Trump hails death of 'depraved' Islamic State leader Baghdadi in U.S. raid

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

If nothing else, this thread exposes the pathological anti Trump bias 

where these jokers can't even bring themselves to admit that he

helmed the action to finish off one of the most evil mfkrs on the planet.

 

Good job anti Trumpers, we'll never believe a word you and MSM say from now on.

Firstly, Trump lies with such frequency that it's hard to take anything he says at face value.

 

Secondly, Trump frequently takes credit for successes he had nothing to do with.  So that's the context we're dealing with. 

[Krataiboy]

Another "useful idiot" bites the dust. That's how leaders of the former Soviet Union described foreign dupes used to spread Communism by friendship or force.

 

Like the late Osama Bin Laden, Al Baghdadi, was an asset of US Intelligence. His job with the Alliance-backed Free Syrian Army (FSA) was to end the Syrian "civil war" by bringing down the Assad government.

 

Useful idiot Baghdadi made the same fatal mistake as his Al Qaeda predecessor, rashly biting the hand that fed. He deserted the FSA with a bunch of jihadist followers to carve out a brutal new Caliphate the world came to know as Islamic State (IS).

 

America does not have friends, only allies - and historically has been harshly unforgiving of turncoats. It was just a matter of time before Al Baghdadi's Western paymasters caught up with him, as they did Bin Laden, and handed him his redundancy notice. 

 

Khalas jayid.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Krataiboy

[opalred]

a lot is not  making any sense looking at the pictures it was a house made of concrete and reo 

after they bombed it /it was just rubble  /nothing could survive \

i saw a kids stroller in the rubble 

trump said he was begging and saying cowardly things when corned with 3 children

come on wake up \with guns firing around the place dogs barking and 3 frightened children screaming you could hear him talking ?

[sirineou]

 Wasn't he killed several time before?

[tonbridgebrit]

2 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Another "useful idiot" bites the dust. That's how leaders of the former Soviet Union used to call foreign dupes used to spread Communism by friendship or force.

 

Like the late Osama Bin Laden, Al Baghdadi, was an asset of US Intelligence. His job with the Alliance-backed Free Syrian Army (FSA) was to end the Syrian "civil war" by bringing down the Assad government.

 

Al Baghdadi made the same fatal mistake as Bin Laden had, by biting the hand that fed. He deserted the FSA with a bunch of jihadist followers to carve out a brutal new Caliphate the world came to know as Islamic State (IS).

 

America does not have friends, only allies, and is historically unforgiving of turncoats. It was just a matter of time before Al Baghdadi's Western paymasters caught up with him, as they had Bin Laden, and handed him his redundancy notice.

ThaiVisa has people who know what's really going on. You're one of them.

Actually, I don't reckon Al Baghdadi was a "turncoat".  In his case, he was simply no longer useful to the US government. And once he was no longer useful, when it made more sense to remove him, well, he was removed.

America wanted to see Al Baghdadi contribute to the removal of Assad. And then remove Al Baghdadi. Assad is still there, Al Baghdadi was no longer useful. That's why he was removed. Plus, his removal meant that the present guys in the White House can take the credit.

[tifino]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

 Wasn't he killed several time before?

it was only a flesh wound?

 

 

anyways another one will pop up tomorrow, but you won't be able to tell the difference..

 

what an inheritance for the next one(s)

-  a quick boost... from Rags to ...Rags

[pkspeaker]

6 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Sorry but mainstream media calling the vile Al Baghdadi an "austere religious scholar" and writing a lengthy glowing tribute to him is encouragement. The outpouring of hatred and abuse against President Trump who has done more for peace and prosperity in the Middle East than the last dozen presidents combined, yes, that is encouraging the remnants of ISIS too. People ought to be ashamed of their behavior following this incredible result by Trump. Full credit is due to him, anything else is encouraging terrorists.

can you link to the lengthy glowing tribute ?

[sirineou]

10 minutes ago, tifino said:

it was only a flesh wound?

 

 

anyways another one will pop up tomorrow, but you won't be able to tell the difference..

 

what an inheritance for the next one(s)

-  a quick boost... from Rags to ...Rags

 ISIS is a religious ideology that people who have being traumatized by  events in the middle east  seek refuge in. As long as destabilizing conditions in the region exist so would the ISIS ideology, the names and leaders might change. but the song will remain the same.

