TM.30: Immigration chief tells foreigners: Report where you are and who is staying with you

[holy cow cm]

5 minutes ago, hgma said:

Many people argue that its all a paper tiger thing.

"i have never seen an officer at my house'

many are quoted, i won't attach pictures of I.O in this tread but at least on 5 occasions in the last 5 years we have been visited by Immigration@home, and NOT because i am married to a Thai National, but to check all paperwork ......imho......something is cooking here.

CM I have never been visited. Issan maybe less foreigners and looking to make a bad guy snag or some money? But one thing I believe you said seems to be coming truer and truer, something smells.

[Dr. Zorg]

Then we hear tourism to Thailand is going down. 30% less Europeans etc. and we wonder why ??

[MartinKal]

16 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Does the online reporting actually work?

Yes it works perfectly. Rhere are a few things to set correctly like accept cookies. Also wherever available always us the drop down list.

[MRToMRT]

15 minutes ago, hgma said:

......imho......something is cooking here.

I agree.My guess is what posters have said about a single base computer system (say oracle) amongst more than one ministry means they have to definitively define their workflows for inputting into the system. As computers cannot make a decision unless a process is exactly followed it brought to light that some rules are not being applied/followed and therefore the system could not work. Answer was for heads to demand all legal procedures/rules are met rather than go through process of changing rules/laws.

 

Thats what I think is ultimately behind this. 

 

Edited July 21, 2019 by MRToMRT

[Raymonddiaz]

A 40 years old address report law must be amended. We are in the 21st century now.. C'mon!

[MartinKal]

The rules seem arbitrary and insistent and more and more so. Noone who is a real danger to the kingdom would be caught in this way.

 

I cannot see a rational explanation for why the govt would want to damage its tourist industry or harm foreign residents in this way.

[MartinKal]

4 minutes ago, MRToMRT said:

I agree.My guess is what posters have said about a single base computer system (say oracle) amongst more than one ministry means they have to definitively define their workflows for inputting into the system. As computers cannot make a decision unless a process is exactly followed it brought to light that some rules are not being applied/followed and therefore the system could not work. Answer was for heads to demand all legal procedures/rules are met rather than go through process of changing rules/laws.

 

Thats what I think is ultimately behind this. 

 

I dont think so. Its not technical. Its either political or personal.

[PhonThong]

16 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

Does this mean I have to report a Thai person is stying in my apartment?

What about a dual citizen? Should you ask which passport they entered the country on? This could get real sticky?

[jlwilliamsjr18]

Im beginning to feel like tattoo numbers are next. 

[newatthis]

17 hours ago, rooster59 said:

 

The acting head of Thai Immigration Lt-Gen Sompong Chingduang appears to be stepping up his policy of making sure that all house owners and hoteliers report the whereabouts of foreigners within 24 hours or face fines.

OK, it's the law

17 hours ago, rooster59 said:

As mentioned, the requirement to submit a TM.30 is not new but it is now being more rigorously enforced. 

 

Failing to complete a TM.30 can result in a fine of up to 2,000 baht.

OK, it's the law.

17 hours ago, rooster59 said:

To confirm exactly what is required in your province, contact your local immigration office.

BUT maybe not in your province ??????

 

If we foreigners get confused on these issues, can you imagine how the Thais must feel? Born and bred in Australia with no idea about Australian immigration laws [never affected me back then]. Why would a Thai know about Thai immigration laws especially as they seem to differ from province to province?

[bluesea]

Old news anything to get your head in the media,

[yellowboat]

17 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The acting head of Thai Immigration Lt-Gen Sompong Chingduang appears to be stepping up his policy of making sure that all house owners and hoteliers report the whereabouts of foreigners within 24 hours or face fines.

Spend nights at girlfriend's homes whenever possible.  So who you love is now the interest of the junta?  Was Thaksin ever this bad? BB? Steven100? one more farang? 

 

Malaysia, Vietnam, even China good bye dimwitted wet blankets.

[holy cow cm]

39 minutes ago, ZeVonderBearz said:

Does this include all the migrant workers from Burma, Laos, Cambodia or is it just the farang they are trying to keep tabs on? 

This is where is all comes from. Back in the day these rules of hard monitoring were only subject to the migrant workers, but now it looks as if they are lumping us all together.

[NCC1701A]

9 hours ago, kevin612 said:

This is 2019, please create a website so make our lives easier.

NO. You number 398. Sit down.

