Jomtien says extensions need to show Insurance

[hereforgood]

Sitting at the pool in my complex a guy that had just returned from Immigration inquired about the Medical Insurance requirements. He was told by the staff at desk 8 that he not need this time but he WOULD have to provide the insurance when he extended next year. He said he questioned them and he said they simply told him yes need boss say need. Taqke it for what it's worth.  

[johng]

4 minutes ago, hereforgood said:

He was told by the staff at desk 8 that he not need this time but he WOULD have to provide the insurance when he extended next year

Retirement visa extension ????

[hereforgood]

Retirement visa extension ????

Sorry yes he's on a retirement

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[RedPill]

Wouldn't surprise me at all or knock me unexpectedly off my chair if they are going to do it.

 

 

Edited October 11, 2019 by RedPill

[Pattaya46]

Rumour with no indication of the visa type...  

[Skallywag]

yes there is already a 40 page thread about this.

Thailand to demand proof of health insurance for 'risky' long-term visitors

By webfact, Yesterday at 03:08 AM in Thailand News

[madmen]

I have no Faith in second hand friend of a friend reports

[Pattaya46]

3 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

yes there is already a 40 page thread about this. //

40 pages in which many important members don't stop posting

insisting that this Insurance rule does NOT concern Retirement  Extensions... 

[Jingthing]

Supposedly these new rules (whatever their interpretation which as usual is clear as muddy mud) go into effect at the end of this October. 

 

I wouldn't assume that this officer said is the final word on this, but I wouldn't assume that it isn't either.

 

Stay tuned.

Edited October 11, 2019 by Jingthing

[hereforgood]

The gentleman that told us the story at the pool I don't know personally I can vouch for him. But I do know that he had just came back from immigration with that story like I said I'm not trying to convince people it's true or untrue just repeating what was told to me by somebody who was actually at immigration. But if this is the case and I don't doubt it for a second just another example of different offices reading into the rules differently

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[RedPill]

11 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

40 pages in which many important members don't stop posting

insisting that this Insurance rule does NOT concern Retirement  Extensions... 

What to expect? Big headlines on TVF: BREAKING NEWS Long Term stayers required to have health insurance ...

 

... of course there is going to be a lot of discussions about it. First the need to fiddle out what exact visas etc.

 

Everybody here knows and sees how things are drilled down and is getting more enforced over the years. 

 

There is nothing too crazy when people think ahead and can see this coming for extensions, too. 

I certainly would not be surprised.

 

But we will see ... for now it's not. Ok ...!

 

 

 

Edited October 11, 2019 by RedPill

[TSF]

It's all part of culling the farang herd. Bringing in this mandatory insurance will absolutely get rid of a large percentage of retirees. 

[gk10002000]

I will post one paycheck and bet they will require insurance for extensions of retirement purpose visas.  Any long term stay is what they are gunning for.  No way a local IO would rule conservatively.  It is no skin off their nose if you stay or go.  That is their view

[madmen]

2 minutes ago, TSF said:

It's all part of culling the farang herd. Bringing in this mandatory insurance will absolutely get rid of a large percentage of retirees. 

No they want them to stay to continue to bleed them dry. 

[crazygreg44]

as there is neither a "retirememnt visa" nor a "retirement extension" I highly doubt your friend is on any sort of Extension of Stay.  Maybe you can clarify this with your friend.  Maybe he calls his one-year Non-Imm-O/A Visa Multi Entry a "retirement extension" because when he applied for the Non-Imm-O/A in his home country, the requirements read "people over 50 and/or retired".

 

So what they are trying to tell him on Jomtien Immigration is actually true if you wish to extend your 1-year Non-Imm-O/A into the second year, now the new rules say that you need a thai accredited health insurance for the duration of your next "1-year stay permit" he can get with the Non-Imm-O/A

 

If he is actually and factually on an "1-year Extension of Stay Permit based on retirement" and wants to apply for the renewal before the his current permission of stay ends, I strongly guess the officer is making things up for himself or even hasn't fully understood the up-to date police order on the requirement of Health Insurances for holders of the Non-Imm-O/A

 

The spoken suggestions - none of the a police order, just bla bla - of Mr. Pittutech that all kind of "longstayers" needed Health Insurance stems from the same mind that suggested burning shorter incense sticks will help fight against pollution

 

 

Edited October 11, 2019 by crazygreg44

[AussieBob18]

27 minutes ago, TSF said:

It's all part of culling the farang herd. Bringing in this mandatory insurance will absolutely get rid of a large percentage of retirees. 

Correct.  And it will stop many coming for long tsyaing periods too.  It has changed my plans - no way I am buying and living in Thailand for most of the year, after I get the pension. And I know 2 other blokes who now feel the same way about going there for longer than 2-3 months on a Tourist Visa.  Not only will this affect those already there and staying on Extensions/Renewals, it will also affect those who want to live in both Thailand and their home country. 

