Thai IDs for Foreigners and their beneifts

[jackdd]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hare said:

Yes I do have PR, but people that own a condo also have the blue book. The blue book is for the owner of the building, house or condo. It does not belong to a particular person. When you sell the house or condo the blue book is transferred to the new owner. Daytrader99 above must own his own condo and therefore has the legal ownership blue house registration book. If you read the forum on Thai visas etc you will find this information clearly written there. 

Afaik if you own a condo you are listed in the blue book as house master but not as resident. To get a pink ID card you have to be listed as resident. The only way to be listed as resident without PR is in yellow book. So you either need to have PR or a yellow book to get the pink ID card

Edited June 3, 2018 by jackdd

[Peterw42]

1 minute ago, Michael Hare said:

Yes I do have PR, but people that own a condo also have the blue book. The blue book is for the owner of the building, house or condo. It does not belong to a particular person. When you sell the house or condo the blue book is transferred to the new owner. Daytrader99 above must own his own condo and therefore has the legal ownership blue house registration book. If you read the forum on Thai visas etc you will find this information clearly written there. 

Yes, I have a blue book for my condo, its blank, I cant go in it and no Thais live here. I went and got a yellow book, i am house master in the yellow book, then got a ID card.

I would still make the statement that you cannot get Pink ID using blue book, unless of course you have PR. Anyone with PR would already know that and wouldn't be asking, how do I get ID.

[Peterw42]

11 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Afaik if you own a condo you are listed in the blue book as owner but not as resident

If you own a condo the blue book is blank. 

[Michael Hare]

5 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Yes, I have a blue book for my condo, its blank, I cant go in it and no Thais live here. I went and got a yellow book, i am house master in the yellow book, then got a ID card.

I would still make the statement that you cannot get Pink ID using blue book, unless of course you have PR. Anyone with PR would already know that and wouldn't be asking, how do I get ID.

Beg to differ. if one owns a condo and lives there, is a long-term resident, has a blue book with their name in it, the authorities will issue one with an ID card. As your blue book is blank it is meaningless. You don't live there at all. You live elsewhere, hence the yellow book.

[scorecard]

40 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The statement is a lost in translation thing, it basically says (or means) not transferable, if you move to another province you get another ID from that province.

 

Yes I understand that, I was referring to using the card at airline check-in and at the departure gate. I've had refusal to accept it in both scenarios, and on each occasion it was after the clerk read the back of the card.

 

In these scenarios not practical to go and get the card reissued in another province and in any case I don't want it reissued in another province. 

 

 

 

[scorecard]

17 hours ago, Patriot said:

Michael, did you stay in the same tambon when you moved house. I seem to remember when I acquired my yellow book a few years ago I was advised ( by whom I can’t remember) that if one remains in the same tambon then renewing the yellow book is not essential????

 

I'm assuming you mean the tabien baan book (household registration book).

 

You mentioned 'then renewing the yellow book is not essential' and i'm assuming you mean the tabien baan book (household registration book).

 

Unless there has been a major change in the procedures there is no 'renewal' of this book (any tabien baan book).

 

But what is needed is to add / delete the names in the book as people become domiciled / move out to be domiciled elsewhere.

 

Add / remove is a very simple procedure, no questions asked if the documents you provide are in order, 5 to 10 minutes and the last time we added a name (the birth of my Thai granddaughter) the fee was 20Baht. (From my direct experience the fee is the same for Thai citizens and non-Thai citizens and for PR holders - 20Baht).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jackdd]

7 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Yes I understand that, I was referring to using the card at airline check-in and at the departure gate. I've had refusal to accept it in both scenarios, and on each occasion it was after the clerk read the back of the card.

 

In these scenarios not practical to go and get the card reissued in another province and in any case I don't want it reissued in another province.

Somebody wrote before that the name on the card is only in Thai script. So did the name on your ticket match your name on the card (was in Thai script)?

[Peterw42]

26 minutes ago, Michael Hare said:

Beg to differ. if one owns a condo and lives there, is a long-term resident, has a blue book with their name in it, the authorities will issue one with an ID card. As your blue book is blank it is meaningless. You don't live there at all. You live elsewhere, hence the yellow book.

