Britain tells the EU: we shall not sell out our fishermen

[Logosone]

Let us spare a thought for UK Health minister Nadine Dorries who contracted.....coronavirus.

 

Ostensibly at a government event hosted by the Prime Minister.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51827356

 

[TheDark]

Oh my! How the analytical thinkers on this forum who base their writings on data can be so overwhelming to the likes of Brexiteers. 

 

This is fun to watch as well as it's good time to educate one of different points of views. Coming from different parts of the Europe. 

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, transam said:

To give me a contrast to you beguiling of the UK, you obviously come from, or reside in a country that has done everything right, which country is that....?

 

haven'tyou guessed?

 

Its Wonderland, where else.

 

I just checked with Alice, it is just outside Kansas City.

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

18 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Let us spare a thought for UK Health minister Nadine Dorries who contracted.....coronavirus.

 

Ostensibly at a government event hosted by the Prime Minister.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51827356

 

hmm, hosted by PM?

 

sizeable part of the cabinet infected would be smth

 

might spot a possible Brino prolongation here

 

[TheDark]

1 minute ago, melvinmelvin said:

hmm, hosted by PM?

 

sizeable part of the cabinet infected would be smth

 

might spot a possible Brino prolongation here

Well, that's a possibility. Not only because the PM who can't even count how many kids he have, but mostly because the masses of people realise how important international co-operation really is. Especially during the times of global crisis.

 

Will England become Norway or Switzerland of Europe? I don't know, but I find it extremely funny if in the future Scotland will be able to determine how England is ruled, due Scotland being part of the Community of European countries.. while England being out of the deciding table.

 

 

[Matzzon]

On 3/2/2020 at 12:35 PM, snoop1130 said:

Britain will not sell out its fishermen as part of a trade deal with the European Union

But if they get a good price for them?

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

That's right in the UK the last quarter of 2019 was basically flatlining.

 

And it is very hard to see a silver lining of any sort for the UK economy. The oil wars in particular will cost the UK dearly. Oil is more than three times bigger than pharmaceuticals in the UIK. Norway is already bracing for the outfall, but it has a sovereign fund that owns 2%  of the world's shares, the UK has nothing comparable.

 

The UK has an economy depending 80% on services, which will shortly be losing their free access to the EU, unless the UK is willing to compromise on following EU laws. Which it doesn't want to.

 

It left the world's largest market, which was its largest trading partner. And for what? Control of borders? The Brexiters let in anyone from the EU, not much control there.

 

Sovereignty? What can the UK do now it could not do before? 

 

Airbus is switching from Rolls Royce to GE and people are saying it will be a mortal blow to Rolls Royce

 

https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/opinion-can-rolls-royce-survive-its-own

 

Government spending is out of control. And it will have to continue as the economic climate will mean less tax revenue for the UK. And all the family silver is almost sold. What windfalls can the UK look forward to now? Privatisatio proceeds? Spent. Mobile phone licence windfall? Spent. North sea oil bonanaza? Spent.

 

Foreign investment in the UK is way down.

 

There'll be some very tough times ahead for the UK.

 

Most of the oil is in Scotlands territorial waters.

Only thing left to privatise  is the NHS.

But you need to remember THIS is what Brexiteers wanted because they knew what they were voting for. They have told us that many, many times in the past.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Logosone said:

Except that's not the basis for predicting the UK will have major economic difficulties. Rather one need only look at the economy of the UK as a whole. One of the most indebted in the world, giant trade deficit, manufacturing base shrinking every year and now down to 20% of the economy, second largest oil sector in the EU and oil prices set to languish in lower ends for years to come when hundreds of thousands of jobs in the UK depend on the oil and gas sector, 1.7 trillion of assets leaving the city, more yet to leave....

 

I mean these are all facts. It is a question of looking at the UK economy as a whole and its dismal performance as a whole over the long term.

 

When you then add in that the UK and EU are on a path of less co-operation rather than more, less access to EU markets rather than more, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the UK economy will continue its downward slide.

