British Labour leader Corbyn set to back second Brexit referendum - report

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British Labour leader Corbyn set to back second Brexit referendum - report

 

FILE PHOTO: Britain's opposition Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn leaves his home, following the results of the European Parliament elections, in London, Britain May 27, 2019. REUTERS/Henry Nicholls

 

(Reuters) - Britain's Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn is set to back a second referendum on Brexit and it could be within days, the Mirror newspaper reported late on Tuesday, citing senior figures of the party.

 

Corbyn, who has so far said the option of a second referendum should be kept on the table, is under pressure to endorse one without qualification. The prospect poses a dilemma as many of the party's supporters backed Brexit.

 

After being punished by voters in the European elections, which saw both pro-Brexitand pro-European Union parties surge at the expense of Labour and the governing Conservatives, Labour said a public vote was the way to reunite the country, but added this could also be a national election.

 

Corbyn himself on Monday had said that the British public should be asked again to give its verdict on Brexit, either through a general election or a second referendum.

 

"With the Conservatives disintegrating and unable to govern, and parliament deadlocked, this issue will have to go back to the people, whether through a general election or a public vote," Corbyn had said, adding the party would have discussions on the way forward.

 

(Reporting by Bhargav Acharya in Bengaluru; Editing by Tom Brown and Sandra Maler)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-05-29

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[Laughing Gravy]

So he will ignore over 60% of the Labour voters who voted for brexit. He has changed his mind so much nobody believes him anymore. He has forgotten and betrayed the heartland of Labour voters and gone for the champagne Labourites of London and other luvvy lands.

 

The nearest he will get to number 10 is when he gets kicked out of the Labour party and has to walk past it. The sooner the better for me.

[Thailand]

Sadly today it's a vote winner and with the current turmoil in British politics a general election is a great possibility later this year and this turd could be in number 10.

[TopDeadSenter]

I have no problem with the Marxist Corbyn demanding a second referendum. So long as should his band of misfits and morons ever win an election that he will call for a "people's referendum" or "confirmatory vote" to make sure the electorate really understood what they were voting for. Fair's fair.

[welovesundaysatspace]

Good news. This will make Brexiteers go nuts again. I can already hear them

moan “betrayal” and post a collage of Internet memes. 

[geoffbezoz]

30 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Sadly today it's a vote winner and with the current turmoil in British politics a general election is a great possibility later this year and this turd could be in number 10.

Yes politics and consequently Downing Street are much like the tide in the Thames, on the ebb the rotten smelly rubbish is flushed out  only for the incoming tide to bring in new piles of rubbish , only for it to rot and stink soon after.

[pegman]

Finally some sanity. Now get on with it. The London based financial services industry is the goose that produces the golden eggs. J.C. is the onLy one who could be its saviour. No you leave nitwits the EU will not leave it where it is out of their good graces. The second the UK is out so is that lifeblood of the nation. 

[DoctorG]

Corbyn: The leader nobody really wants or needs. Potentially worse than May, which is really saying something.

[vogie]

Len McClusky is not going to like JC going over his head.

[MJKT2014]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So he will ignore over 60% of the Labour voters who voted for brexit.

He's just giving them chance to vote. You wouldn't want to take that away from people would you? What have you got to loose?

[jesimps]

They haven't delivered on the result of the first one yet, why have another? For democracy to work, you have to abide by the wishes of the people, once you ignore the people's vote, then democracy breaks down. Win or lose, in a democracy, you have to accept the vote. Aren't us British supposed to be good losers? As far as remainers are concerned, that's gone out of the window. If Corbyn's Labour get there way and there's a second referendum, then a precedent will have been set and the next thing you know people will be demanding reruns of general elections for no other reason than their side having lost.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1. It is highly unlikely that any future PM, even the hardest Brexiteer ultra, would put his name under the no-deal suicide mission. Too much to lose for a PM; he would always seek the buy-in from a majority first. 

 

2. Such majority does not exist. 

 

3. That means we are back where we are. That impasse cannot be overcome in parliament. There is no majority for any of the options on the table. 

 

4. A GE would be political suicide for the Tories. They know that. 

 

5. So it has to be a referendum. It’ll break the impasse, close Brexit, and let everyone move on. A Tory PM can claim he has solved Brexit, and can always refer to the people having decided it. They can save their party by focusing on actual issues. 

 

6. Pat and his friends from the Internet-meme factory will keep posting their gifs and YouTube videos until they’ve died the Tommy Robinson death and the country is free again. 

 

Sounds like the most realistic outcome. And a way for a Tory turnaround. 

 

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And then there’s always The Speaker: The Speaker of the House of Commons sensationally dismissed top contender for Mrs May’s coveted role Boris Johnson, who said the UK will leave on 31 October “deal or no deal”. Mr Bercow, an avid Remainer, said: “The idea the House won't have its say is for the birds.” He added during a speech in the US: “The idea that parliament is going to be evacuated from the centre stage of debate on Brexit is unimaginable.” https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1132839/brexit-latest-news-nigel-farage-brexit-party-european-elections-tories-labour

Edited May 29, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[darksidedog]

The whole thing has just been a debacle from the word go. IF, there is to be a second referendum, I believe that it should only be offered, WHEN the precise terms of how we will leave is in place. Three years ago what people were told would be the case, and what turned out to be reality were two very different things.

Given the total disunity in Labour and Conservatives ranks, and with no plan seemingly agreeable to any of them, telling the British people precisely what they will get if they confirm to leave is a prerequisite.

It would certainly stop the current bickering between all sides on what the last vote really meant.

