Opponents of 'no-deal' Brexit defeat PM Johnson, who promises an election

[SheungWan]

So which would you like a referendum or GE or both? And when do you want it/them?

After October 31. Thank you.

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[Denim]

33 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

So which would you like a referendum or GE or both? And when do you want it/them?

Neither. Why repeat when the answer has already been given.

 

 

[david555]

Michael Savage Policy editor

Sat 7 Sep 2019 11.34 BST

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/mps-checked-with-eu-chiefs-over-brexit-delay-before-passing-bill

MPs 'checked with EU chiefs over Brexit delay' before passing bill

MPs prepare for legal battle in case PM attempts to defy law forcing

 

Senior MPs opposing a no-deal Brexit sought assurances from the EU their bid for a three-month delay would be granted, it has emerged.

European leaders were sounded out before MPs, including the “rebel alliance”, passed a bill, expected to receive royal assent on Monday, forcing Boris Johnson to ask for an extension. However, those involved said there were no guarantees in a process that was changing by the day.

It comes as the rebels, including former Tories who were subsequently thrown out of the party, prepare for a legal battle in case the prime minister attempts to defy a law forcing him to ask for an extension on 19 October. The UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October, but the new law would envisage a Brexit extension until the end of January 2020.

 

Opposition parties have agreed to block a general election before a Brexit extension has been agreed.

The sounding of EU leaders over an extension has angered Tory Brexiters. The Conservative MP and former cabinet minister David Jones said: “Senior EU figures gave private assurances to British MPs, as a consequence of which they supported the surrender bill. This confirms the level of EU interference in our internal affairs and makes the need for Brexit all the more pressing.”

Edited September 7, 2019 by david555

[Airbagwill]

11 hours ago, sanemax said:

people have already voted on that though and they voted to leave the EU

you can't vote the world flat.

[Airbagwill]

19 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

After October 31. Thank you.

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Which?

[Airbagwill]

On 9/6/2019 at 3:55 PM, beautifulthailand99 said:

Corbyn now 2/1 to be next PM. Well Done Boris/Cumming's/Farage. It is Brexiters that are now in the Elephant Trap - with pied piper Farage cooing them into his corner. 

Nice of them to tell where we have to go and vote.......

[7by7]

7 hours ago, vogie said:

<snip>

Where have I said that the referendum was anything else but advisory. But just to add, parliament agreed to act on behalf of the advice they received from the British electorate.

 But three years later and they have yet to so do!

 

Mainly due to the antics of Rees-Mogg and others of his ilk.

 

Parliament can't make the decision, so let we the people decide in a final, this time legally binding, referendum.

[sanemax]

6 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

you can't vote the world flat.

well, obviously you cannot vote the world flat .

why state the obvious ?

[7by7]

4 hours ago, Thairealist said:

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My worry is that my children will suffer, if in the future they are colonist of the E.U. Due to our Treacherous M.P’s and their gullible supporters.

 

Do you mean treacherous MPs like Rees-Mogg?

 

You must do, because if it wasn't for him and those of his ilk we would have left last March.

[sanemax]

6 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 But three years later and they have yet to so do!

 

Mainly due to the antics of Rees-Mogg and others of his ilk.

 

Parliament can't make the decision, so let we the people decide in a final, this time legally binding, referendum.

there has already been the referendum though .

if the UK Gov are not going to what the electorate voted for , theres no point in asking again

[StreetCowboy]

Lee Khan Yew steered Singapore out of Malaysia to prosperity.

 

We have Boris Johnson.

 

I wonder If I can move to Singapore?

[Thairealist]

22 minutes ago, david555 said:

Michael Savage Policy editor

Sat 7 Sep 2019 11.34 BST

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/mps-checked-with-eu-chiefs-over-brexit-delay-before-passing-bill

MPs 'checked with EU chiefs over Brexit delay' before passing bill

MPs prepare for legal battle in case PM attempts to defy law forcing

 

Senior MPs opposing a no-deal Brexit sought assurances from the EU their bid for a three-month delay would be granted, it has emerged.

European leaders were sounded out before MPs, including the “rebel alliance”, passed a bill, expected to receive royal assent on Monday, forcing Boris Johnson to ask for an extension. However, those involved said there were no guarantees in a process that was changing by the day.

It comes as the rebels, including former Tories who were subsequently thrown out of the party, prepare for a legal battle in case the prime minister attempts to defy a law forcing him to ask for an extension on 19 October. The UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October, but the new law would envisage a Brexit extension until the end of January 2020.

 

Opposition parties have agreed to block a general election before a Brexit extension has been agreed.

The sounding of EU leaders over an extension has angered Tory Brexiters. The Conservative MP and former cabinet minister David Jones said: “Senior EU figures gave private assurances to British MPs, as a consequence of which they supported the surrender bill. This confirms the level of EU interference in our internal affairs and makes the need for Brexit all the more pressing.”

 So confirmation that opposition M.P’s ( quislings) take their instructions from Brussels. Well for your information, the British people gave them the two finger sign in 2016. 

 

 

[7by7]

6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

there has already been the referendum though .

if the UK Gov are not going to what the electorate voted for , theres no point in asking again

Rees-Mogg and his mates stopped Parliament from doing what the people asked for.

