2 hours ago, Elad said:

 

solved! ????

Your decisions in this life will effect where you spend Eternity.  Once you take your last breath you will be standing before Jesus Christ.  It will be better for you if He is your Lord and Savior and not your judge.  He created you and He loves you more than you will ever know.
 

The truth is when you leave this planet it's Heaven or Hell and you not wanting to believe that does not change that truth.  The real bummer is that hell is default, and once you take your last breath it's a done deal.

45 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

Your decisions in this life will effect where you spend Eternity.  Once you take your last breath you will be standing before Jesus Christ.  It will be better for you if He is your Lord and Savior and not your judge.  He created you and He loves you more than you will ever know.
 

The truth is when you leave this planet it's Heaven or Hell and you not wanting to believe that does not change that truth.  The real bummer is that hell is default, and once you take your last breath it's a done deal.

The real bummer is that you truly buy into this superstitious load of <deleted>. Time to wake up, take control and smell the BS! 

 

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On 8/30/2019 at 11:07 PM, sirineou said:

God is something, or some say  is everything ,and as you said something cannot come from nothing

So stop deflecting, apply your own standards to  Yahweh, and tells as uneducated, irrational, slobs where he came from. 

 

 

Yahweh ...he? He? Debate ...end off.

12 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

Your decisions in this life will effect where you spend Eternity.  Once you take your last breath you will be standing before Jesus Christ.  It will be better for you if He is your Lord and Savior and not your judge.  He created you and He loves you more than you will ever know.
 

The truth is when you leave this planet it's Heaven or Hell and you not wanting to believe that does not change that truth.  The real bummer is that hell is default, and once you take your last breath it's a done deal.

Standing? On what? A cloud? I died in a car accident as an amputee..Can I sit in a wheel chair?  Hell is default you say. No! Heaven is default because we are "made in gods image' and "Christ died for our sins' so none of us ever will go to hell. Otherwise the god jesus project is a lamentable failure.

On 8/31/2019 at 12:26 PM, Sunmaster said:

Regardless is you share CMNR's beliefs  or not (I don't), it's not cool ganging up on him. You should be able to easily discredit his arguments with rational arguments, but instead you resort to an ad hominem attack. 
Very poor form that is

 

Nobody is ganging up on the zealot. We critics dont know each other, have never met, are not part of  group or gang. But these religious nutters are mind rapists. Rational people, who have come to their conclusions independently are defending themselves and their kids from dark ages medieval superstitions. It does not mean we are not spiritual or religious but the literalist book believers have a mental disorder. To believe in God is one thing. To quote a bonkers book to justify your irrational beliefs is patronising, insulting, simplistic and such people must be treated accordingly.  Mad as newts in a barrel...Oh and usually very dark, sinister sinners covering up their horrid vices if Catholics, peedos, if American evangelicals...on massive salaries from extreme right wing nutters. If they want to demonstrate their sanctity and belief go and work with poor people of Klong Toey not preach on this forum.

On ‎8‎/‎31‎/‎2019 at 10:07 AM, sirineou said:

God is something, or some say  is everything ,and as you said something cannot come from nothing

So stop deflecting, apply your own standards to  Yahweh, and tells as uneducated, irrational, slobs where he came from. 

 

 

If we knew that we'd be "god".

On ‎9‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 10:35 AM, sunnyboy2018 said:

Nobody is ganging up on the zealot. We critics dont know each other, have never met, are not part of  group or gang. But these religious nutters are mind rapists. Rational people, who have come to their conclusions independently are defending themselves and their kids from dark ages medieval superstitions. It does not mean we are not spiritual or religious but the literalist book believers have a mental disorder. To believe in God is one thing. To quote a bonkers book to justify your irrational beliefs is patronising, insulting, simplistic and such people must be treated accordingly.  Mad as newts in a barrel...Oh and usually very dark, sinister sinners covering up their horrid vices if Catholics, peedos, if American evangelicals...on massive salaries from extreme right wing nutters. If they want to demonstrate their sanctity and belief go and work with poor people of Klong Toey not preach on this forum.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

On ‎8‎/‎31‎/‎2019 at 11:10 PM, xylophone said:

When very young, children believed in things like the tooth fairy, Father Christmas, bogeymen, and so on until they developed their own minds and thinking powers and reasoned that such things were just pure nonsense.

and then they believed in such nonsense as young Thai women in "love" with old farang men that just happened to have loads of readies to trade for a bit of nookie. People don't change, they just trade one belief in for another. "Romantic love" is the greatest fraud ever perpetuated on humans since our ancestors crawled out of the slime.

Compared to romantic love, believing in an unseen creator is probably beneficial, as it gives hope to the hopeless, succor to the needy, healing to the broken hearted. 

On ‎8‎/‎31‎/‎2019 at 11:10 PM, xylophone said:

 

 

 

It would help if the person that wrote the bit about penguins actually knew what he was talking about, as they obviously didn't know <deleted>.

