South Korean woman tests positive for coronavirus after Thailand visit

[monkfish]

50 minutes ago, yokat said:

Thailand is really becoming the new hub, two suspected cases in Bulgaria coming back from holidays in Thailand:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bnt.bg%2Fbg%2Fa%2Ftrima-dushi-ss-smneniya-za-koronavirus-v-khaskovo

Yes it appears to be true they are waiting for the results still though.
http://news.bnt.bg/bg/a/trima-dushi-ss-smneniya-za-koronavirus-v-khaskovo
Could it be that more people become affected from Thailand than are infected in Thailand?
After all most tourists don't stay more than 2 weeks.

Edited February 4, 2020 by monkfish

[sameasb4]

32 minutes ago, keithkarmann said:

Not to our village as nobody visits here, so we are safe.

Any reported infections don't give locations, to do would create panic in those areas.

[lust]

6 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

In looking at some Korea news sources just now, I see that the South Korean government also as of today/Tuesday has enacted an entry ban on anyone who's been to Wuhan or Hubei province in the prior 14 days.

 

Should add Thailand to the list. 

[monkfish]

33 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

A few more people with the virus after a stay in Thailand, and it's the flights to Thailand that will be suspended.....the Thai authorities better wake up and ban all movement between China and it's inhabitants. And that would leave enough for the others at the breakfast buffets in the Thai hotels.

Couldn't agree more they could have held onto their European tourists now they will lose them all

I read on Twitter many are considering canceling their holidays in Thailand.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

59 minutes ago, yokat said:

Thailand is really becoming the new hub, two suspected cases in Bulgaria coming back from holidays in Thailand:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bnt.bg%2Fbg%2Fa%2Ftrima-dushi-ss-smneniya-za-koronavirus-v-khaskovo

 

Think of it as a nice souvenir of their Thailand vacation!  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, yokat said:

Thailand is really becoming the new hub, two suspected cases in Bulgaria coming back from holidays in Thailand:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bnt.bg%2Fbg%2Fa%2Ftrima-dushi-ss-smneniya-za-koronavirus-v-khaskovo

 

Here's an easier to read version of that.... And it appears it's only suspected at this point, not confirmed by lab results:

 

https://www.mbs.news/a/2020/02/three-were-hospitalized-in-haskovo-hospital-for-suspected-coronavirus.html

 

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Three patients with coronavirus symptoms are admitted to the Infectious Diseases Unit of the Haskovo Hospital, bTV reports.

The patients have recently returned from abroad. Because of the risk of carrying the virus, they are currently isolated until the diagnosis is rejected.
 

Two of the patients are from a Haskovo family who were on vacation in Thailand. When they returned last week, they had a fever, which is why their GP referred them to the hospital, where they were admitted last Thursday. At present, their condition is good.

 

 

 

Edited February 4, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[GroveHillWanderer]

53 minutes ago, yokat said:

Thailand is really becoming the new hub, two suspected cases in Bulgaria coming back from holidays in Thailand:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bnt.bg%2Fbg%2Fa%2Ftrima-dushi-ss-smneniya-za-koronavirus-v-khaskovo

They're only suspected cases, not confirmed and according to the article, all they have are a slightly raised temperature and slight fatigue. They have no coughing, no severe symptoms of pulmonary infection and the only reason they're quarantining them is because of where they've been.

 

They're also detaining a third person who'd been to Sri Lanka, where there's only been 1 case so far so it does look like a bit like an over-abundance of caution.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

18 minutes ago, lust said:

Should add Thailand to the list. 

 

You kind of have to wonder, if things continue expanding as they have been, who's going to be the first country to place Thailand on their no fly/no entry list?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Meanwhile, according to the WHO dashboard status site for the coronavirus, Cambodia has somehow ended up reporting ONE confirmed case... despite Hun Sen's insistence that the virus doesn't matter for Cambodia.

 

 

If that report came from some Cambodian public health official, I don't think I would want to be that guy or woman right about now.... And I'd be sleeping at night with one eye open!!!

 

http://who.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/c88e37cfc43b4ed3baf977d77e4a0667

 

 

Edited February 4, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Traubert]

5 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Lots of reports of sick people being turned away from overflowing hospitals in the China impact areas, and having to go home and sometimes dying there. Along with, reports of some sick people simply being locked in their homes by the authorities.

 

Those and others, never will make it onto the coronavirus official government stats coming from China.

 

That is simply untrue. They flew in 6000 military medical staff a week ago and there are Community Health teams out there screening residents in their homes. The new 1000 bed hospital started taking patients this morning, the other one will start next week. Why do you think in an area holding 50 million people there isn't room for 20k hospital patients?