I live in my Condo, have done for 5 years. I still cannot go in a blue book, I dont have PR. You appear to be confusing long term resident with Permanent Residency. People with PR dont have a visa/extension, they dont do 90 day reports etc and they can go in blue books.

Foreigners cannot go in Blue Book, unless you are one of the small percentage who have gone on to get Permanent Residency.

The whole reason a yellow book exists is because foreigners cannot go in a blue book.

 

99% of the people asking about Pink ID do not have PR and therefore cannot go in a blue book. Why advise (the 99%) people that they can go in a blue book and can get an ID using that blue book.

 

There are (in theory) 2 house books for every property, a blue book for Thais and PR (PR does not mean long stay), a yellow book for foreigners (even if they have been here 20 years). 

Edited June 3, 2018 by Peterw42

[Patriot]

11 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

I'm assuming you mean the tabien baan book (household registration book).

 

You mentioned 'then renewing the yellow book is not essential' and i'm assuming you mean the tabien baan book (household registration book).

 

Unless there has been a major change in the procedures there is no 'renewal' of this book (any tabien baan book).

 

But what is needed is to add / delete the names in the book as people become domiciled / move out to be domiciled elsewhere.

 

Add / remove is a very simple procedure, no questions asked if the documents you provide are in order, 5 to 10 minutes and the last time we added a name (the birth of my Thai granddaughter) the fee was 20Baht. (From my direct experience the fee is the same for Thai citizens and non-Thai citizens and for PR holders - 20Baht).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi scorecard. 

Thanks. I was referring to my Yellow Book which I think pertains more to myself than the property itself. 

If I were to change the address from my current rented accommodation 400 meters down the road o wondered what shenanigans would be involved 

[Peterw42]

13 minutes ago, Patriot said:

Hi scorecard. 

Thanks. I was referring to my Yellow Book which I think pertains more to myself than the property itself. 

If I were to change the address from my current rented accommodation 400 meters down the road o wondered what shenanigans would be involved 

Yellow book, like blue book, goes with the property. If you move it would mean a new yellow book for the new address and you would go in that new book.

[Patriot]

6 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Yellow book, like blue book, goes with the property. If you move it would mean a new yellow book for the new address and you would go in that new book.

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[Peterw42]

45 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Yes I understand that, I was referring to using the card at airline check-in and at the departure gate. I've had refusal to accept it in both scenarios, and on each occasion it was after the clerk read the back of the card.

 

In these scenarios not practical to go and get the card reissued in another province and in any case I don't want it reissued in another province. 

 

 

 

They really need to reword the back of the card because everyone including Thais takes it to mean you cannot travel. 

[Patriot]

On Friday, June 01, 2018 at 7:46 PM, Lamkyong said:

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[Rally123]

Some people on here claim they use the 'Pink ID Card' to travel on domestic flights and National Parks etc. My understanding is that the 'Pink ID Card' is only acceptable in the province of issue? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[noahvail]

1 minute ago, Rally123 said:

Some people on here claim they use the 'Pink ID Card' to travel on domestic flights and National Parks etc. My understanding is that the 'Pink ID Card' is only acceptable in the province of issue? Correct me if I'm wrong.

My province doesn’t have an airport, yet I use my pink ID card going through security at the other 3 airports I use.

 

[Naroge]

On 6/2/2018 at 12:15 PM, noahvail said:

Your post highlights the inconsistency that Thai workers have in understanding and implementing laws and regulations. Even though my Two Thai Drivers Licenses have never been accepted for the items I listed, you and I actually have no argument.

 

Sorry, but your reply is non sense. The Thai workers  where the pink ID is a legally valid document, they know about it (i.e at official offices within the Amphur the ID is issued). In all other places the ID is not a valid document and it's not surprising if the "Thai workers" are confused and sometime accept it and sometime not. Don't blame the local guys. 

[kamalabob2]

My pink Thai ID has proven very useful at the post office, telephone shop for a SIM card, selected hotels and it has made store clerks quickly understand my home address. However in April 2018 it was not valid for boarding a domestic flight at the Buriram airport. No need to argue I had my passport. I always carry the Thai ID, and I will carry my passport when taking a flight or NCA bus ride. The local banks are OK with the Thai ID on some situations and other situations or other branches I would be foolish to NOT bring my passport. It is too easy for Thai staff to say NO, and you lose time.  It is not hard to bring my Passport to a bank if I have a request for a new debit card, safety box, etc..  