Penguins only breed in the Antarctic in the summer, the rest of the time they live in the sea north of the Antarctic sea ice. So if they wanted to go on the Ark they would have swum there.

Had they taken the time to look it up on google they'd have found that out- idiots.

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If we knew that we'd be "god".

Originally the assertion concerning the creation of the universe was made that something doesn't come from nothing hence there had to be a creator. to which I replied,  if something could not come from nothing and the creator is something, (the creator is either something or nothing ) then where did the creator come from?   

Obviously we don't know the answer to either question , but those of as who rely on reason , through science and investigation, incrementally come closer to the answer , and  though we my never come to know, the trip is more important than the destination.

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Had they taken the time to look it up on google they'd have found that out- idiots.

 

True enough and you say/accept that something is true unless shown to be untrue. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Originally the assertion concerning the creation of the universe was made that something doesn't come from nothing hence there had to be a creator. to which I replied,  if something could not come from nothing and the creator is something, (the creator is either something or nothing ) then where did the creator come from?   

Obviously we don't know the answer to either question , but those of as who rely on reason , through science and investigation, incrementally come closer to the answer , and  though we my never come to know, the trip is more important than the destination.

 

 

 

I think I understand what you are saying, but IMO humans can NEVER understand "God", any more than pond scum can understand humans. Any being that can create life the universe and everything from stars to microbes and everything in between is so far advanced from us that it's impossible for our brains to comprehend.

Where many humans go wrong is in thinking we know anything when it comes to "God". We know nothing, nor will we before the human race dies off. In the context of the universe and eternity, we are no more than dust. We have existed for a celestial second, and our time is almost over. Perhaps the next dominant life form will be as advanced from us as we are from dinosaurs, and perhaps the life form after that, or the one after that one will begin to comprehend the reality of "God". We, IMO, never will. We can't even stop killing ourselves off, so how could we ever understand the glory of life the universe and everything? If we understood "God", we'd be more "godlike", and behave better. Not destroying our environment by polluting the air and oceans and cutting down all the rainforest would be a start.

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO humans can NEVER understand "God", any more than pond scum can understand humans.

yet not only do they understand "god" they are willing to torture or kill those whose understanding is different.

 

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I think I understand what you are saying, but IMO humans can NEVER understand "God", any more than pond scum can understand humans. Any being that can create life the universe and everything from stars to microbes and everything in between is so far advanced from us that it's impossible for our brains to comprehend.

Where many humans go wrong is in thinking we know anything when it comes to "God". We know nothing, nor will we before the human race dies off. In the context of the universe and eternity, we are no more than dust. We have existed for a celestial second, and our time is almost over. Perhaps the next dominant life form will be as advanced from us as we are from dinosaurs, and perhaps the life form after that, or the one after that one will begin to comprehend the reality of "God". We, IMO, never will. We can't even stop killing ourselves off, so how could we ever understand the glory of life the universe and everything? If we understood "God", we'd be more "godlike", and behave better. Not destroying our environment by polluting the air and oceans and cutting down all the rainforest would be a start.

I think a few very special men came close to knowing God. I don't know how far they came, but it's definitely a lot further than we all can aspire to go in this lifetime.
Like Sirineau said: it's the trip, not the destination....and the first steps are always the hardest.

Like going to a train station and asking for a single ticket to jeopardy thinking that it references a place.

6 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

I think a few very special men came close to knowing God. I don't know how far they came, but it's definitely a lot further than we all can aspire to go in this lifetime.
Like Sirineau said: it's the trip, not the destination....and the first steps are always the hardest.

While I don't think any human will ever understand "God", that's not because it's impossible. If we all come from "God" we must be able to understand "God". It's just that the dedication to achieve that understanding is so demanding that no human can achieve it, IMO. The Buddha was on the path, but how many of us would be able to follow him? He had the right idea with achieving nirvana, but who has the strength to do so?

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It would help if the person that wrote the bit about penguins actually knew what he was talking about, as they obviously didn't know <deleted>.

Penguins only breed in the Antarctic in the summer, the rest of the time they live in the sea north of the Antarctic sea ice. So if they wanted to go on the Ark they would have swum there.

Had they taken the time to look it up on google they'd have found that out- idiots.

Almost as stupid in believing that an all seeing, all knowing super "thingy" created everything and oversees all we do, and of course believing a book(s) written about "him" by humans who had no idea about "him" other than to foster their own beliefs.

 

One can believe what one wants, but don't be surprised if others think it is a load of unproven hogwash (a la Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins).

 

As for the penguins..........they would still have had to walk/waddle hundreds/thousands of kilometers to get to the ark, had the absurdity of it been understood!!!!!

 

I see no point in discussing fairy tales here so am taking my leave of this thread. Good day to all.

1 minute ago, xylophone said:

Almost as stupid in believing that an all seeing, all knowing super "thingy" created everything and oversees all we do, and of course believing a book(s) written about "him" by humans who had no idea about "him" other than to foster their own beliefs.

