12 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Not necessarily staying in.  Without No-Deal then the options will inevitably be No-Brexit or May's deal.  Then it is whether the Brexiteers can bring themselves to vote to stay in rather than May's deal, albeit if that means leaving in name only.  It is estimated (I know, more guess work) that if there was a second vote then 80% of the new voters (those who were too young to vote before) would vote to remain. Therefore the odds would be stacked heavily on a remain vote. Given that I wonder how many people would just refuse to vote at all.

Well then the Remain vote will be a landslide I have often mused that Thai anti-junta parties should refuse to take part in the forthcoming election and let Prayuth have a landslide without any democratic credentials.

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Has there been some kind of poll in the USA to find out what they all think or have you just heard Trump mentioning it and you find that to be conclusive ?

  Is Trump the ONLY American that wants the UK to leave the E.U and does every other American want the UK to stay ?

I haven't yet heard an intelligent American say it's a good thing the UK leaves the EU.

On TV we have both Jingthing and Samui Bodoh suggesting we are shooting ourselves in our foot. At work both American colleagues think we are insane to leave a trading bloc on our doorstep.

it made me think, which prominent American, apart from Donald, who is only prominent by his insanity, supports our departure?

1 minute ago, bannork said:

I haven't yet heard an intelligent American say it's a good thing the UK leaves the EU.

On TV we have both Jingthing and Samui Bodoh suggesting we are shooting ourselves in our foot. At work both American colleagues think we are insane to leave a trading bloc on our doorstep.

it made me think, which prominent American, apart from Donald, who is only prominent by his insanity, supports our departure?

Well, yeah , thats five people , that is quite conclusive .

That is 80 % of Americans disagree with Brexit , whilst 20 % agree , based  on your small poll....................of five people

8 minutes ago, bannork said:

it made me think, which prominent American, apart from Donald, who is only prominent by his insanity, supports our departure?

About a year ago, The Donald publicly announced to May that if she went for a soft Brexit rather than a hard Brexit, he would give her a right royal reaming.

 

Trump hates and fears the EU, it's all part of his plan to divide and conquer, if we did have a hard Brexit, his plan is to stuff us with the shittiest trade deals ever. He's no friend of Britain.

 

Another very good reason to remain.

 

 

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Well, yeah , thats five people , that is quite conclusive .

That is 80 % of Americans disagree with Brexit , whilst 20 % agree , based  on your small poll....................of five people

I'm not conducting a poll, I'm just asking, can you tell me of any Americans of intellectual stature who support Brexit?

19 minutes ago, bannork said:

I'm not conducting a poll, I'm just asking, can you tell me of any Americans of intellectual stature who support Brexit?

Well maybe I can have a go here.  I travel in the USA a lot and have business associates in New York, New England, Texas and California.  Being involved in business dealings with Europe and the UK they all think we are nut's to want to leave such an important trading block as the EU.  Then again they all think that Trump is a complete moron so they may be biased.

Facebook have taken down Tommy Robinson's account. Good.

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

Not necessarily staying in.  Without No-Deal then the options will inevitably be No-Brexit or May's deal.  Then it is whether the Brexiteers can bring themselves to vote to stay in rather than May's deal, albeit if that means leaving in name only.  It is estimated (I know, more guess work) that if there was a second vote then 80% of the new voters (those who were too young to vote before) would vote to remain. Therefore the odds would be stacked heavily on a remain vote. Given that I wonder how many people would just refuse to vote at all.

Well, that's clear then!????

10 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Facebook have taken down Tommy Robinson's account. Good.

He can concentrate more on chinning the wife bow

2 hours ago, Spidey said:

UKIP 1.8% 2017 election.

 

Can't wait!

UKIP, Nigel's Party, Tommy's party, any number of right wing 'populist' parties coming soon.  It'll be fab when they start taking seats off the current status quo. 

17 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Facebook have taken down Tommy Robinson's account. Good.

Don't think he'll miss your visits. Were you FB besties?

Let them keep voting until they choose the right way, as dictated.

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

UKIP, Nigel's Party, Tommy's party, any number of right wing 'populist' parties coming soon.  It'll be fab when they start taking seats off the current status quo. 

UKIP is Tommy Islam's party. Only right wing, racist, extremists will vote for them, and there's a lot less of them than you imagine. Nigel hasn't got a party. No other parties in the wings. Who would you vote for?

I think most Americans that know about it agree with this analysis - - irrational self harm.

 

We wish you well and don't wish to watch you make stupid own goal mistakes.

 

I can't locate a poll.

 

Quote

 

Trump is terrible, but the sabotage of Brexit will outlast him

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-terrible-but-the-sabotage-of-brexit-will-outlast-him/2019/02/18/51ef7fb0-3082-11e9-8ad3-9a5b113ecd3c_story.html?utm_term=.fbbbe95ed8a7

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

UKIP is Tommy Islam's party. Only right wing, racist, extremists will vote for them, and there's a lot less of them than you imagine. Nigel hasn't got a party. No other parties in the wings. Who would you vote for?