[scorecard]

13 hours ago, jackdd said:

Somebody wrote before that the name on the card is only in Thai script. So did the name on your ticket match your name on the card (was in Thai script)?

 Yes and No.

 

Yes.   Several times I offered booking docs / boarding pass docs. and the pink card (at check-in and at the gate), docs in English, pink card Thai script and all accepted. Which means that the check-in clerk and the gate staff were doing a mental translation from English to Thai / Thai to English. Doing it like that, is it breaking any security etc., regulations? I don't know. 

 

No.    The two times the pink card was quickly rejected the same details as above; docs in English, pink card Thai script. Card handed back and a quick request 'passport please'. 

 

 

[Hans Rayong]

On 6/3/2018 at 12:34 PM, Rally123 said:

Some people on here claim they use the 'Pink ID Card' to travel on domestic flights and National Parks etc. My understanding is that the 'Pink ID Card' is only acceptable in the province of issue? Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's right, but during my two years as a pink ID card owner I have never seen a Thai who read the information on the back of the card. Sometimes I am joking and say that ordinary people get blue ID cards and V.I.P. people get pink cards. Strange but many Thais belive me ?

[Hans Rayong]

On 6/3/2018 at 3:05 PM, Naroge said:

Sorry, but your reply is non sense. The Thai workers  where the pink ID is a legally valid document, they know about it (i.e at official offices within the Amphur the ID is issued). In all other places the ID is not a valid document and it's not surprising if the "Thai workers" are confused and sometime accept it and sometime not. Don't blame the local guys. 

Province - not Amphur (read the backside of the card).

[Hans Rayong]

On 6/3/2018 at 8:45 AM, Peterw42 said:

I live in my Condo, have done for 5 years. I still cannot go in a blue book, I dont have PR. You appear to be confusing long term resident with Permanent Residency. People with PR dont have a visa/extension, they dont do 90 day reports etc and they can go in blue books.

Foreigners cannot go in Blue Book, unless you are one of the small percentage who have gone on to get Permanent Residency.

The whole reason a yellow book exists is because foreigners cannot go in a blue book.

 

99% of the people asking about Pink ID do not have PR and therefore cannot go in a blue book. Why advise (the 99%) people that they can go in a blue book and can get an ID using that blue book.

 

There are (in theory) 2 house books for every property, a blue book for Thais and PR (PR does not mean long stay), a yellow book for foreigners (even if they have been here 20 years). 

The yellow book states that the holder either lives temporarily in the country or lives illegally in the country. 

[daytraderuk99]

hi  i own  condo and  have  blue  book ...can  you tell me  how and what i need to get a  yellow  book...and then  pink id  ......i stay  Patts twice a year for 3 months  thanks

[Peterw42]

11 minutes ago, daytraderuk99 said:

hi  i own  condo and  have  blue  book ...can  you tell me  how and what i need to get a  yellow  book...and then  pink id  ......i stay  Patts twice a year for 3 months  thanks

Pattaya city hall. see below for required documents

 

[Peterw42]

42 minutes ago, Hans Rayong said:

The yellow book states that the holder either lives temporarily in the country or lives illegally in the country. 

There is nothing in a yellow book that says anything remotely like that. You wouldn't get a yellow book or go in one if you are in Thailand illegally, you need to present current Visa/extension, resident certificate etc.

 

The fields in the yellow book are, Name, nationality, DOB, sex, citizen number, housemaster yes/no, your parents names and the date you went in the yellow book. There are no fields or statements in the yellow book about lives temp or illegally.

[jackdd]

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

There is nothing in a yellow book that says anything remotely like that. You wouldn't get a yellow book or go in one if you are in Thailand illegally, you need to present current Visa/extension, resident certificate etc.

 

The fields in the yellow book are, Name, nationality, DOB, sex, citizen number, housemaster yes/no, your parents names and the date you went in the yellow book. There are no fields or statements in the yellow book about lives temp or illegally.