  And both they, and as will pay for it while those who profit from it will laugh all the way to the bank.

 

  

[sammieuk1]

Mentioning depraved and Trump in the same headline is spot on ????

[Jingthing]

12 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

Yes and I don't imagine for one minute that the terrorist was "whimpering and crying" especially as he blew himself up.

 

Yes sounds like a classic 45 style lie for sure. 

[Jingthing]

11 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Nice to see the Trump haters struggling to say something negative, if he brought world peace and ended poverty some would still moan and whine. He's not a very nice person but is a great President and that's all you need him to be.

Alas but he is neither. 

[rabas]

3 hours ago, sirineou said:

 ISIS is a religious ideology that people who have being traumatized by  events in the middle east  seek refuge in. As long as destabilizing conditions in the region exist so would the ISIS ideology, the names and leaders might change. but the song will remain the same.

  And both they, and as will pay for it while those who profit from it will laugh all the way to the bank.

Although it's good to see Trump spreading positive feelings about religion among so many, ISIL is not as you suggest.  According to the UN, the actions of ISIL (Daesh) cannot and should not be associated with any religion, nationality or civilization.

 

ISIL is considered to have the worst record of human atrocities in all of modern history. They used death threats, torture and mutilation to compel conversion to Islam, and are responsible for the ethnic cleansing of ethnic and religious minority groups on a "historic scale". 

 

They routinely dominated captured peoples through terror, indoctrination, torture, mutilation, sexual violence. They are also guilty of killing children as young as 12 by using them in fighting, trading women and girls as sex slaves, rape, selling women at markets, burning people to death, the international distribution of snuff videos, and it just goes on and on.

 

Don't think they were providing solace.

 

Background:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_ISIL-controlled_territoryhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_ISIL-controlled_territory

Edited October 28, 2019 by rabas

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, rabas said:

Although it's good to see Trump spreading positive feelings about religion among so many, ISIL is not as you suggest.  According to the UN, the actions of ISIL (Daesh) cannot and should not be associated with any religion, nationality or civilization.

 

ISIL is considered to have the worst record of human atrocities in all of modern history. They used death threats, torture and mutilation to compel conversion to Islam, and are responsible for the ethnic cleansing of ethnic and religious minority groups on a "historic scale". 

 

They routinely dominated captured peoples through terror, indoctrination, torture, mutilation, sexual violence. They are also guilty of killing children as young as 12 by using them in fighting, trading women and girls as sex slaves  , rape, selling women at markets, burning people to death, the international distribution of snuff videos, and it just goes on and on.

 

Don't think they were providing solace.

 

Background:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_ISIL-controlled_territoryhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_ISIL-controlled_territory

I said nothing about what ISIS does or made any value judgments bhut simply that it is a way of life as an alternative to existing regional dynamics . It is an Idea a ,perhaps a bad idea as you seem to think, and a good idea as they seem to think, but still an idea. and  can only be eradicated by a better idea.

[stephenterry]

3 minutes ago, rabas said:

Although it's good to see Trump spreading positive feelings about religion among so many, ISIL is not as you suggest.  According to the UN, the actions of ISIL (Daesh) cannot and should not be associated with any religion, nationality or civilization.

 

ISIL is considered to have the worst record of human atrocities in all of modern history. They used death threats, torture and mutilation to compel conversion to Islam, and are responsible for the ethnic cleansing of ethnic and religious minority groups on a "historic scale". 

 

They routinely dominated captured peoples through terror, indoctrination, torture, mutilation, sexual violence. They are also guilty of killing children as young as 12 by using them in fighting, trading women and girls as sex slaves  , rape, selling women at markets, burning people to death, the international distribution of snuff videos, and it just goes on and on.

 

Don't think they were providing solace.

 

Background:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_ISIL-controlled_territoryhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_ISIL-controlled_territory

Agreed. However, what I find disturbing is Trump's media 'gloating' which is typical of American behavioral habits which 'invokes' retribution from terrorists, especially ISIL 

 

Mark my words, the backlash from ISIL towards the US will be monumental. 

