7 hours ago, Becker said:

You forgot to mention that CNN and MSNBC get a "mostly factual" rating wrt factual reporting while Fox only get a "Mixed" rating.

Mostly factual  Good one.

 

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Through his designated agents and on false grounds, he coerced another nation into undermining the candidacy of a potentially powerful political opponent. That's what.

If Biden’s done nothing wrong, a full investigation could do nothing but help him, yes? 

33 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Is this a typical republic attitude that 'socialist' is evil? 

Yes because it is evil.

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

If Biden’s done nothing wrong, a full investigation could do nothing but help him, yes? 

What gives you that impression!

https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-ukraine-scandal-timeline-democrats-and-their-media-allies-dont-want-america-to-see/

 

 

1 hour ago, riclag said:

What gives you that impression!

https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-ukraine-scandal-timeline-democrats-and-their-media-allies-dont-want-america-to-see/

 

 

Solomon report. Lol

It does not even mention that there had been an FBI investigation into Manafort since 2014. Official investigation= no conspiracy.

2 hours ago, riclag said:

What gives you that impression!

https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-ukraine-scandal-timeline-democrats-and-their-media-allies-dont-want-america-to-see/

 

 

I just checked it again, it's ridiculously innacurate.

Example

From Solomon

"Aug. 20, 2014

Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin’s office opens criminal investigation of Burisma Holdings and Mykola Zlochevsky for alleged corrupt award of gas exploration permits and eventual looting of company, according to Ukrainian prosecutor general’s case file."

Schokin was named general prosecutor in 2015, lol.

 

Quote from the unbiased timeline linked below:

Early February 2015 — U.S. administration conveys harsh criticism of prosecutor general office for its coverup of Zlochevsky/Burisma.

....Kent, who had long pushed Ukrainian prosecutors for investigations into Zlochevsky, “scolded” the deputy prosecutor for having “shut the criminal case” that had been the basis for a U.K. court freezing Zlochevsky’s assets, demanding, “Who took the bribe and how much was it?,” Kent asked.......

Feb. 10, 2015  – Viktor Shokin takes office as Ukraine’s prosecutor general, replacing Yarema.

Sept. 24, 2015 – U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt excoriates officials in the Prosecutor General’s Office for stymying anti-corruption investigations, including those involving Burisma.....Pyatt specifically called for the investigation and removal of officials who were involved in the failure to help the British authorities investigate Zlochevskiy.....

Etc.....

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

 

 

 

Hey will they let Joe Biden use the cache of emails just found that try to justify withholding aid to Ukraine lol you just can’t make this stuff up what a bunch of bumbling clowns thease republicans are kinda like the keystone cops lol

7 hours ago, riclag said:

What gives you that impression!

https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-ukraine-scandal-timeline-democrats-and-their-media-allies-dont-want-america-to-see/

 

 

This article is typical for John Solomon. Lots of incidents listed but no actual connections drawn. You wouldn't know from this that Victor Shokin, the fired prosecutor, actually went after other prosecutors who were investigation other prosecutors in his department after it was discovered that they had mysteriously acquired large quantities of jewels and gold. 

Or that he failed to prosecute any corrupt oligarchs during his tenure.

Or that it was confirmed from multiple sources that he had stopped looking into Burisma over a year before he was fired.

And as for Solomon himself. He confirmed Lev Parnas' statements that he met regularly with a group consisting of Giuliani, Parnas, Toensing and Digenova at the BLT restaurant in Trump's Washington hotel. He claimed he was there only as a reporter. That sounds believable. We have yet to see any reports on those meetings. Oddly reticent for a reporter. Or that he even identified these partisans as the ultimate sources or instigators of most of his stories on the Ukraine.

 

 

7 hours ago, riclag said:

What gives you that impression!

 

What impression? 

9 hours ago, mogandave said:

If Biden’s done nothing wrong, a full investigation could do nothing but help him, yes? 

If an investigation warranted, that's what the Department of Justice is for.

10 hours ago, mogandave said:

If Biden’s done nothing wrong, a full investigation could do nothing but help him, yes? 

A full investigation or any investigation of political opponents pushed by Trump and for his personal agenda is a farce and fake as his conspiracy theories. 