No idea if this is written somewhere on the yellow book, because i don't have one, but from the dopa website:

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ทะเบียนบ้าน (ท.ร.13) ใช้ลงรายการของคนต่างด้าวที่เข้าเมืองโดยชอบด้วยกฎหมายแต่อยู่ใน ลักษณะชั่วคราว หรือเข้าเมืองโดย มิชอบด้วยกฎหมายตามกฎหมายว่าด้วยคนเข้าเมือง

Summary: House book for foreigners who stay temporarily and people who entered illegally. But i'm quite sure this applies only to stateless people and if we enter Thailand illegally we can not be in a yellow book ?

Edited June 5, 2018 by jackdd

[Michael Hare]

4 hours ago, Hans Rayong said:

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  On 6/3/2018 at 3:05 PM, Naroge said:

Sorry, but your reply is non sense. The Thai workers  where the pink ID is a legally valid document, they know about it (i.e at official offices within the Amphur the ID is issued). In all other places the ID is not a valid document and it's not surprising if the "Thai workers" are confused and sometime accept it and sometime not. Don't blame the local guys. 

Province - not Amphur (read the backside of the card).

 

I think that Naroge is talking about where the ID card was issued from and where it was obtained from. My first card was from Ubon city council office when I lived in the Tambon Muang and the second one was from the Amphur office when I moved house outside the city council tambon area. 

[garzhe]

On 6/1/2018 at 10:15 PM, Sheryl said:

If anyone has successfully used it at Khao Yai please let me know - that would motivate me to get one as I live near it and have occasion to use that road.

Earlier this year I drove through Khao Yai from Prachinburi.  Showed my ID card and was charged Thai price. On returning the other way 4 days later I was refused the Thai price. On remonstrating I was shown a letter from the national park headquarters with a picture of the pink ID card saying I was told (by my Thai GF I dont read Thai) that this card was not valid for entry at the Thai price.  

Since then I have entered Kaeng Krachan National park and the ID has been accepted. Seems theres confusion among park staff.  Always been accepted at hotels without my passport and at all private venues I've visited. I've been stopped at checkpoints and police have never questioned it or asked for my passport. Seems its only the Government National parks that are being racialist.

 

[Hans Rayong]

6 hours ago, Michael Hare said:

  On 6/3/2018 at 3:05 PM, Naroge said:

Sorry, but your reply is non sense. The Thai workers  where the pink ID is a legally valid document, they know about it (i.e at official offices within the Amphur the ID is issued). In all other places the ID is not a valid document and it's not surprising if the "Thai workers" are confused and sometime accept it and sometime not. Don't blame the local guys. 

Province - not Amphur (read the backside of the card).

 

I think that Naroge is talking about where the ID card was issued from and where it was obtained from. My first card was from Ubon city council office when I lived in the Tambon Muang and the second one was from the Amphur office when I moved house outside the city council tambon area. 

Ask some smart thai to translate the text on the back of the ID card. The text is "Province" is not "Amphur". There is the same text on ID cards, regardless of which country you are from, UK, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia or Sweden.

[Hans Rayong]

8 hours ago, jackdd said:

No idea if this is written somewhere on the yellow book, because i don't have one, but from the dopa website:

Summary: House book for foreigners who stay temporarily and people who entered illegally. But i'm quite sure this applies only to stateless people and if we enter Thailand illegally we can not be in a yellow book ?

When I applied for shared custody of my child at Juvenile Court, the 5 judges asked me when they saw a copy of the yellow book. "Do you really stay illegal in Thailand?" I asked them to continue reading the text and then they laughed.

[Michael Hare]

10 hours ago, Hans Rayong said:

Ask some smart thai to translate the text on the back of the ID card. The text is "Province" is not "Amphur". There is the same text on ID cards, regardless of which country you are from, UK, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia or Sweden.

I read Thai. On the back of my ID card there is absolutely no mention of province. The only mention of province is on the front of the card in my address. My card was issued to me at the Ubon Ratchathani Amphur Office. That is where I submitted my documents, had my photograph taken against a white board showing my height. It was printed out in front of me. I saw it being done. I have never been to the Ubon Ratchathani Provincial Office for  anything.