[metisdead]

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[stevenl]

7 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Two good things came out about Trump during his press conference.

 

1. He oversaw the operation to take out the most evil man in the Middle East.

 

2. His honesty. Had no compunctions about admitting that it's all about the oil. He isn't withdrawing all troups from Syrtia, he's leaving a contingent to guard the Syrian oilfields as he now claims that they belong to the US and that the US will make many billions from the oil. Went on at length to justify that claim.

 

It formed a major part of the press conference, Trump continually returned to it, yet not mentioned in the OP or anywhere in this thread.

 

At last an American president has admitted that the US involvement in the Middle East and the deaths of thousands of US troups are all about the oil.

According to a timeline posted earlier he oversaw the operation not even on TV but from the golf course.

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

According to a timeline posted earlier he oversaw the operation not even on TV but from the golf course.

 I originally posted that comment with tongue in cheek.

 

Interesting that no one's gone anywhere near my main comment that Trump admitted, nay bragged, that it was all about seizing the Syrian/kurdish oilfields for US/US oil companies to exploit.

[ThaiFelix]

12 hours ago, wgdanson said:

I heard on BBC News that there was an 'instant test' which confirmed this dead guy's identity.

Is there an instant method of testing DNA as I read that 24 - 72 hours in a lab is the quickest.

Instant tests are confined to US propaganda only.  But I am not sure if they performed instant tests all of the other times they claimed to have taken him out.  I also imagine, like in Bin Laden's case, there wont be a body to prove he's dead,  The two of them are probably soaking up the sun on some tropical beach enjoying life on the pensions they receive as reward for the hard work they have performed for the US over the years.

 

[samran]

13 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Good move keeping the raid secret by not telling Pelosi beforehand.

Indeed, though he has no problem briefing the Russians before hand. So much for ‘America first’. 

[Crazy Alex]

It's always a good thing when a terrorist is killed. But for some, TDS always reigns.

[rabas]

23 minutes ago, stevenl said:

According to a timeline posted earlier he oversaw the operation not even on TV but from the golf course.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/isis-chief-baghdadi-dead-us-timeline-operation-details-1613291-2019-10-28

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-baghdadi-raid-timeline/timeline-anatomy-of-a-raid-how-the-united-states-took-out-baghdadi-idUSKBN1X60P8

 

Correct time line. At around 5 pm, he gathered in the White House Situation Room with Vice President Mike Pence, Defence Secretary Mark Esper, national security adviser Robert O'Brien, and other intelligence officials. They watched the raid unfold live "as if you were watching a movie," said Trump.

Edited October 28, 2019 by rabas

[Crazy Alex]

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/isis-chief-baghdadi-dead-us-timeline-operation-details-1613291-2019-10-28

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-baghdadi-raid-timeline/timeline-anatomy-of-a-raid-how-the-united-states-took-out-baghdadi-idUSKBN1X60P8

 

Correct time line. At around 5 pm, he gathered in the White House Situation Room with Vice President Mike Pence, Defence Secretary Mark Esper, national security adviser Robert O'Brien, and other intelligence officials. They watched the raid unfold live "as if you were watching a movie," said Trump.

Maybe there is an expectation Trump should have been in the Situation Room as the troops were packing their socks and toothbrushes?

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Maybe there is an expectation Trump should have been in the Situation Room as the troops were packing their socks and toothbrushes?

Yes as expected the commander in chief should know about the preparation so before he gives a green light he is fully appraised. 

 

Just because its normal to know all you need when making a decision. Not having your mind on a missed 3ft putt.

[Jingthing]

My take on this:

 

Baghdadi deserved this.

 

The women and children with him didn't but that's on Baghdadi. 

 

45 deserves some credit as he is the acting commander in chief.

 

45 made a big thing before that Obama deserved no credit for killing Bin Laden.

 

That was wrong and hypocritical as 45 is now clearly expecting full credit for Baghdadi.

 

BOTH deserved some credit.

 

45's speech was vulgar, bullying, and a thing of deep shame to all decent American people. 

 

There is ZERO percent chance that 45's speech didn't contain numerous lies about details but for now I do believe that Baghdadi is toast.

 

This "win" for 45 does not cancel out his disgusting act of throwing the Kurds under the bus.

