Click 150i = Pros / Cons ?

[eisfeld]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

So a kick starter or pushing won't get a bike with electronic injection going. It needs electricity!

As mentioned plenty of FI bikes have kickstarters. A kickstarter of course can be used to generate electricity but honestly I'm not sure if it's used for that. Maybe it just moves the piston into the right position and requires enough battery to at least boot up the ECU and prime the fuel pump. I had to use the kick starter on my Click 125i couple times but I don't remember how truly empty the battery was.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, eisfeld said:

As mentioned plenty of FI bikes have kickstarters. A kickstarter of course can be used to generate electricity but honestly I'm not sure if it's used for that. Maybe it just moves the piston into the right position and requires enough battery to at least boot up the ECU and prime the fuel pump. I had to use the kick starter on my Click 125i couple times but I don't remember how truly empty the battery was.

You can take the battery out, and the kickstart will still start the EFI and pump.

[eisfeld]

36 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You can take the battery out, and the kickstart will still start the EFI and pump.

Interesting, so there are some capacitors I guess that get charged up by the kicker.

[jackdd]

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I guess, but I am not sure, that that is in a way related to the electronic injection.

If a bike needs a working battery to put fuel into the cylinder then it won't work with a bad battery.

So a kick starter or pushing won't get a bike with electronic injection going. It needs electricity!

(The spark plug is often independent from the battery)

You can kick or push start a fuel injected bike if the battery is empty (push starting a scooter is not possible). I don't know if it's working completely without battery, but i will try it the next time when i'm doing something on the bike.

[Agusts]

This is hard to test, you can not disconnect the battery and try it, it's not the same, need a dead battery and that still depends how dead... !

 

Last year when I still had my Suzuki Hayate 125cc EFi scooter, it had an old battery and I left the switch on for maybe 25min or so, battery went totally flat. Ignition switch would not turn the engine at all, no life. Whatever I tried with the kick-start it had it would not start. A nearby shop wanted me to buy a new battery from him, for some reason I didn't like the guy and he annoyed me to no end, so I opened the battery and walked 5 min to another mechanic, put it under charge for 20min, put it back in the bike and it started with first press of ignition. That battery worked for another year with no problem....! 

 

So I'm very suspicious of kick-start working with dead battery on EFi bikes...

[tlandtday]

On 7/21/2019 at 9:20 AM, eisfeld said:

Interesting, so there are some capacitors I guess that get charged up by the kicker.

the kick starter does not create electricity it simply moves the mechanics to allow the engine to turn over and from there have momentum to start.

[tlandtday]

On 7/18/2019 at 5:06 PM, ktm jeff said:

My thoughts are , the Honda will serve your needs very well for a number of years. It wont be your biggest  financial disaster. You will be fine on it for years.  ABS will improve your chances.  However , I believe , as do many within the motor industry , that Yamaha build quality and value overtook Honda around 6/8 years ago.  

well as much as i like the new aerox and nmax the build quality is nothing special to say the least and imho below honda quality. honda still kicks yamaha in terms of quality.

[tlandtday]

On 7/13/2019 at 2:37 PM, ktm jeff said:

As thailand49 has noticed , because of the poor design and build quality of the Honda Click , they bend in the middle. This is why you cant always shut your seat , the catch wont line up. This also contributes to the poor handling.  With their better design and build quality , and quality suspension , the Yamaha is a much safer bike. You cam also have the Aerox with a true ABS system , unlike the awful CBS system of Honda. And ABS is not available on the PCX. With Yamahas holding their re-sale value better than Honda , and often being cheaper to buy in the first place , its a no brainer.

the seat latch is not from bending in the middle lol although I do prefer a bike that has underbone chassis i do recognize that the others generally will not bend in the middle.  honda simply  built a bad latch mechanism.  the click is a cheap bike as are many in this price category. i like the aerox but it looks to me like it will look like crap in a few years... it is a mio with big tires and a 155 and a lot of plastic... 

[tlandtday]

On 7/10/2019 at 6:08 PM, NCC1701A said:

i have a 125 click. but i like the wider tires on the 150. can't stand that pumpkin color. the key less thing is cool. very hard to get your key lined up in a 125 at night. 

but my 125 is super light and easy to maneuver. zero problems in five years.

it was so inexpensive new i am not worried too much about it getting stolen and held hostage.

just put the wider tires on your click next time problem solved...

[EdrigoSalvadore]

Click is great because it is so easy to find a workshop that has all the spare parts you need. I don´t know if it is as easy with a yamaha?

[jack7106]

On 7/10/2019 at 6:47 PM, eisfeld said:

According to https://paultan.org/2018/05/03/2018-honda-click-150i-and-125i-now-in-thailand-pricing-starts-from-rm6334-up-to-rm7476/ the difference is just 1HP and 2Nm, probably wont notice much. Costs 20% more. Any other differences?

 

Still no ABS available? Fail.

Combi brake system when applying the left hand brake????????????

[jack7106]

On 7/11/2019 at 6:21 PM, JimmyTheMook said:

That's a Pro Sir - Yamaha are trash compared to Honda's.

 

The oversized fairing on Aerox is a joke, noting to see there.

 

 

Bloody good bike if you’re under 5’6” tall – <deleted>????????‍♂️????????????????????????

[Pinot]

Soooooooooo....150 vs 125 Click? Is it significantly faster/cooler to justify the higher price? 

 

Reading this thread shaking my head...carburetors. Tsk

[BritManToo]

On 7/21/2019 at 7:27 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

So a kick starter or pushing won't get a bike with electronic injection going. It needs electricity!