[cleopatra2]

16 minutes ago, jesimps said:

They haven't delivered on the result of the first one yet, why have another? For democracy to work, you have to abide by the wishes of the people, once you ignore the people's vote, then democracy breaks down. Win or lose, in a democracy, you have to accept the vote. Aren't us British supposed to be good losers? As far as remainers are concerned, that's gone out of the window. If Corbyn's Labour get there way and there's a second referendum, then a precedent will have been set and the next thing you know people will be demanding reruns of general elections for no other reason than their side having lost.

The problem is the people gave the T.May government the mandate to negotiate a WA on their behalf through the general election.

The government duly came back with the deal. 

The deal is rejected by parliament and the people ?

It is time to ask the people what type of brexit they want.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 minute ago, cleopatra2 said:

 

It is time to ask the people what type of brexit they want.

...and if they still want it at all, as the leave campaign’s house of cards has collapsed. 

[robcar]

There has already been a vote. The UK voted to leave. End of. You shouldn't be able to change the result just because you didn't like the outcome that the country voted for. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

9 minutes ago, robcar said:

There has already been a vote. The UK voted to leave. End of. You shouldn't be able to change the result just because you didn't like the outcome that the country voted for. 

Are you sure? ???? 

[Scott]

Inflammatory post reported and removed.  

 

[ThreeEyedRaven]

12 minutes ago, robcar said:

There has already been a vote. The UK voted to leave. End of. You shouldn't be able to change the result just because you didn't like the outcome that the country voted for. 

I voted to leave, so am not whining about the result. I have though, not seen what I was told I was voting for materialise, and it seems if we do go, it may well be in a way that is detrimental to the country. I would definitely like the opportunity to see the issue voted on again, this time though with a precise picture of how we are leaving, its benefits and consequences, rather than the pile of lies from the last vote. And I think it is this last part, about people having been misled, which makes many want to see it done again, but properly and honestly this time.

Edited May 29, 2019 by ThreeEyedRaven

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, MJKT2014 said:

He's just giving them chance to vote. You wouldn't want to take that away from people would you? What have you got to loose?

Not at all. Lets have thew best of 5. What will happen when leave win again. Will we have a 2nd ref for Scotland every few years as its once in a lifetime generation. Lets have one for the North and south. Yes I am being facetious but so are you with your suggestion.

Can't you see by not implementing the first referendum is going against democracy but from your post, it seems you just want another shot at winning.

 

What it will do is fragment the country even more, elections/referendums and MP"s will never be trusted again and they will have justification.

 

You want back in the EU why not give it 20 years that's less than half the time the UK people were conned into the EEC and got a referendum. What have you got to lose?

Edited May 29, 2019 by Laughing Gravy

[Basil B]

53 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The problem is the people gave the T.May government the mandate to negotiate a WA on their behalf through the general election.

The government duly came back with the deal. 

The deal is rejected by parliament and the people ?

It is time to ask the people what type of brexit they want.

And whether they still want to leave?

[evadgib]

The report only says he might and was widely rhubarbed during Sky's press review. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Good news. This will make Brexiteers go nuts again. I can already hear them

moan “betrayal” and post a collage of Internet memes. 

Or maybe it's just the wind in the trees, especially when the moon is full.

[Basil B]

I think it no accident that Alastair Campbell came out with the I voted Lib/Dem statement, the "blairites"  of the party are looking to take control of the party again.

[JonnyF]

This would mean abandoning his principles, democracy and the Labour base. His political career would be finished.

 

Let's hope he does it ????.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So he will ignore over 60% of the Labour voters who voted for brexit. He has changed his mind so much nobody believes him anymore. He has forgotten and betrayed the heartland of Labour voters and gone for the champagne Labourites of London and other luvvy lands.

 

The nearest he will get to number 10 is when he gets kicked out of the Labour party and has to walk past it. The sooner the better for me.

Utter hogwash.

 

Your making stuff up, ‘over 60% of the Labour voters who voted for Brexit’

 

Provide a reliable link to back up that claim or admit you are telling porkies.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, jesimps said:

They haven't delivered on the result of the first one yet, why have another? For democracy to work, you have to abide by the wishes of the people, once you ignore the people's vote, then democracy breaks down. Win or lose, in a democracy, you have to accept the vote. Aren't us British supposed to be good losers? As far as remainers are concerned, that's gone out of the window. If Corbyn's Labour get there way and there's a second referendum, then a precedent will have been set and the next thing you know people will be demanding reruns of general elections for no other reason than their side having lost.

Three years and the party that gave you the Brexit referendum has failed to deliver Brexit.

 

At last the opposition offers opposition.

[Chomper Higgot]

Game on!

[nauseus]

40 minutes ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

I voted to leave, so am not whining about the result. I have though, not seen what I was told I was voting for materialise, and it seems if we do go, it may well be in a way that is detrimental to the country. I would definitely like the opportunity to see the issue voted on again, this time though with a precise picture of how we are leaving, its benefits and consequences, rather than the pile of lies from the last vote. And I think it is this last part, about people having been misled, which makes many want to see it done again, but properly and honestly this time.

You sound like any misleading was one-sided. I saw lies from both sides, so I just cancelled all that out. It was pretty much 50/50.

 

If there were to be another referendum with the same result, just like the first time, there can be no precise picture of how we would leave. There are always going to be too many variables, including and especially which individuals are in office on both sides. Article 50 is fairly straightforward but dealing with some elements of the EU has not been so, as we have already seen. The UK has allowed the EU to control the sequencing, format and content of these so-called "negotiations" and that is partly why May's "deal" is so bad. This one-sided control is not specified within Article 50 but the EU has bullied the UK - typical of the EU and embarrassing for the UK - so don't change your mind.

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Three years and the party that gave you the Brexit referendum has failed to deliver Brexit.

 

At last the opposition offers opposition.

On a sliding scale.