Trump at brink of impeachment as U.S. House committee approves charges

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, HuskerDo said:

You know Heybruce we all have different opinions and that's very obvious. In a year we'll know whose opinions were "more" right. None of us is 100% correct on everything. It'll work out as it will.

No, we won’t “know” who’s right a year from now, as the anti-Trump  crowd is already being primed for a defeat, and the defeat will be blamed on Trump and the evil Republicans.
 

As with the Mueller debacle, but for the collusion between the Whitehouse and the Senate all the claims made by the feckless left would have been proven. 

[spidermike007]

On 12/16/2019 at 1:43 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Clever enough to become president.

Deception can be a very powerful tool, when left in the hands of a man completely lacking in morals, ethics, principals, or honor. 

[Jingthing]

Another very famous voice (Laurence Tribe) for impeaching  and holding on to sending it to the senate.

 

If that happens this really will be a first.

The third president to be impeached. 

Never a president ever removed.

But that  would be a first impeachment without sending it  to trial because it's known the trial will be illegitimate.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dont-let-mitch-mcconnell-conduct-a-potemkin-impeachment-trial/2019/12/16/71a81b30-202f-11ea-a153-dce4b94e4249_story.html

 

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Don’t let Mitch McConnell conduct a Potemkin impeachment trial

 

 

For some time now, I have been emphasizing the duty to impeach this president for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress regardless of what the Senate might end up doing.

Now that President Trump’s impeachment is inevitable, and now that failing to formally impeach him would invite foreign intervention in the 2020 election and set a dangerous precedent, another option seems vital to consider: voting for articles of impeachment but holding off for the time being on transmitting them to the Senate.

 

This option needs to be taken seriously now that Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has announced his intention to conduct not a real trial but a whitewash, letting the president and his legal team call the shots.

 

 

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, HuskerDo said:

No, it's different. Pelosi stated there was bribery. Bribery could have been an additional charge but it never happened and they couldn't prove there was any bribery so they tucked their tails between their legs and scampered off to wherever they scamper off to when someone smacks their nose with a wet newspaper for being bad. 

" But one person familiar with the strategy said “abuse of power” when it comes to Ukraine is the “big point that Pelosi has been hammering home” and the umbrella under which “this all fits to connect it and help the public understand.” "  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/house-democrats-zero-abuse-power-trump-impeachment-inquiry-n1069431

[Becker]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I was outraged when Bush Jr. lied to us about the fake war in Iraq. And I was equally outraged when Clinton revealed to us how much of a pathological liar he is. Likewise, I was outraged when Obama abandoned most of his core campaign promises, once in office. And you? Please tell us about your non-partisan outrage. 

Whatever you do, do not hold your breath while waiting for an answer!

[Okis]

It's just political tantrums.  It will result in absolutely nothing in the end, the senate will vote it down as it always does and everyone involved knows that. 

 

The impeachment is just a statement/tantrum. 

 

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, Okis said:

It's just political tantrums.  It will result in absolutely nothing in the end, the senate will vote it down as it always does and everyone involved knows that. 

 

The impeachment is just a statement/tantrum. 

 

On a personal front, he was humiliated. On the national front, the general voting public is more aware of his abuse of power. The senate stonewall is expected but the negative information resulting from the impeachment will resonate much longer to the election. 

[Brigand]

All a waste of time by the petty Dems as the Senate has already said "Dream on morons" basically. They (Dems) would be better off spending their energy on formulating better mainstream policies to help the average American so that they can win an election that is coming. Instead, their obsession and pettiness with the 'hate Trump drum banging' that has gone on for almost 4 years will be their undoing. Pelosi needs to go along with a few others.

Edited December 18, 2019 by Brigand

[HuskerDo]

8 hours ago, heybruce said:

" But one person familiar with the strategy said “abuse of power” when it comes to Ukraine is the “big point that Pelosi has been hammering home” and the umbrella under which “this all fits to connect it and help the public understand.” "  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/house-democrats-zero-abuse-power-trump-impeachment-inquiry-n1069431

"and help the public understand.”.... understand what? The Dems point of view? No one can understand that?

[HuskerDo]

8 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

On a personal front, he was humiliated. On the national front, the general voting public is more aware of his abuse of power. The senate stonewall is expected but the negative information resulting from the impeachment will resonate much longer to the election. 

"On the national front, the general voting public is more aware of his abuse of power"...… and yet he'll be re-elected. Quite a conundrum for the Dems.

[Sujo]

24 minutes ago, Brigand said:

All a waste of time by the petty Dems as the Senate has already said "Dream on morons" basically. They (Dems) would be better off spending their energy on formulating better mainstream policies to help the average American so that they can win an election that is coming. Instead, their obsession and pettiness with the 'hate Trump drum banging' that has gone on for almost 4 years will be their undoing. Pelosi needs to go along with a few others.

You do undersrand dems are doing their cinstitutional duty to do this dont you? Or would you rather no laws be followed.

 

Rhetorical question.

 

For trump supporters that means the question does not need an answer.

[HuskerDo]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

More like some americans are dumb enough to elect him. I mean gwb was voted in twice. Doesnt say much for US intellect.

and there was another president between those two that was elected twice. Many questioned the intellect of voters when that happened.  What was his name?

[HuskerDo]

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Deception can be a very powerful tool, when left in the hands of a man completely lacking in morals, ethics, principals, or honor. 

Are you referring to the husband of the Dem candidate that Trump beat in the last election?

Edited December 18, 2019 by HuskerDo

[riclag]

37 minutes ago, Brigand said:

All a waste of time by the petty Dems as the Senate has already said "Dream on morons" basically. They (Dems) would be better off spending their energy on formulating better mainstream policies to help the average American so that they can win an election that is coming. Instead, their obsession and pettiness with the 'hate Trump drum banging' that has gone on for almost 4 years will be their undoing. Pelosi needs to go along with a few others.

