Farangs and their future standing in LOS

[DJ54]

Might get more traction if the families we support find a way to 

show many Long Timers are doing positive things for their families 

and the country. Then maybe some of the hurdles will be removed, 

 

TM30, 90 day reporting It should be the least of our worries. China

has similar requirements for reporting your whereabouts.. I did it for 10+ Years if you don’t let it be a focal point then it’s less painful. 

 

Those that travel a lot yes it’s a pain. 

 

[dotpoom]

"Not another one"!

[newatthis]

19 hours ago, Yinn said:

This the English of the song thai people sing 8am and 6 pm.

 

Thailand unites the flesh and blood of Thais.
The land of Thailand belongs to the Thais.
Long has been our independence, wish sovereignty allowed to maintain it,
Because Thais have been united forever.
The Thais are peaceful and loving, but are not cowards in war.
Our sovereignty will never be threatened,
We will sacrifice every drop of our blood for our nation.
We are ready to die for freedom, security, and prosperity!

 

 

We happy and friendly and welcome to foreigner, but if you want to change/fight us, you will lose, sure. 

Our country, our rules. If you not want to fill out a Tm 30, then you must leave. Up to you.

But this what they should be singing

 

[smutcakes]

20 hours ago, kellersphuket said:

I'm not even getting into this argument with you.

 

It's just not worth it.

 

Lol. Kellers having a melt down after being out trolled. 

 

If you are going to troll you will need a thicker skin princess

[Lone Ranger]

British tabloid just headlined the story -so a start has been made...more needed.

[Gandtee]

On 8/30/2019 at 4:20 AM, luckyluke said:

And good beer. 

And mayonnaise on chips. I was converted years ago.????

[Yinn]

56 minutes ago, newatthis said:

But this what they should be singing

 

Can sing both.

[lesmac]

Great read unfortunately sense and sensibility can never be applied in Thailand 

[Caine]

On 8/29/2019 at 9:36 PM, luckyluke said:

I got a letter from my embassy (Belgium) that the Consul will contact the Thai authorities in charge of Immigration, and "complain" about the TM30. 

Now I don't expect that Thailand will be highly impressed by this. 

I even suppose some/most will have to check what/where Belgium is. 

 

 

Most westerner with have to check where Belgium is it’s a nonentity country. 

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, Caine said:

Most westerner with have to check where Belgium

Do you seriously claim most westerners are that stupid?! 

[Thaidream]

37 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Can sing both

Yes, and many Thais do.

 

I respect your opinion, but some of your facts in History are not correct.

 

RegardingWorld War II- it certainly was not a 'Farang War' in the Pacific.  The Japanese Empire   colonized Korea and atacked China then moved on to a surpirse attack on Hawaii which broung America into the war.   

 

Thailand did put up a fight  against the Japanese invasion but  capitulated and allowed the Japanese to enter Thailand.  However- the Seri Thai movement was formed and  cooperated with the Allied Powers as well as attacking Japanese garrisons.  There are several elderly Thai people still alive who were part of that movement and at the surrender of Japan- Thailand was recongized as an Ally rather than as an 'enemy'

 

My father fought in World War II and was stationed with the US Marine Corps in Asia for 4 years. He suffered until his death from malaria; nightmares. and stress as a result of the war.  If it were not for people like him and the British; Australians and others- Thailand would have faced a bleak future. 

 

Regarding current events in Thailand- I arrived in 1971 and was in Thailand during each of the  Coups until present- I remember each one vivdly and what led up to the events and the  resultant changes of government.  It was always the Thai people who went to the streets- mostly the youth- when they had enough and wanted change. Thai people do not normally discuss their inner most thoughts with foreigners but are very active on social media and internet forums in Thai and readily express their political sentiments to each other.  In my own family- my Thai wife will discuss these issues with me  but as a general rule most other Thais do not  .

 

By the way- my wife was not a 'bar girl' but even if she was, it is wrong for anyone to look down on what another person has  done in the past.  Thai  bureacracy and the elite may  think whatever they want but normally both my wife and I are treated with respect and courtesy.

 

No one likes to have their country villified or criticised by a foreigner.  Thais do not like it nor do Americans; the British or others. All of us feel a certain Nationalism and pride in the achievements  of our countries.  Many of us criticise our own countries but generally speaking I have found Thai people to not  do this with foreigners.

