring to mind.   

[aright]

36 minutes ago, cooked said:

 

It isn't a religion of peace, and that isn't an insult to Islam. ISIS follows Islam to the letter, that's not to be denied.

 

Islam certainly has many global problems as a result of ISIS. Imo your mistake is ISIS follows ISIS to the letter not Islam. If Islam is the problem you claim it to be why are the following countries, in the main, exempt from  on and off shore terrorism. These countries are regarded as safe and peaceful with far less hard core violence than many other Islamic nations.

Saudi Arabia....97% Muslim

Jordon.....95% M

Indonesia .....90%M

Kuwait....100%M

Algeria......98%M

 

https://www.quora.com/Which-is-the-most-peaceful-Muslim-country-in-terms-of-low-crime-rate-and-peaceful-in-domestic-and-international-affairs

 

Edited March 28, 2018 by aright

[Kieran00001]

44 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

This might be true if the EU migrants had long term plans to put down permanent roots in the UK. The majority are simply spending a couple of years in the UK to earn loads of money to spend when they return to their home country.

 

Don't get me wrong - I don't blame them.  But I think you confuse what the UK has (a kind of smash and grab immigration) with long term population replacement such as that being called for in Japan.

 

What we can't do is reduce immigration to the point where our population shrinks, that would be very bad for us all.