Agree, Mr. Trump will be remembered as the second impeached President to get re-elected, far better than the 3rd POTUS to get impeached. Unfortunately for Americans the dems have a   obsession to get rid of the best economic POTUS the world has ever seen . Thank god for  Madison and Hamilton to create the senate to watch over a hateful radical out of control peoples house,in this case the house dems

Edited December 18, 2019 by riclag

[HuskerDo]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No issue at all for dems. They did their constitutional duty. If people are so dumb to still vote for him thats ok.

"to still vote for him thats ok.".... hey thanks Sujo. You're coming around. Good to see. 

[phetchy]

Like it or not, Trump knows he can probably ride out the storm. Almost a perfect storm, but I think he is so thick skinned that he knows that the senate will save his ar*e. Tragic as it is, the possibility of removal from office is too big an adverse outcome for him to consider resignation. 

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, phetchy said:

Like it or not, Trump knows he can probably ride out the storm. Almost a perfect storm, but I think he is so thick skinned that he knows that the senate will save his ar*e. Tragic as it is, the possibility of removal from office is too big an adverse outcome for him to consider resignation. 

Why consider resignation!   There was no evidence that he committed any wrong doing. Accusations, presumptions and opinions by dem witnesses  

[Crazy Alex]

You gotta love Democrats. They've been all over the map. First it was collusion with Russian. Then came obstruction. The Mueller report was a disaster, despite the collusion and obstruction babbling. Then came the DNC leaker whistleblower. Democrats evolved to quid pro quo. That wasn't working, so they changed it to bribery. That was left out of the impeachment scam. The Supreme Court has rendered one of the articles moot. Support for impeachment is on a steady decline.

 

Impeachment has been a disaster for Democrats.

 

The only question is, should Republicans just make the scam go away? Or should there be a full trial with lots of witnesses, including Joe Biden, his crack head son (who'll flip for an eight ball and a half hour with a hooker), the DNC leaker, Adam Schiff and the other miscreants?

[Crazy Alex]

16 minutes ago, phetchy said:

Like it or not, Trump knows he can probably ride out the storm. Almost a perfect storm, but I think he is so thick skinned that he knows that the senate will save his ar*e. Tragic as it is, the possibility of removal from office is too big an adverse outcome for him to consider resignation. 

More like a perfect disaster- for Democrats. Support for impeachment among DEMOCRATS has dropped by THIRTEEN POINTS. Ouch! LOL

[Crazy Alex]

27 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No issue at all for dems. They did their constitutional duty. If people are so dumb to still vote for him thats ok.

So it was their Constitutional duty to let Trump go on bribing Zelensky and 10 instances of obstruction of justice?

[HuskerDo]

2 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

You gotta love Democrats. They've been all over the map. First it was collusion with Russian. Then came obstruction. The Mueller report was a disaster, despite the collusion and obstruction babbling. Then came the DNC leaker whistleblower. Democrats evolved to quid pro quo. That wasn't working, so they changed it to bribery. That was left out of the impeachment scam. The Supreme Court has rendered one of the articles moot. Support for impeachment is on a steady decline.

 

Impeachment has been a disaster for Democrats.

 

The only question is, should Republicans just make the scam go away? Or should there be a full trial with lots of witnesses, including Joe Biden, his crack head son (who'll flip for an eight ball and a half hour with a hooker), the DNC leaker, Adam Schiff and the other miscreants?

"Ya gotta love Democrats"...... I most certainly do not!! ???? 

[Crazy Alex]

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Deception can be a very powerful tool, when left in the hands of a man completely lacking in morals, ethics, principals, or honor. 

I presume you are talking about Adam Schiff, given we're talking about the impeachment process.

[Crazy Alex]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Another very famous voice (Laurence Tribe) for impeaching  and holding on to sending it to the senate.

 

If that happens this really will be a first.

The third president to be impeached. 

Never a president ever removed.

But that  would be a first impeachment without sending it  to trial because it's known the trial will be illegitimate.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dont-let-mitch-mcconnell-conduct-a-potemkin-impeachment-trial/2019/12/16/71a81b30-202f-11ea-a153-dce4b94e4249_story.html

 

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I am confident the Republicans in the Senate will be every bit as fair as the Democrats in the House. That seems fair to me.

[Jingthing]

Impeachment Day.

 

 

[champers]

Nancy Pelosi has thrown a sickie. No impeachment on her watch.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, champers said:

Nancy Pelosi has thrown a sickie. No impeachment on her watch.

What does that mean?

[phetchy]

Be interesting to see if Ms Yovanovitch's testimony is considered.  Enough of this - if I wake up tomorrow to find that a certain Mr H. J. Simpson (Nuclear Safety Inspector) has assumed control of the Doomsday Button, I'll sleep well.

[JHolmesJr]

Trump shouldn't even bother with this fake impeachment.

100% partisan.

The other side has failed to bring any substantive evidence to the table...just bias, rumours, hearsay and

criminal negligence (to be proved).

History will record this as the day when Democrats acted out of spite rather than reason.

Take your impeachment and go choke on it.

[Kelsall]

Hopefully the Senate will take about 15 minutes to <deleted>can this thing.

[rabas]

Deniability is in high demand. Yesterday Comey came out critical of FBI's FISA court application process. Today Brennan (!) and the FISA court's own chief justice is today demanding answers. https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/fisa-court-fbi-michael-horowitz/2019/12/17/id/946346/ 

They want their opinions on record before the vote. Horowitz could not come out stronger than he did for fear of loosing the FISA court.  US attorney Durham is up next. Unfortunately, when the witching hour arrives and Democrats cast their vote, the evil deed will be done.