 

One can believe what one wants, but don't be surprised if others think it is a load of unproven hogwash (a la Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins).

 

As for the penguins..........they would still have had to walk/waddle hundreds/thousands of kilometers to get to the ark, had the absurdity of it been understood!!!!!

 

I see no point in discussing fairy tales here so am taking my leave of this thread. Good day to all.

Bye bye.

Certainly seems to have become the preserve of those that just want to crow about how much they disbelieve.

The thread is for those that believe, and why, not a licence to attack those that one disagrees with and be unpleasant.

The Bible is God’s inspired Book, which provides for all our spiritual needs: seeing that his divine power hath granted unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that called us by his own glory and virtue (2 Peter 1:3).

 

The Bible is also the Book by which we will be judged at the Last Day. Jesus said: He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my sayings, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day (John 12:48).

I'm not sure about the biblical god, but the "settings" of the universe being just-so in order that atoms could form and thus we could arise is too coincidental for me to believe that this life-conducive universe came into existence by chance. See Fine-tuned Universe

Just now, ThaiRebound said:

I'm not sure about the biblical god, but the "settings" of the universe being just-so in order that atoms could form and thus we could arise is too coincidental for me to believe that it all happened by chance. See Fine-tuned Universe

So you don't accept the multiple universes theory where we just happen to inhabit the one most likely to support life? https://www.space.com/18811-multiple-universes-5-theories.html

Nah, it's too coincidental, again. It makes for great scifi, though. I'm not suggesting we are here for any reason. We might be a side-effect. But the universe itself seems purposed for something.

14 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

So you don't accept the multiple universes theory where we just happen to inhabit the one most likely to support life? https://www.space.com/18811-multiple-universes-5-theories.html

One would have to be a very low functioning adult to believe an orderly universe, along with humans, animals, sea life, and plant life with complex DNA, just happened to develop from some sort of single cell organism, living in an obscure mud puddle several millions of years ago.    

1 hour ago, ThaiRebound said:

I'm not sure about the biblical god, but the "settings" of the universe being just-so in order that atoms could form and thus we could arise is too coincidental for me to believe that this life-conducive universe came into existence by chance. See Fine-tuned Universe

 

Where are you getting your data from? I only know of one universe but you would have to know of more in order to make such a claim. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, CMNightRider said:

One would have to be a very low functioning adult to believe an orderly universe, along with humans, animals, sea life, and plant life with complex DNA, just happened to develop from some sort of single cell organism, living in an obscure mud puddle several millions of years ago.    

What does the bible say about the universe? Life must have come from other life in the universe, right? Life travel trough space, and fertilize the earth, and finely life come along. But if that is god alone, or lifeform spread trough the whole universe, we just do not know yet, except, it is plausable it in fact come from other planets, and life travel space. 

Just now, Tagged said:

What does the bible say about the universe? Life must have come from other life in the universe, right? Life travel trough space, and fertilize the earth, and finely life come along. But if that is god alone, or lifeform spread trough the whole universe, we just do not know yet, except, it is plausable it in fact come from other planets, and life travel space. 

But where did God come from?

2 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

But where did God come from?

Well, thats what nobody knows, except those who have read and understood the bible, and believe that is correct science. 

3 hours ago, ThaiRebound said:

I'm not sure about the biblical god, but the "settings" of the universe being just-so in order that atoms could form and thus we could arise is too coincidental for me to believe that this life-conducive universe came into existence by chance. See Fine-tuned Universe

Why do you find that too coincidental to believe? 

 

There are between 100 and 200 billions stars or suns in the Milky Way galaxy, and perhaps as many as 400 billion. According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe, and possibly as many as 1,000 billion. Our galaxy, the Milky Way, is considered to be an average size galaxy.

 

We have no idea how many planets exist in the entire universe, but it seems reasonable to guess that there would be trillions of trillions.

 

Of those trillions of trillions, most would likely have no conditions suitable for life. However, if just a very tiny fraction of those trillions of trillions of planets were similar to the Earth, that could still amount to one trillion planets with the elements and conditions for life to evolve, as it has on our planet.

 

Some people, even some scientists, think it's too improbable for the first reproducing types of micro-organisms to form in a soupy sea of chemicals by chance, because no scientist has been able to create a new form of life in a laboratory, so far. The explanation of an 'Intelligent Designer' might seem more probable.

 

However, such reasoning would only apply if one ignores the fact that there are probably a trillion planets in the universe, similar to ours.

 

Imagine a bet using a huge roulette table with a thousand different balls.  The chances that all the thousand balls would fall into the  predicted, betted numbers would be very slim. A person could bet everyday for his whole life without winning once.

 

But supposing every bet with a thousand different numbers was applied simultaneously to a trillion roulette tables in different locations. The chances of a win in at least one of the roulette tables would be very high, if not certain. Okay? ????