CONFIRMED: Here is exactly what’s needed for retirement & marriage extensions (income method) from 2019

[DepDavid]

“ in the case of (6)”. Is mentioned a couple times.  What is it?

[ocddave]

5 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Please reread it it is there. And read police order 138/255 7 July 2014

You reading the same document above? Because the reason section isn't stating that, it only mentions the people eligible and the 1 yr extension. Then gives the documents required and the procedures, none of which includes the 400K/800K method. You're taking it as an amendment, and even then it reference 2.18 and 2.22, thus effectively replacing them under any normal way of handling this.

Edited January 7, 2019 by ocddave

[sometimewoodworker]

4 minutes ago, damascase said:

From the OP: 

‘The new requirements state that applicants must be able to show income transferred into a Thai bank account.’

This is misleading and not a requirement in the many cases where Embassies still issue the income declarations.

Read the translation, embassy letters are included.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, offset said:

 The other worry is that most people under 60 years old do not have a pension to show for the monthly income 

 

In this context, you can read their use of the term "pension" to mean any source of income you have available to transfer from outside Thailand into a Thai bank account. They're not going to be trying to investigate what kind of sources of income you're sending here.... They just want to see the money coming in from outside the country.

 

[sometimewoodworker]

3 minutes ago, ocddave said:

You reading the same document above? Because the reason section isn't stating that, it only mentions the people eligible and the 1 yr extension. Then gives the documents required and the procedures, none of which includes the 400K/800K method. You're taking it as an amendment, and even then it reference 2.18 and 2.22, thus effectively replacing them under any normal way of handling this.

Read the police order referenced 

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwNib_gx9zYEYkFjMUNHV1pXdWs/view

Edited January 7, 2019 by sometimewoodworker

[keemapoot]

Actually, this new regulation clarification is easier and more convenient for most people who don't live in Bangkok. For those, and even those in Bangkok, there is no longer the need to make the trek to the embassy, pay the money for the affidavit, it can all be done at your Thai bank.

[ocddave]

Just now, sometimewoodworker said:

Read the police order referenced 

A letter/memo of ambiguity, nice.

[Pattaya46]

4 minutes ago, DepDavid said:

“ in the case of (6)”. Is mentioned a couple times.  What is it?

Very old expats (before 1998)

See full Police Order

[sometimewoodworker]

Just now, keemapoot said:

Actually, this new regulation clarification is easier and more convenient for most people who don't live in Bangkok. For those, and even those in Bangkok, there is no longer the need to make the trek to the embassy, pay the money for the affidavit, it can all be done at your Thai bank.

It certainly looks like that but only if you make monthly transfers from outside thailand 

[Kerryd]

7 minutes ago, DepDavid said:

“ in the case of (6)”. Is mentioned a couple times.  What is it?

It is the 6th sub-para which "grandfathers" people who had Extensions prior to October 1998.

(6) An alien who entered the Kingdom before October 21, 1998 and has been consecutively permitted to stay in the Kingdom for retirement shall be subject to the following criteria:
(a) Must be 60 years of age or over and have an annual fixed income with funds maintained in a bank account for the past three months of no less than Baht 200,000 or have a monthly income of no less than Baht 20,000.
(b) If less than 60 years of age but not less than 55 years of age, must have an annual fixed income with funds maintained in a bank account for the past three months of no less than Baht 500,000 or have a monthly income of no less than Baht 50,000. 

Edited January 7, 2019 by Kerryd

[BertM]

Great... now we know the income method rules. Sleep well... ????

[Mango Bob]

Thank you ubonjoe it makes percent sense.  I understand it completely.

[ubonjoe]

Her are the 2 clauses of the police order that has not been changed.

[sqwakvfr]

The following is a hyphothetical scenario:  

 

In the not too distant future.

 

30 Days before Retirement Extension expires  A Visa Agent calls his/her client and asks “Do you want to do extension”?.  The Client replies “ I do not have the seasoned 800K Baht and I did not make the 12 International Wire Transfers”.

 

A) The Agent will reply “Sorry I can’t help you”

B) The Agent says “come to office and talk”

 

I believe their will be a way.  TIT

 

 

[DrJack54]

22 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

You do NOT have to show total monthly income from your rentals, shares or anything. All you need to show is 65k going into a Thai bank account from out of the country. Easy.

Not easy. I'm not going to sidetrack this thread, except to say I bing in aud cash in one or two hits every year. I'm aware of various ways to transfer money. The best is to bring in cash and exchange here. Only suited to those that have reason to visit home country.

[skatewash]

It would have been nice if the OP had come with a preamble stating the following:

1) If you use the seasoned lump sum of money (400,000/800,000) in a Thai bank to apply for your extension of stay, then nothing has changed.  You can do it as you have done it in the past.

 

2) If you are in possession of an embassy income letter, then nothing has changed (assuming you will use that letter to apply for your extension of stay within six months of the letter being issued).  You can apply for an extension of stay using the income method which requires an embassy income letter just as it has been done in the past.