[Classic Ray]

I wonder what the policy is for people who rent more than one residence and travel between the two, eg weekly commuters for work? Should they report every time they return home for the weekend?

[CMNightRider]

What is unbelievable about this poster is the head of Thai Immigration actually approved it.  If anyone thinks this anti-westerner nonsense is going to stop here, you must still beieve in the Easter Bunny.  I can't imagine what is coming next. 

 

If you watch Thai news, they are quick to bring to every ones attention the slightest infraction a westerner is involved in. The Thai media is quick to vilify westerners in what seems to be an effort to convince the average Thai citizen, westerners are law breakers and should be closely watched.

 

I wonder what they mean by "For your own safety and life security and property, please comply with the law."

 

 

Edited July 21, 2019 by CMNightRider

[Vacuum]

6 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

This is where is all comes from. Back in the day these rules of hard monitoring were only subject to the migrant workers, but now it looks as if they are lumping us all together.

It's called getting media attention, nothing else.

[billsmart]

One of the lines in this article states:

 

"If you live in a house which is in your wife’s name and you are not named on the tabian baan, then your wife is required to submit a TM.30 form telling immigration you live there."

 

So, does that mean if you ARE named on the tabian baan (which I THINK means have a "Yellow Book" showing you live at that address) that your wife DOESN'T have to file a TM.30 every time you leave the province for a night and return?

[Peterw42]

2 minutes ago, Classic Ray said:

I wonder what the policy is for people who rent more than one residence and travel between the two, eg weekly commuters for work? Should they report every time they return home for the weekend?

Only the immigration office where the guy does extensions etc would be asking to see a TM30 reciept, so the guy would only report there and not worry about a TM30 for an immigration office he will never visit.

[metisdead]

A nonsense post has been removed. 

[aussieinphuket]

so the 24 hr reporting using TM30 works fine i have used it many occasions now, only issue is you cannot print out a copy of the form which you are supposed to then staple into the back of your passport, so i take a photo then i take a print of the photo. but if questioned immigration can go online and check you did it, proven a few weeks ago when i went to do 90 day reporting and the immigration guy got all snarky as couldn't fine me for anything, just said you no do 24hr i said yes online, he said i will check, that was the end of it i assume he found out i was right..

 

but my problem now like i think many others is the system for 90 days reporting, i have tried and tried and tried, i tried via internet explore and then google chrome instead of my usual safari, it just won't work after filling in all the relevant information all you get is report to your local immigration office ...

 

when when when will they sort this out, the sooner the better it will mean lesser people having to go to immigration and cause long length ques ...... has anyone done the 90 days reporting online and it works. how long before the actual due date did you go online and do it....

[goldenbrwn1]

They are most definitely keeping serious tabs on us now. I flew into Bangkok on 22nd May and realised I had forgot the keys to my house here. My wife and family were in Chonburi at a funeral and not due back until the next day. So I decided to stay in a hotel in Bangkok as it was already late.  I asked the taxi driver to take me to a hotel in Bangkok ‘up to him’ . I was so tired I didn’t care.  You can guess where I ended up, yes Na Na! I thought well I’m only sleeping here and off home in the morning so didn’t think much into it.  

 

As I said I didn’t think much into it...right up  until I went to immigration the following week with wifey and kids, showed blue book etc to state where staying and who with, immigration all smiles everything great in the world.  Then it all went tits up as you can imagine.  He said “you stayed Na Na 22nd May”.... I looked at him, he looked at me then my wife gave the Thai embarrassment smile. The world stopped for a moment. I said no that must be a mistake.  More silence and then he said “yes sorry mistake I spell name wrong!” 

 

He bailed me out thinking I’d had been a naughty boy! The thing is I didn’t tell my wife I had stayed Na Na for obvious reasons. I know some on here are thinking oh yeh I bet you didn’t take advantage of the night life and Tbch I have in the past at times but not for at least five or six years, I’m past all that . Well anyway hope that was a cool story bros ???? probably went on a bit tbf.

Edited July 21, 2019 by goldenbrwn1

[Vacuum]

7 minutes ago, billsmart said:

One of the lines in this article states:

 

"If you live in a house which is in your wife’s name and you are not named on the tabian baan, then your wife is required to submit a TM.30 form telling immigration you live there."

 

So, does that mean if you ARE named on the tabian baan (which I THINK means have a "Yellow Book" showing you live at that address) that your wife DOESN'T have to file a TM.30 every time you leave the province for a night and return?

No, that would be too easy.