 

For each problem Thailand has-and is pointed out- our own countries have something similar. However, much of the foreign criticism of Thailand  centers on it's bureacracy which is slow to change, slow to adapt and causes frustration amongs the foreign community.  The majority of us want to obey the law and comply but sometimes the 'system' makes it difficult, hence, the criticism.

 

Thai mindsets and foreign mindsets are completely different and that is because we both  come from vastly different cultures.  Thais do not like  confrontations; directness and normally  just go along to get along.  Westerners  speak directly; are offended by official incompetence and have a history of speaking up.

 

However, Thais and Westerners want the same thing- peace; a secure future and fairness and equity,  It's just that we both have different paths to reach the end. Each of us need to be more tolerant of each others differences .   My general rule is that since I am a resident of Thailand- I try and adjust to the Thai system and act accordingly which seems to work quite well.  If I need to sound off on a subject- I do it within my own foreign community such as this forum.

 

So- do not take it personally- the majority of us simply want to  live in peace/

 

 

[soalbundy]

2 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Post of the month laying out the problems that us 'aliens' face and pleading for a united front against the nonsense - and predictably you have a succession of members making infantile comments and slagging off a person who has very real concerns that should bother us all.

So sorry, OP, you are hitting your head against a brick wall. There isn't enough intelligent life among TV members to care or unite about anything. It's a reflection of the type of people that Thailand has long attracted, due to lack of law enforcement and the local couldn't care less attitude. It means they don't have to try too hard to keep up standards. Okay if they want to do that if that is what makes them comfortable, as long as they don't expect to be taken seriously - as with some of the comments above.

What bargaining power would a united front of ex-pats have? None, it is therefore a pointless idea which would only stir up more trouble. We will all leave and go to Vietnam, no we won't and even if we did it wouldn't bother the powers that be one bit. The embassies job isn't to make sure that we have a trouble free life here, so they do the minimum required, lost passports, consular assistance due to imprisonment, accidents etc. They are not going to interfere with a countries internal policies so no help there either. Constructive complaint yes but forget demands.

[Thaidream]

3 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

hat bargaining power would a united front of ex-pats have? None, it is therefore a pointless idea which would only stir up more trouble. We will all leave and go to Vietnam, no we won't and even if we did it wouldn't bother the powers that be one bit. The embassies job isn't to make sure that we have a trouble free life here, so they do the minimum required, lost passports, consular assistance due to imprisonment, accidents etc. They are not going to interfere with a countries internal policies so no help there either. Constructive complaint yes but forget demands.

I would agree- but what each of us can do- at least the US; UK and Aussies is to continue to write our Embassies and  state our cases- such as the problems caused by the  stopping of Income Letters and  problems complying with things like official reporting.  I do this frequesntly and soon there will be a new Charge D.Affairs at the US Embassy who will get a 'welcome letter' again bringing up the income letters as well as the issue of  reciprocity in Thailand for people married to Thai citizens.  They may well ignore me but at least I will try

[ianezy0]

Well if the authorities take note of some of the comments on TV then it doesn’t surprise me that they don’t want us here. This has been said before but, carry on and dig your own graves. Plead innocent and keep your abusive comments directed at the Thai people and the authorities.

In the process we can all be tarred with the same brush.

Have a great day all you glass half full buddies and see you all back home.....lol

 

[SunsetT]

On 8/29/2019 at 10:20 PM, luckyluke said:

And good beer. 

Lager not beer!

 

[Isaan sailor]

TM30 bothers my Isaan wife far more than it bothers me.  I simply remind her to call Immigration with the magic numbers.  

For me, it’s all about that overpriced Baht.

[DUNROAMIN]

4 hours ago, Yinn said:

Maybe the thai you know. In the bar.

But everyone I know about this.. 

 

Remember, thailand also have problem with the stupid farang war 2.

So cruel. Black heart.

 

 

Looks familiar, seen people wearing the same peak cap here!!!!!!

[Pdavies99]

An issue that will not get better....but an answer might be a "probationary" period, ie 1st 24 months you must effect TM30 etc, then provided you have not caused any issues then the regulations could just be an annual rextension or even a 3 year extension.  That way every one is happy!"

[luckyluke]

1 hour ago, SunsetT said:

Lager not beer!

Belgium counts 200 breweries, with 1600 kind of beers. 

Nearly each kind of beer has his own kind of glass. 

Belgian beers are primarily ales with an emphasy on malts next to fruity yeast flawors. 

 

For confirmation and further details please use Google. 