 

I note you have set yourself up as the board expert on this virus but please dont start re-writing the news on it as well.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 minutes ago, Traubert said:

That is simply untrue. They flew in 6000 military medical staff a week ago and there are Community Health teams out there screening residents in their homes. The new 1000 bed hospital started taking patients this morning, the other one will start next week. Why do you think in an area holding 50 million people there isn't room for 20k hospital patients?

 

I note you have set yourself up as the board expert on this virus but please dont start re-writing the news on it as well.

 

The info I relayed was quoted in the NY Times the other day. They interviewed people who had been turned away from the new hospital as the reporter watched. And the article said the only way people are getting into the new hospital(s) is if they're referred from one of the regular hospitals there -- which themselves are already turning away many would-be patients.

 

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Coronavirus Pummels Wuhan, a City Short of Supplies and Overwhelmed

It is nearly impossible to get the care they need to treat, or even diagnose, the coronavirus, say residents at the crisis’ center.

Published Feb. 2, 2020
 

Weak with fever, An Jianhua waited in line for seven hours outside the hospital in the cold, hoping to get tested for the new coronavirus, which doctors suspected she had contracted.

Ms. An, 67, needed an official diagnosis from a hospital to qualify for treatment, but the one she and her son raced to last week had no space, even to test her. The next hospital they were referred to here in Wuhan, the city of 11 million people at the center of the outbreak, was full, too, they said. They finally got an intravenous drip for Ms. An’s fever, but that was all.

 

 

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“The situation that we’ve seen is much worse than what has been officially reported,” Long Jian, 32, said outside a hospital where his elderly father was being treated. Mr. Long said his father had to go to six hospitals and wait seven days before he could even be tested for the coronavirus.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/world/asia/china-coronavirus-wuhan.html

 

Edited February 4, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[metisdead]

Some troll posts and the replies have been removed.

 

A post containing a link to Bangkok Post has been removed as per forum rules. 

[Traubert]

5 hours ago, SkyFax said:

I will presume they assume most will infer that there is some advanced pneumonia such as from NY Times for Philippines:

 

The man, whose name was not released, was a resident of Wuhan, China, the center of the outbreak. He died on Saturday after developing what officials called "severe pneumonia." (Their quotes)

 

I would also presume a "severe"case" is one where the believe the patient has a good chance not to survive. It's in the report but  you can ignore it if you so choose.

 

 

That patient was admitted to hospital with Influenza B and Stephalococcus Pneumoniae (sp) and developed Corona virus in hospital, so I read in Coconuts HK this morning. It was just below the article on the HK fatality who also had underlying medical issues.

 

He was casino hopping in the Phils so it doesn't look like a healthy life style anyway.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

21 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

And the article said the only way people are getting into the new hospital(s) is if they're referred from one of the regular hospitals there -- which themselves are already turning away many would-be patients.

 

 And further from a separate NYT article by the same reporter who saw the family below turned away from the new hospital, not even allowed past the outside checkpoint gates:

 

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Xue Ying, a resident of Wuhan, had driven to the new hospital hoping to find help for his increasingly unwell cousin. But city officials and signs on checkpoints have said the hospital would not accept walk-ins. Admission was only for patients with officially confirmed coronavirus infections who were transferred from other facilities.
...
 

Mr. Xue, the resident who had driven to the hospital, said his mother had recently died of what the hospital called “viral pneumonia,” and though she was never tested, he believed that she had the coronavirus. He said his aunt and uncle were also in a hospital.

“I can’t afford to lose anyone else,” he said, sitting dejectedly in the car with his cousin, who was unwell.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/03/world/asia/coronavirus-wuhan-hospital.html

[sirineou]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

the woman could have contracted the virus in Thailand

Or on the plane or at the airport in Korea, or in China. 

9 hours ago, webfact said:

The statement did not explicitly rule out a visit to China by the patient

 

[Traubert]

3 hours ago, khunpa said:

This is not about death rates and comparisons to flu etc. It is about the possibilities of health care systems breaking now. You have a real example going on right now. It is called Wuhan.

 

This virus makes lots of people sick very fast. It is only 2 months old and have spread very far and fast. The people getting sick require hospital beds. Now start to think about what happens when they run out. Or again... just look at Wuhan.

You still think it is nothing to worry about? If so, please go to Wuhan and tell them to calm down and stop overreacting.

Wuhan just today turned an indoor sports stadium and a conference centre into rehab centres for the recovering patients. Its well in hand over there. They are already calm.

[Traubert]

8 hours ago, smedly said:

I think people should be made aware of her movements 

 

authorities in Thailand should be retracing exactly what she did when and where

Twice daily, once in the hotel before she got on the tour bus and after breakfast and once before dinner back at the hotel again.

 

Stools firm and of natural colour and consistency.

[Traubert]

44 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The info I relayed was quoted in the NY Times the other day. They interviewed people who had been turned away from the new hospital as the reporter watched. And the article said the only way people are getting into the new hospital(s) is if they're referred from one of the regular hospitals there -- which themselves are already turning away many would-be patients.