 

Make this referendum legally binding, then Parliament has to do what the people ask for.

[StreetCowboy]

2 minutes ago, Thairealist said:

 So confirmation that opposition M.P’s ( quislings) take their instructions from Brussels. Well for your information, the British people gave them the two finger sign in 2016. 

 

 

It seems downright normal to investigate whether a proposal is feasible with the other parties involved.  Only a buffoon would embark on any political endeavour without canvassing support and opinion.

 

Unless Boris ”Remain” Johnson’s aim was always to undermine Brexit.  Good job, Boris!

[Denim]

3 hours ago, GalaxyMan said:

Must feel strange to have the clock run full circle and now you're the colonists instead of the oppressive colonizers. Karma's a biatch. Can't help but feel that it's all just a bit of poetic justice. ????

 

I think you got that a**e about face.

 

Have another shot at it.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Denim

[7by7]

5 minutes ago, Thairealist said:

 So confirmation that opposition M.P’s ( quislings) take their instructions from Brussels. Well for your information, the British people gave them the two finger sign in 2016. 

 

 

Typical Brexiteer spin.

 

They, understandably, sought confirmation from the EU that if successful they could, if necessary, extend Article 50. Confirmation which is not assured, as anyone who bothered to read the quote can see.

 

The real Quislings are those who prevented Brexit from happening last March; people such as Rees-Mogg.

[sanemax]

6 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Rees-Mogg and his mates stopped Parliament from doing what the people asked for.

 

Make this referendum legally binding, then Parliament has to do what the people ask for.

just make a new law stating that the last referendum is legally binding

[welovesundaysatspace]

14 minutes ago, sanemax said:

there has already been the referendum though .

An advisory one. 

 

14 minutes ago, sanemax said:

if the UK Gov are not going to what the electorate voted for , theres no point in asking again

No government would ever be able to do so, because you cannot at the same time satisfy the electorate that voted for leaving without a deal and those who voted for leaving with a deal. And there you have your point for asking; not asking “again” but asking more precisely. 

[7by7]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

just make a new law stating that the last referendum is legally binding

 If only it were that simple.

 

I believe that Parliament cannot change the conditions of a vote, be it election or referendum, after that vote has taken place.

 

At least, I can't find anything to say that they can; but can't find anything to say that they can't either!

 

Can you?

[sanemax]

6 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 If only it were that simple.

 

I believe that Parliament cannot change the conditions of a vote, be it election or referendum, after that vote has taken place.

 

At least, I can't find anything to say that they can; but can't find anything to say that they can't either!

 

Can you?

there wont be another vote anyway , so , no point in even thinking about it

[nauseus]

19 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Lee Khan Yew steered Singapore out of Malaysia to prosperity.

 

We have Boris Johnson.

 

I wonder If I can move to Singapore?

That is a strange comparison.

[StreetCowboy]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

That is a strange comparison.

Any comparison with Boris Johnson in it would be strange.

[7by7]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

there wont be another vote anyway , so , no point in even thinking about it

 I wouldn't bet on that were I you!

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

An advisory one. 

 

No government would ever be able to do so, because you cannot at the same time satisfy the electorate that voted for leaving without a deal and those who voted for leaving with a deal. And there you have your point for asking; not asking “again” but asking more precisely. 

could have very precise new referendum :

1 . Do you want to remain in the EU 

2 . Do you want to cancel brexit .

   Please tick only onle box

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 I wouldn't bet on that were I you!

there would be no point in another referendum .

If the UK Gov are not going to deliver , just cancel it and forget it ever happened

[7by7]

1 minute ago, Thairealist said:

I repeat the Quisling opposition M.P.’s take their instructions from Brussels, instead of taking note of what the British people demand.

 You evidence of that being? None; just supposition.

 

As for your charts, some say one thing, others say the opposite.

[Airbagwill]

whatever happens - revoke article 50, referendum, election, deal or no-deal Brexit, the UK will end up back in the EU in the end.......unfortunately what happens to Brexit determines the amount of damage to the country first.

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Typical Brexiteer spin.

 

They, understandably, sought confirmation from the EU that if successful they could, if necessary, extend Article 50. Confirmation which is not assured, as anyone who bothered to read the quote can see.

 

The real Quislings are those who prevented Brexit from happening last March; people such as Rees-Mogg.

Apart from the dishonourable and undemocratic clowns who occupy the HoC and HoL right now, the real quislings are those who were left in control of the negotiations for more than two years, only to come up with such a poor and unacceptable withdrawal agreement (treaty); people such as May and Robbins.

[7by7]

Just now, sanemax said:

there would be no point in another referendum .

If the UK Gov are not going to deliver , just cancel it and forget it ever happened

 

The UK government would have delivered Brexit last March had Rees-Mogg and others not put personal interests ahead of the country's and blocked it. 

 

How many more times does that have to be pointed out to you?

 

So let's remove MPs who do that from the process and give the decision back to a final, legally binding referendum. With proper options as detailed many times previously.

 

Why are you so afraid of that? 

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Any comparison with Boris Johnson in it would be strange.

No comparison with LKY however, he had free range and could do exactly as he wanted.