[wwest5829]

Yes, Swiss, these are also my thoughts. I remember well the criticism we Americans had that USSR citizens had to have internal permissions to travel within their own country (not so ready to point this out today as the US is increasingly demanding proper IDs to be presented now for US citizens to travel within the US in the name of "national security" ... but I digress). I do believe we should all be using our social media platforms to tell others we know around the globe of the unreasonable need to report (long term residents) our returning to our own residences after making a trip over 24 hours within Thailand. Additionally, I would encourage telling the stories of the burden caused, including some who are required to travel for employment (noting that our addresses are already required to be reported every 90 days and if moving our residence. These stories should be sent to both the Thai English language "Letters to the Editor" and to news outlets within our own native countries, to our embassies and to the Thai Embassies in our native countries. I am one who believes that this type of global action would indeed bring a positive "updating" of the law concerning the TM 30 debacle. Thais would not have to publicly acknowledge the pressure, just handle it as a routine "updating".

[wwest5829]

4 hours ago, DJ54 said:

Might get more traction if the families we support find a way to 

show many Long Timers are doing positive things for their families 

and the country. Then maybe some of the hurdles will be removed, 

 

TM30, 90 day reporting It should be the least of our worries. China

has similar requirements for reporting your whereabouts.. I did it for 10+ Years if you don’t let it be a focal point then it’s less painful. 

 

Those that travel a lot yes it’s a pain. 

 

Yes, one of the reasons I retired in Thailand rather than totalitarian Peoples Republic of China ... I thought their was a difference. 8 years here, I would think the 90 Day Reports, when moving residences and when re-entering the country would be sufficient.

[spidermike007]

Good post with valid points. Only with pressure, pushback and embarrassment will the authorities here learn to behave and treat us with even a tiny degree of respect. Getting the embassies involved is a good idea. Surely it must impact their staffs too. I agree how inane the TM-30 is. It is truly Soviet bloc bureaucratic nonsense.  

[wwest5829]

1 hour ago, Thaidream said:

I would agree- but what each of us can do- at least the US; UK and Aussies is to continue to write our Embassies and  state our cases- such as the problems caused by the  stopping of Income Letters and  problems complying with things like official reporting.  I do this frequesntly and soon there will be a new Charge D.Affairs at the US Embassy who will get a 'welcome letter' again bringing up the income letters as well as the issue of  reciprocity in Thailand for people married to Thai citizens.  They may well ignore me but at least I will try

I do support your bringing your concerns to the attention of our Embassy here in Thailand. I differ in my approach to the stopping of the income letter as it is not the assigned duties to be tracing and confirming our retirement or other income (unlike many in EU countries we do not have just one government pension ... dealing with American retirement funs would be like herding cats).

[RJRS1301]

2 hours ago, Caine said:

Most westerner with have to check where Belgium is it’s a nonentity country. 

Speak for yourself, some of us have even enjoyed great times there

 

[RJRS1301]

2 hours ago, Caine said:

Most westerner with have to check where Belgium is it’s a nonentity country. 

Speak for yourself, some of us have even enjoyed great times there

 

[DUNROAMIN]

Is Thailand becoming a police state.

 

Edited August 31, 2019 by DUNROAMIN
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[RJRS1301]

4 minutes ago, DUNROAMIN said:

Is Thailand becoming a police state.

 

It appears to be becoming more restrictive, it needs to address the endemic corruption at all levels, and we need to stop contributing to it

 

[pgrahmm]

6 hours ago, Yinn said:

That will not happen. Sure. Never. 

It's in the beginning of a Chinese stampede & economic siege already.....It won't take long.....

The Chinese know exactly what they are doing....Easy terms for the Chi/Thai railroad, military equipment, etc, etc, .....

 

Best buddies, your helpful big brother is grabbing everything and every place they can get control over.....

[rumak]

On 8/30/2019 at 10:13 AM, Yinn said:

Most farang Good, Some is bad. Same every country. Have good and bad.

Really you could just post this in most cases (of your posts).    The rest of what you say is often a lot more difficult to read and makes some of us good farangs wonder what you're bitter about.

I really don't see much positivity coming from you.   But the music thread is a good start .

Edited August 31, 2019 by rumak

[oslooskar]

20 hours ago, Yinn said:

And the farang kill the Native American also right? 

 

Please think.

YES, me think and do history research. Me find out distant cousins of American Indians, Mongols, come to Europe from Asia and kill millions farangs. This happen long before farangs go America or Asia. Me think you need history lesson. Me also think you Westerner like pretend be asian, no? ????

Edited August 31, 2019 by oslooskar