A post containing a troll baiting comment has been removed. 

12 hours ago, chokrai said:

Yes because it is evil.

No it's not, far from it. Are you confusing old style communism with socialism?

 

They aren't the same thing, not at all, and in any case old style communism has gone.

 

Would you call Australia, the UK, many Scandinavian counties, all of whom have some form / aspects of socialism (mainly health care) evil?

 

In your view I guess Australia, the UK, many Scandinavian counties are evil.

14 hours ago, chokrai said:

Mostly factual  Good one.

 

Thank you. I think you agree since you can't come up with anything that disproves that assertion besides that lame reply.

14 hours ago, mogandave said:

If Biden’s done nothing wrong, a full investigation could do nothing but help him, yes? 

Investigation of what, he’s done nothing wrong.

 

Even Trump only wanted the Ukrainians to announce an investigation.

 

There is no crime to investigate.

8 hours ago, scorecard said:

No it's not, far from it. Are you confusing old style communism with socialism?

 

They aren't the same thing, not at all, and in any case old style communism has gone.

 

Would you call Australia, the UK, many Scandinavian counties, all of whom have some form / aspects of socialism (mainly health care) evil?

 

In your view I guess Australia, the UK, many Scandinavian counties are evil.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/denmark-not-socialist_b_9011652.html

 

My father despised the socialism of Denmark so much that he took his family to America in 1950's.

13 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/denmark-not-socialist_b_9011652.html

 

My father despised the socialism of Denmark so much that he took his family to America in 1950's.

And the relevance is?

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Investigation of what, he’s done nothing wrong.

 

Even Trump only wanted the Ukrainians to announce an investigation.

 

There is no crime to investigate.

There does not need to be an underlying crime for him to be guilty of obstruction, right? 
 

“Nothing to fear, nothing to hide”

21 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/denmark-not-socialist_b_9011652.html

 

My father despised the socialism of Denmark so much that he took his family to America in 1950's.

Denmark ranked #3 in world Happiness Index in 2019

Denmarked ranked #4 in ease of doing business by World Bank for 2020.

 

12 minutes ago, Becker said:

And the relevance is?

Didn't realize you need to be fed info with a spoon.

7 minutes ago, mogandave said:

There does not need to be an underlying crime for him to be guilty of obstruction, right? 
 

“Nothing to fear, nothing to hide”

Obstruction of what?

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

Didn't realize you need to be fed info with a spoon.

That's a lame way of not answering.

7 minutes ago, mogandave said:

There does not need to be an underlying crime for him to be guilty of obstruction, right? 
 

“Nothing to fear, nothing to hide”

As the founding fathers noted, there doesn't have to be statutory criminal activity at all for a President to be impeached.  The Constitution gives very wide latitude to the House to decide what is impeachable.

7 minutes ago, candide said:

Obstruction of what?

Justice 

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

As the founding fathers noted, there doesn't have to be statutory criminal activity at all for a President to be impeached.  The Constitution gives very wide latitude to the House to decide what is impeachable.

Exactly.

23 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Denmark ranked #3 in world Happiness Index in 2019

Denmarked ranked #4 in ease of doing business by World Bank for 2020.

 

You know, we had these discussions at home years back about how life would have been had we stayed in Denmark. Life would have been easier for my father in Denmark. I still don't believe a full blown socialist gov would work in the US.

How about Joe Biden promises to waive Executive privilege and testify, provided all the Trump people currently claiming Executive privilege do the same?

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You know, we had these discussions at home years back about how life would have been had we stayed in Denmark. Life would have been easier for my father in Denmark. I still don't believe a full blown socialist gov would work in the US.

Care to give examples of full blown socialist western countries?

 

Is anybody suggesting the US should be a full blown socialist country?

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You know, we had these discussions at home years back about how life would have been had we stayed in Denmark. Life would have been easier for my father in Denmark. I still don't believe a full blown socialist gov would work in the US.

So you concede there are degrees of socialism?  Good.  I assume you also agree that Social Security, Medicare, public schools etc. are also socialist.

 

Clearly the discussion is not about all-or-nothing discussion, but the correct degree of socialism.  So let's limit the socialism discussion to that.

2 hours ago, mogandave said:

Justice 

In which investigation?