 

I know it is only for O-A Visas now (Retirement), but I can see it also being applied to the long term Marriage Visas in the future.  All they will need to do is create a sub-category (those aged 50+) and they can then easily apply the insurance requirement to that Visa too. 

[andy72]

43 minutes ago, TSF said:

It's all part of culling the farang herd. Bringing in this mandatory insurance will absolutely get rid of a large percentage of retirees. 

wheat from the chaff TSF wheat from the chaff
softly softly catchee monkey

[Jingthing]

53 minutes ago, hereforgood said:

The gentleman that told us the story at the pool I don't know personally I can vouch for him. But I do know that he had just came back from immigration with that story like I said I'm not trying to convince people it's true or untrue just repeating what was told to me by somebody who was actually at immigration. But if this is the case and I don't doubt it for a second just another example of different offices reading into the rules differently

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Was his original visa an O or O-A? Some theorists are saying it will make a difference for extension requirements. Not saying that it's LOGICAL that it will make a difference but if this report is from someone that started with an O rather than an O-A it will serve to panic a larger group of people.

 

All part of the "fun" of being on retirement status in Thailand.

[hereforgood]

Was his original visa an O or O-A? Some theorists are saying it will make a difference for extension requirements. Not saying that it's LOGICAL that it will make a difference but if this report is from someone that started with an O rather than an O-A it will serve to panic a larger group of people.
 
All part of the "fun" of being on retirement status in Thailand.

I really don't have any idea I don't know the gentleman only was sitting there with another friend when he told the story of his visit

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[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, hereforgood said:

I really don't have any idea I don't know the gentleman only was sitting there with another friend when he told the story of his visit

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If you see him again, perhaps ask for more details.

[Skallywag]

1 hour ago, Pattaya46 said:

40 pages in which many important members don't stop posting

insisting that this Insurance rule does NOT concern Retirement  Extensions... 

Well of course it concerns retirement extensions for those who do not have insurance. 

I wasn't saying it doesn't

Just saying it is not "news" as is already being discussed in several threads and companies who provide such insurance are listed: https://longstay.tgia.org/home/companiesoa

Compulsory Health insurance for 0-A visa applicants effective 31st October

By Lovethailandelite, Wednesday at 01:51 PM in Thai visas, residency and work permits

 

 

[steve2112]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Supposedly these new rules (whatever their interpretation which as usual is clear as muddy mud) go into effect at the end of this October. 

 

i arrived on a non 0 middle of september and plan to do a married extension in december, how early can you start that extension?

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, steve2112 said:

i arrived on a non 0 middle of september and plan to do a married extension in december, how early can you start that extension?

One month before at Jomtien.

[Sheryl]

Did he enter on an O-A bisa or O? The order clearly ststes O-A only.

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[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Sheryl said:

Did he enter on an O-A bisa or O? The order clearly ststes O-A only.

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I already asked that and he already answered that he doesn't know. Oh well. 

[doctormann]

My O-A visa expired back in 2006 and I've been doing annual extensions based on retirement ever since

I don't really see the relevance of initially having an O-A visa, rather than a non-O.  Once the visa has expired you just do the same extension thereafter for either type.

 

I also don't see the relevance of differentiating between retirement and marriage extensions - if they do so.  Are there no married foreigners here that are over 50 years of age?  

 

As usual, clear as mud and I suppose that all we can do is wait until the murk clears - and maybe formulate 'Plan B' in the meantime.

 

I'm 75 in December and have health issues.  Previous medical treatment I have paid for myself as I can't get insurance.  If this new insurance requirement is enforced for retirement extensions then that will be the end of the road for me and, I suspect, many others.  The prospect of repatriating to UK does not exactly fill me with joy but if it has to happen then so be it.

[Momofarang]

Here goes another 2 or 3 percent of my livelihood...

[RedPill]

1 minute ago, doctormann said:

My O-A visa expired back in 2006 and I've been doing annual extensions based on retirement ever since

I don't really see the relevance of initially having an O-A visa, rather than a non-O.  Once the visa has expired you just do the same extension thereafter for either type.

Really? So it is possible to extend an O-A into a retirement extension?

 

Yesterday I had a few posts with someone who stated that this is not possible. 

 

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, RedPill said:

Really? So it is possible to extend an O-A into a retirement extension?

 

Yesterday I had a few posts with someone who stated that this is not possible. 

 

 

 

 

Of course it's possible!
Also it's very common. 

You can enter the retirement extension system in Thailand with either an O visa or an O-A visa.

Cheers.

[fishtank]

3 minutes ago, RedPill said:

Really? So it is possible to extend an O-A into a retirement extension?

 

Yesterday I had a few posts with someone who stated that this is not possible. 

 

 

 

 

Of course it is possible.

How do you think many expats stay here?