 

This "win" for 45 does not mean the impeachment investigation should be stopped as they are unrelated.

 

It was disgusting that 45 didn't contact the gang of 8 in congress before the attack. But he did contact Russia. This is a president that has called his opponents in his own party human scum. Charging those select people with leaking such a sensitive national security operation is obviously false and inflammatory. That's what he does -- divide, divide, divide. He regards foreign dictators much higher than fellow Americans.

 

To add, he obviously massively exaggerated the impact of this raid. Isis is not over. He did not save the world. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2019 by Jingthing

[Crazy Alex]

10 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Yes as expected the commander in chief should know about the preparation so before he gives a green light he is fully appraised. 

 

Just because its normal to know all you need when making a decision. Not having your mind on a missed 3ft putt.

Many if not most leaders delegate such things.

[Crazy Alex]

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

My take on this:

 

Baghdadi deserved this.

 

The women and children with him didn't but that's on him. 

 

45 deserves some credit as he is the acting commander in chief.

 

45 made a big thing before that Obama deserved no credit for killing Bin Laden.

 

That was wrong and hypocritical as 45 is now clearly expecting full credit for Baghdadi.

 

BOTH deserved some credit.

 

45's speech was vulgar, bullying, and a thing of deep shame to all decent American people. 

 

There is ZERO percent chance that 45's speech didn't contain numerous lies about details but for now I

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I gotta agree. Let's keep things real. I fully expect a president to give the order to kill terrorists. And the credit is as follow: it's good the president gave the order and the troops that carried it out are bad ass <deleted>ers that deserve a round of applause. As for the collateral damage, I'm we do what we can to minimize it.

[rabas]

21 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Yes as expected the commander in chief should know about the preparation so before he gives a green light he is fully appraised. 

 

Just because its normal to know all you need when making a decision. Not having your mind on a missed 3ft putt.

As it really happened, time line by the Associated Press. A good read, for  most.

 

-- Events developed quickly once the White House learned on Thursday there was “a high probability” that al-Baghdadi would be at an Idlib province compound.

-- By Friday, Trump had military options on his desk.

-- By Saturday morning, the administration at last had “actionable intelligence” it could exploit.

 

https://apnews.com/89e8716887514b95af5fea38d604ee30

Edited October 28, 2019 by rabas

[Cryingdick]

Trump gets a good victory and calls some terrorist scum a cowardly dog. The left gets offended by this. 

 

Anyway seeing the left start crying and whining and spewing their outrage is a sure sign something went right. 

 

Also the posts saying his remarks are going to lead to retaliation are absolutely moronic. Like they weren't already trying to kill us. Hopefully they get angry and stick their necks out so we can kill some more of them. 

 

It does seem that a few people can not stop from letting their blind hatred of Trump blocking them from seeing good news in anything. 

 

Also a big LOL at people wondering why Trump didn't inform the "gang of 8" I can not think of one single positive that could have come out of saying anything to them.

 

 

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, Cryingdick said:

Trump gets a good victory and calls some terrorist scum a cowardly dog. The left gets offended by this. 

 

Anyway seeing the left start crying and whining and spewing their outrage is a sure sign something went right. 

 

Also the posts saying his remarks are going to lead to retaliation are absolutely moronic. Like they weren't already trying to kill us. Hopefully they get angry and stick their necks out so we can kill some more of them. 

 

It does seem that a few people can not stop from letting their blind hatred of Trump blocking them from seeing good news in anything. 

 

Also a big LOL at people wondering why Trump didn't inform the "gang of 8" I can not think of one single positive that could have come out of saying anything to them.

 

 

 

 

It does seem very odd. Anti-Trump people are livid that Trump got us out of Syria, citing ISIS as a huge reason to stay there. Logic would dictate they would be extremely happy Trump gave the order to kill Baghadi, resulting in a successful operation. But they're still not happy.

 

I'm happy we're out of Syria. I'm happy Baghdadi is dead.

[ricklev]

13 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Nice to see the Trump haters struggling to say something negative, if he brought world peace and ended poverty some would still moan and whine. He's not a very nice person but is a great President and that's all you need him to be.

I need the president of my country to be a very nice person.