 

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/world/asia/china-coronavirus-wuhan.html

 

Mate, I hate to pop your bubble but not just anyone can roam freely around the quarantine zone, reporter or not. Foreign reporter definitely not. One family member is allowed out every two days to shop for food at designated shops.

 

Also not just anyone can talk to the foreign press without permission which inevitably isn't given. As a bad pun it's more than life is worth.

 

As I'm constantly reminded I'm in Commie China and the regulations didn't just get lax, far from it.

[ukrules]

9 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Shirely a quick check of her passport would clarify this.Why leave in the ambiguity?

Is the patient conscious, that's the first thing I have to wonder......

[ukrules]

5 hours ago, Arthur Mullard said:

The logistics are mind-boggling - I understand the infected Chinese student in York, had his movements traced back to the flight into the UK, with all on board being contacted, or an attempt contact. We may hear more but one would assume they'd have to be tested after being contacted, thus minimising further spread. But that's the UK ! 

The Thais have all the information they need to track and trace every single one of us via the TM30 submissions.

 

If they don't do this then it's pure negligence.

 

Edit: Negligence is a special category of crime in Thailand, when you're asked if you've ever been 'sentenced to imprisonment' for a crime it often says this :

 

 

 

So negligence is ok.....

 

Edited February 4, 2020 by ukrules

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, lust said:

Should add Thailand to the list. 

Give it a few days

[Traubert]

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 OK, be my guest to tell the NY Times that they were all wrong, and that their reporter who's been filing regular reports in person from Wuhan just dreamed the whole thing up!

 

And while you're at it, swallow another big gulp of the Chinese govt. propaganda you're so well versed in.

 

 

Nearest positive diagnosis to me? 150m. You?

 

I'm here. It's happening round me. And I'm here to tell you that Commie propaganda or not, that NYT stuff is fiction.

 

If in fact he'd tried to start a conversation on the street with someone who'd had difficulties at a hospital, security would have been round him in an instant. He had a translator on the spot? A Chinese? He'd be still swinging by his ankles. That's not propaganda, that's the way it works. Hubei is sewn up tight.

 

If you don't believe that, you might need to think again.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 minutes ago, Traubert said:

If in fact he'd tried to start a conversation on the street with someone who'd had difficulties at a hospital, security would have been round him in an instant. He had a translator on the spot? A Chinese? He'd be still swinging by his ankles. That's not propaganda, that's the way it works. Hubei is sewn up tight.

 

If you don't believe that, you might need to think again.

He??? 

 

As illustrative of your general lack of actual knowledge and awareness, you seem to have missed the fact that the NYT's China correspondent in Chinese ethnicity woman.

 

 

Done with you....

 

 

Edited February 4, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[rabas]

2 minutes ago, Traubert said:

Kansas. Nice...

Every where in the World on that one, 1918. Went around the world 3 times.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just now, Traubert said:

In Beijing. Not Hubei

 She's normally based in Beijing. She's currently, not surprisingly, reporting from Wuhan....

 

[DrTuner]

21 minutes ago, Traubert said:

Nearest positive diagnosis to me? 150m. You?

No bloody idea. In Thailand they roam free. Could be 3m.

 

Ah ok let me change a bit: undiagnosed, because the NIH lab can't get the tests done.

Edited February 4, 2020 by DrTuner

[brianthainess]

9 hours ago, Thechook said:

But Prayuth assured everyone he had it contained and under control.

What his paranoia ?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Further reporting from the EN language Korea Herald indicating the virus-diagnosed South Korean woman who had returned from Thailand had no history of travel to China or explicit China connections:

 

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200204000728

 

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On Tuesday, the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said a 42-year-old woman had been confirmed as having the new strain of coronavirus, pushing Korea’s total up to 16.

The woman, based in Gwangju, is the second confirmed patient in Korea who had no record of visiting China, or of coming into contact with an individual who had visited the country in recent weeks.

She entered Korea on Jan. 19 after traveling to Thailand, and received treatment for fever and other symptoms at a local hospital from Jan. 25. She was placed in isolation Monday and confirmed to be infected with the novel coronavirus on Tuesday.

 

[Kinnock]

As every hotel, restaurant or tourist attraction manager knows - if you choose Chinese tourists then you've excluded the rest of the world's tourists.  Now it seems the same applies to the whole country.

 

Each country finding confirmed cases from visitors to Thailand must be considering a ban on travel to Thailand.

 

Choose your friends wisely.

 

 

[EricTh]

11 hours ago, zydeco said:

Thailand now a sub hub?

Not just Thailand but most countries in East Asia. Chinese tourists top the numbers in these regions.

 

South Koreans have a special privilege of 3 months visa exempt into Thailand.

 

If you want to be absolutely safe, it's better to go back to Europe/North America etc.

Edited February 4, 2020 by EricTh