My click 125i has a key and a kickstart. Kicking it provides electricity.

My kids click 150i has no key and no kickstart.

 

Both are electronic injection and idle-stop/start.

[scubascuba3]

8 hours ago, Pinot said:

Soooooooooo....150 vs 125 Click? Is it significantly faster/cooler to justify the higher price? 

 

Reading this thread shaking my head...carburetors. Tsk

I have a 125i which is an excellent bike, but the 150i has better colour options, if you aren't fussed about that get the 125i

[eisfeld]

14 hours ago, BritManToo said:

My click 125i has a key and a kickstart. Kicking it provides electricity.

My kids click 150i has no key and no kickstart.

Didn't know that the 150i had no kickstarter anymore. That would sway me to the 125i, countless times has the kickstart been useful for these little things. Batteries die too quickly in Thailand. I wish my big bikes had a way to manually pump some electricity into them.

 

You say it has no traditional key. If the battery on the fob is dead, does the 150i have some inductive plate somewhere to make it work anyways? I've seen that on some bigger bikes.

[BritManToo]

14 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

You say it has no traditional key. If the battery on the fob is dead, does the 150i have some inductive plate somewhere to make it work anyways? I've seen that on some bigger bikes.

Didn't think of that, but if the fob is dead, the bike is dead if you locked it.

What I did think about is what if you lose the fob.

If you lose it and it's locked ....... you're stuffed, there's no spare provided.

If you lose it and it's unlocked .... anyone can start it anytime.

(and it's really easy to forget to lock it, with the engine stopped all the 'unlocked' warnings disappear after 30 seconds)

[johng]

14 hours ago, Pinot said:

shaking my head...carburetors. Tsk

What's wrong with carburettors ??

[eisfeld]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

If you lose it and it's locked ....... you're stuffed, there's no spare provided.

If you lose it and it's unlocked .... anyone can start it anytime.

No spare key? Really? That's crazy if true.

 

BTW normally these keyless vehicles stop working if the key is not in proximity.

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

BTW normally these keyless vehicles stop working if the key is not in proximity.

Not the click 150i.

It's either locked or unlocked, depending on your last 5 second press of the fob.

[aldriglikvid]

What are some recommended shops to buy a new - or almost new - Click 125i in Pattaya? 

[Farangwithaplan]

On 7/20/2019 at 6:32 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

I don't know if I should think it's funny or ignorant if some people think NOTHING is good about a carburetor.

How about if you are somewhere up country in Nakhon Nowhere and your bike does not work anymore. How high is the chance that you will find a mechanic (or should I say electronic specialist) who can even check the injection - before he can even think about repairing it.

A carburetor has a few mechanical parts which can be checked, cleaned and fixed within an hour or so. NOTHING?

 

And about my bike: Yes, in theory it's possible to change the mapping. The problem is someone has to access the mapping. And on some bikes, including my bike, nobody found a hack to do this until now. If you browse the internet you will find some entries about hacking and changing the mapping for some bikes including some KTM. But the Duke 390 is not in that list. Maybe I should contact the factory in Austria. Do you think they will change it for me?

I see your point of view on this but there are a few things to consider. When was the last time your fuel injection system failed? Contamination of the fuel could render both the fuel injection and the carb useless but repair would be similar with diagnostic. Flush and clean is the answer.

 

If you are talking about the encased electronics failing, that is also unlikely. I don't see people stopped on the side of the road lamenting their broken ignition system and wishing points were still mainstream so a bush mechanical could file them down, re-gap them and get the vehicle on the road again.

 

I've owned dozens of motorcycles over the years and there aren't too many carbed units I would want to go back to except for short term nostalgia and theat would wear off pretty thin after a short period.

 

Modern fuel injection, I find, and I'm talking even the most basic, is crisp and offers good linear throttle response in a way few carb bikes I've ridden ever could.

 

But I also understand a lot of that is personal preference and emotion. So I'm all for others having carbs or points for that matter. But for me they are just relics now that are only good for vehicles used for sunday cruises.

 

 

[papa al]

1 hour ago, aldriglikvid said:

What are some recommended shops to buy a new - or almost new - Click 125i in Pattaya? 

New: Mityon

2nd hand, try pjtrading

[scubascuba3]

5 hours ago, aldriglikvid said:

What are some recommended shops to buy a new - or almost new - Click 125i in Pattaya? 

Mityon, corner of 3rd road and Pattaya Tai. Good service and give a marginally better discount than smaller places

[Cobrabiker]

I am considering to buy the 150, but the problems with keyless really scare me off, heard story about accidental battery draining, and even flat. I am wondering if the PCX keyless is any better than the click? And any safer, security wise?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BritManToo]

51 minutes ago, Cobrabiker said:

I am considering to buy the 150, but the problems with keyless really scare me off, heard story about accidental battery draining, and even flat. I am wondering if the PCX keyless is any better than the click? And any safer, security wise?

Don't know how you could drain the battery, it turns itself off after about 10 seconds of the engine stopping.

(But doesn't lock itself, you forget to lock it and anyone can come along and start it later, no fob required)

[scubascuba3]

8 hours ago, Cobrabiker said:

I am considering to buy the 150, but the problems with keyless really scare me off, heard story about accidental battery draining, and even flat. I am wondering if the PCX keyless is any better than the click? And any safer, security wise?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The problems reported on here were 99% user error, so just make sure you know how to work it correctly