3) If you wish to use the income method to get your extension of stay AND
you do not already have an embassy income letter or cannot get an embassy income letter, then there is a new way to apply for an extension of stay using transfers of money (40,000/65,000) from outside Thailand into a Thai bank on a monthly basis.  This will be of particular interest to citizens of the UK, USA, Australia, and Denmark, as those countries have decided to stop producing embassy income letters.  This will probably not be of interest to citizens of other countries who can still get an embassy income letter.
 

What follows applies to people in category 3, as people who are in category 1 or 2 are not affected...

the full text of the OP could have gone here.

It would have been really nice to handle it this way, instead of having the indefatigable Ubon Joe and others have to reiterate myriad times that it doesn't affect people who use the seasoned lump sum in the bank method or who have an embassy income letter.  Indeed it doesn't affect people who can continue to get embassy income letters (that is, everyone except for UK, US, Australian, and Danish citizens).  This would have avoided needless angst and worry.  Indeed, it's not too late to edit the OP along these lines and reduce the amount of drama.  Something to think about.

[smedly]

31 minutes ago, ocddave said:

Your opinions really don't matter, I want to see in writing that the 400K/800K is still supported. When they reference 2.18 and 2.22, they are basically saying this overwrites prior notices, so they should make sure to mention those in the same documents/procedures, and that they haven't changed.

go look up the unchanged Police order then and stop posting nonsense on this thread

[sometimewoodworker]

21 minutes ago, ocddave said:

Then the "reason" section in the table should state "Income method only".

Page 1 states it is an amendment to the police order.

 

You should read the police order with the amendment.

and the full text posted above including the table  

[fforest1]

13 minutes ago, keemapoot said:

Actually, this new regulation clarification is easier and more convenient for most people who don't live in Bangkok. For those, and even those in Bangkok, there is no longer the need to make the trek to the embassy, pay the money for the affidavit, it can all be done at your Thai bank.

Please inconvenience me...

[ocddave]

2 minutes ago, smedly said:

go look up the unchanged Police order then and stop posting nonsense on this thread

Better option is to ignore you going forward.....nice talking....bye.

[sometimewoodworker]

3 minutes ago, skatewash said:

It would have been nice if the OP had come with a preamble stating the following:

But I think that he assumed more than a child's ability of reading and comprehension and that people would actually read the translation before jumping to unfounded assumptions.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

OK...so now in this ThaiVisa translation version....

 

The marriage extension/spouse part still refers to an AVERAGE monthly income of at least 40,000 baht throughout the year.

 

But the retirement extension section doesn't use the term average, and only says "income not less than 65,000 baht monthly."

 

It seems a bit odd to have that divergence for no apparent reason between the two sections, if the EN translation is in fact accurate on that detailed point.

 

But both specifically refer to the required foreign transfers to the Thai bank account having to be MONTHLY...

Edited January 7, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[wgdanson]

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Not easy. I'm not going to sidetrack this thread, except to say I bing in aud cash in one or two hits every year. I'm aware of various ways to transfer money. The best is to bring in cash and exchange here. Only suited to those that have reason to visit home country.

So you must get your extension by having 800 in the bank, yeh?

[Dah fahrang]

23 minutes ago, DepDavid said:

“ in the case of (6)”. Is mentioned a couple times.  What is it?

I think it is this.

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_22

 

(6) An alien who entered the Kingdom before October 21, 1998 and has been consecutively
permitted to stay in the Kingdom for retirement shall be subject to the following criteria:

(a) Must be 60 years of age or over and have an annual fixed income with funds maintained in
a bank account for the past three months of no less than Baht 200,000 or have a monthly income of
no less than Baht 20,000.

(b) If less than 60 years of age but not less than 55 years of age, must have an annual fixed
income with funds maintained in a bank account for the past three months of no less than Baht
500,000 or have a monthly income of no less than Baht 50,000.

[wgdanson]

Would it now be a good idea to delete Jonathan Fairfield's post yesterday, with 969 replies/posts to keep the site flowing smoothly.

[from the home of CC]

25 minutes ago, damascase said:

From the OP: 

‘The new requirements state that applicants must be able to show income transferred into a Thai bank account.’

This is misleading and not a requirement in the many cases where Embassies still issue the income declarations.

so, in fact, TI are accepting letters from the other Embassies? Is that a true statement?

[BigCChiangMai]

Anybody got a link to the Thai version on the requirements ?  Can´t imagine trying to explain this to my bank this week SIGH!

[Pattaya46]

3 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

so, in fact, TI are accepting letters from the other Embassies? Is that a true statement?

Yes of course. TI never said they would refuse Embassy Letters. This mess just because a few Embassies apparently overreacted and stopped to provide them. Business as usual for all others. 

 

Edited January 7, 2019 by Pattaya46

[roobaa01]

9 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Page 1 states it is an amendment to the police order.

 

You should read the police order with the amendment.

and the full text posted above including the table  

thereto it does not state "superseding" other method etc.. in the police order.

 

wbr

roobaa01

[damascase]

24 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Read the translation, embassy letters are included.

I know they are included and that is why the quoted text is incorrect/misleading......