[Guest]

Yes i see it all now the reason for this is to stimulate the economy by building warehouses to store all the paper, bring back Big Joke he certainly is not as big a joke as these <deleted>

[KKr]

17 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Yes, i wrote about that here before somewhere. Reason being if u are the registered housemaster the system at the airport doesn't log your tm30 out so you are still registered. 

absolutely makes sense.
when I filed that I was to live in the house that is in my wife's name and that I am usufructee of, as I understood the official, that is enough.
Logically speaking, where else would I go?
And if I were to go somewhere else, I need to be reported by the housemaster.

[Tanlic]

This has more replies than a Donald Trump tweet LOL

 

 

No problem here in BKK but I will be moving to bum <deleted>-idaho in 2 years and miles from anywhere so one hopes the online register works.

 

I can understand people who have done nothing wrong, never broken a law in their lives being upset but it really isn't that big a deal

 

Compared to  Facebook Twitter  Thai Immigration is timid.

 

Their tracking youis a total invasion of privacy away out of order.

 

Came up on my girlfriends Facebook she was standing at the counter of Thai airways the other day...makes you scared to go to the toilet

 

 

[BritManToo]

15 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

 

 

Poster says "Tips before you immigrate"

My passport says "non-immigrant", therefore nothing in the poster applies to me.

[Peterw42]

3 minutes ago, aussieinphuket said:

so the 24 hr reporting using TM30 works fine i have used it many occasions now, only issue is you cannot print out a copy of the form which you are supposed to then staple into the back of your passport, so i take a photo then i take a print of the photo. but if questioned immigration can go online and check you did it, proven a few weeks ago when i went to do 90 day reporting and the immigration guy got all snarky as couldn't fine me for anything, just said you no do 24hr i said yes online, he said i will check, that was the end of it i assume he found out i was right..

 

but my problem now like i think many others is the system for 90 days reporting, i have tried and tried and tried, i tried via internet explore and then google chrome instead of my usual safari, it just won't work after filling in all the relevant information all you get is report to your local immigration office ...

 

when when when will they sort this out, the sooner the better it will mean lesser people having to go to immigration and cause long length ques ...... has anyone done the 90 days reporting online and it works. how long before the actual due date did you go online and do it....

The window for online 90 day is 2 weeks before through to 1 week before due date. 

 

The system certainly works, 1,000s use it. 

 

It wont work if you have changed passport or TM6 inside thailand, until you exit and return.

 

[at15]

3 minutes ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

They are most definitely keeping serious tabs on us now. I flew into Bangkok on 22nd May and realised I had forgot the keys to my house here. My wife and family were in Chonburi at a funeral and not due back until the next day. So I decided to stay in a hotel in Bangkok as it was already late.  I asked the taxi driver to take me to a hotel in Bangkok ‘up to him’ . I was so tired I didn’t care.  You can guess where I ended up, yes Na Na! I thought well I’m only sleeping here and off home in the morning so didn’t think much into it.  

 

As I said I didn’t think much into it...right up  until I went to immigration the following week with wifey and kids, showed blue book etc to state where staying and who with, immigration all smiles everything great in the world.  Then it all went tits up as you can imagine.  He said “you stayed Na Na 22nd May”.... I looked at him, he looked at me then my wife gave the Thai embarrassment smile. The world stopped for a moment. I said no that must be a mistake.  More silence and then he said “yes sorry mistake I spell name wrong!” 

 

He bailed me out thinking I’d had been a naughty boy! The thing is I didn’t tell my wife I had stayed Na Na for obvious reasons. I know some on here are thinking oh yeh I bet you didn’t take advantage of the night life and Tbch I have in the past at times but not for at least five or six years, I’m past all that . Well anyway hope that was a cool story bros ???? probably went on a bit tbf.

ridiculous you cant just explain what happened. classic thai women, you could explain your story 100 times and hire a private investigator to prove your innocence and she still would not comprehend one thing. just too god damn low IQ. 

[klauskunkel]

18 hours ago, rooster59 said:

As with many rules and regulations from immigration, the actual requirements may differ from one office to another

and from one officer to another. And from one Immigration Supreme Chief to another.

Glad he "cleared" that up.

 

Look here, Master of Immigration, you are acting on a 40 year old law. Tourism has changed, infrastructure has changed, demographics have changed, communication has changed, data storage has changed. You are trying to apply this law to new circumstances via amendments and letting your officers interpret it as they want. Don't use band-aids on something that is fundamentally broken, you need a new law. 

 

Edited July 21, 2019 by klauskunkel