I'd vote for any and all of them. And there's a lot more of them than you imagine - so what's the number?

Jezzer has just put another nail in the LAB coffin. Now promoting another referendum, that's a few more million of his traditional party support who voted Leave and will never vote LAB again. Straight into the lap of a party that has the working class at heart.
 

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Read this to see how democratically it all turned out:

 

https://www.thelocal.fr/20160628/brexit-rethink-a-look-at-frances-2005-eu-referendum

Pretty democratic it seems. Did you actually read the article?

5 hours ago, vogie said:

Seriously questions that needn't be asked, needn't be answered.

It was a serious question, but I get it;  people lacking arguments prefer to do a runner when someone asks. 

5 hours ago, sanemax said:

Although democracy isnt , keep asking people the same question, untill they give you the answer that you want to hear 

“you”? Who’s that? 

Anglo American "humour" break --

 

3 hours ago, mommysboy said:

For me, it began to shape up as a no deal exit, or cancellation of Brexit some time ago.  A Final Say seems appropriate imo, because nobody thought for one moment we would be left with two meagre exit strategies.  Importantly, the campaign was won with the pie in the sky promise of a free trade deal that has not materialised.

 

If Leavers win again, and that could well happen, then at least one argument is over.

Unfortunately before the UK can legally trade on its own, WTO or country to country, the UK has to leave the EU. Until we reach that point of having left the EU we are bound by the EU rules to allow the EU negotiating team to do it for us and to get the approval of all 28 or 27 countries.

 

This is one reason why the EU/Canada deal took 10 years.

 

When there are only 2 countries talking about a trade deal it is so much easier.

 

Having said that there is the possibility that negotiations have been going on but the full deal will be on hold until the UK leaves the EU.

3 hours ago, Spidey said:

wrong post. Sorry

 

37 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I think most Americans that know about it agree with this analysis - - irrational self harm.

 

We wish you well and don't wish to watch you make stupid own goal mistakes.

The American lads I was sharing a drink with earlier this evening would agree with you:

'This Brexit, what the f###?'

Their words, not mine...

3 hours ago, Spidey said:

UKIP 1.8% 2017 election.

 

Can't wait!

I can.

 

UKIP in 2016 is a completely different party nowadays.

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

About a year ago, The Donald publicly announced to May that if she went for a soft Brexit rather than a hard Brexit, he would give her a right royal reaming.

 

Trump hates and fears the EU, it's all part of his plan to divide and conquer, if we did have a hard Brexit, his plan is to stuff us with the shittiest trade deals ever. He's no friend of Britain.

 

Another very good reason to remain.

 

 

But we DON'T have to sign up for it.

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

Well maybe I can have a go here.  I travel in the USA a lot and have business associates in New York, New England, Texas and California.  Being involved in business dealings with Europe and the UK they all think we are nut's to want to leave such an important trading block as the EU.  Then again they all think that Trump is a complete moron so they may be biased.

UK leaving EU will weaken EU, both re trading and as a political block.

 

I think many Americans would be comfortable with a weaker EU.

 

50 minutes ago, Spidey said:

UKIP is Tommy Islam's party. Only right wing, racist, extremists will vote for them, and there's a lot less of them than you imagine. Nigel hasn't got a party. No other parties in the wings. Who would you vote for?

The Brexit party.

 

https://www.theweek.co.uk/99650/can-the-brexit-party-succeed

 

I signed up 2 weeks ago.

45 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I'd vote for any and all of them. And there's a lot more of them than you imagine - so what's the number?

Jezzer has just put another nail in the LAB coffin. Now promoting another referendum, that's a few more million of his traditional party support who voted Leave and will never vote LAB again. Straight into the lap of a party that has the working class at heart.
 

There are a lot more than you imagine, that is true, a bit like the amount of rats in London.  They are there all right having their secret meetings and hiding their identities.  

8 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

UK leaving EU will weaken EU, both re trading and as a political block.

 

I think many Americans would be comfortable with a weaker EU.

 

I am sure many would if they were in competition with them.  The people I know trade with them so they may take a different view.  They are certainly very supportive of the UK.

19 minutes ago, billd766 said:

UKIP in 2016 is a completely different party nowadays.

More full-tilt nutter now.

25 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

There are a lot more than you imagine, that is true, a bit like the amount of rats in London.  They are there all right having their secret meetings and hiding their identities.  

I used glue traps.

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Pretty democratic it seems. Did you actually read the article?

Of course. Especially this bit:

 

By this point, president elections were on the way in France and presidential candidate Nicolas Sarkozy pledged a re-negotiation without a referendum. He became president in 2007.

 

In the following months, the EU member states repackaged the constitution into what became the Treaty of Lisbon in 2009, a document which, while not a constitution, was considered more or less the same as the one which the French had fairly resoundingly rejected.

 

Sarkozy presented the treaty to the French parliament and it was adopted.

 

Many French voters, especially on the left, believed their wishes that they had clearly presented in 2005 had been ignored.