 

We know quite a bit about the dependence of UK fishermen on EU marktes, and also the dependence of many other UK industries on EU markets, prime among them the financial sector.

 

The chances of the UK economy 'prospering' are zero. It's just a question of how bad will the decline be, how fast will it progress.

 

It's kinda childish to close your eyes to reality.

Your reality survives only on your own small world. Have fun in there!

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Logosone said:

 

Boris may well be in office for a long time. Good for him. Not so good for the UK economy.

 

Inevitably the electorate is exhausted now from Brexit politics. However, after Boris has had his run, when it becomes clear that the UK economy is doing worse than whilst in the EU people will hand the Tories the bill for their broken promises. When it becomes clear that Brexit will not ring in a golden age of economic prosperity, but on the contrary a time of even greater economic decline and hardship you can't blame the British electorate for looking to Labour, who will campaign on a platform of re-joining the EU. Because they know half of the electorate wanted to be in Europe at the time of the last Brexit referendum, and  after years of economic decline there will be excellent chance the number of people who want to rejoin outnumber the Brexiters.

 

So Labour will offer the option to rejoin Europe and at some point, eventually, they will get in.

Sounds just like Ian Blackford.

[Logosone]

38 minutes ago, TheDark said:

Will England become Norway or Switzerland of Europe? I don't know, but I find it extremely funny if in the future Scotland will be able to determine how England is ruled, due Scotland being part of the Community of European countries.. while England being out of the deciding table.

 

 

The UK could do a lot worse, outstanding minds in Scotland.

 

Anyway let's think what does the UK have going for it at the moment?

 

Maybe the education sector? Does it still employ 170,000 souls? The education at UK universities will still continue to be world class and desirable. Obviously a lot of European students will re-consider studying in the UK since working there could become a bit of a headache going forward. Still, this is an area where the UK should continue to excel. If the Chinese keep coming maybe it could still continue to contribute to GDP?

 

Someone mentioned privatising the NHS. That would be a gigantic proposition. 1.7 million people work in the NHS. But it's not exactly a cash cow. More the opposite. If it were privatised everything would become more expensive. But there'd be no takers. Trump said he wouldn't touch it with gloves on. Nobody else will either. No, the NHS will not be an economic saviour.

 

Maybe money laundering? According to a Deutsche Bank study published in March 2015, Britain was attracting circa one billion pounds of capital inflows a month not recorded by official statistics, up to 40 percent probably originating from Russia, which implies misreporting by financial institutions, sophisticated tax avoidance, and the UK's "safe-haven" reputation.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom

 

But ever since the sanctions on Russia and the London crackdown on oligarch properties that line of business probably also dried up.

 

Hotels, restaurants and tourism are sure to suffer with the corona virus. Already we saw a UK airline flybe go bankrupt. Maybe with cheap oil tourism will revive? Should be good for airlines. If BA is still alive by then.

 

Maybe pharmaceuticals? Excellent pharmaceutical companies in the UK. But sadly too small. Only employ 67,000 people.

 

The sectors that will really suffer are oil (low oil prices to come), financial services (Exodus from the city underway already), aerospace (Airbus now in talks with GE), agricultuer (no more cheap EU labour).

 

Perhaps the creative industries will save the UK? It is the one success story in the UK. Even if they inflicted the no-talent boy band fat-boy Robbie Williams on us, the UK creative industry also makes world class computer games, excellent tv documentaries, world class advertising, UK fashion also does well surprisingly.

 

Shame that only 180,000 or so people are employed in the creative sector.  But it's still a success story.

[evadgib]

45 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Most of the oil is in Scotlands territorial waters.

Only thing left to privatise  is the NHS.

But you need to remember THIS is what Brexiteers wanted because they knew what they were voting for. They have told us that many, many times in the past.

All of it is in ????????'s waters.

(Lets not have another ???????????????????????????? hi-jacking!)

Edited March 11, 2020 by evadgib

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

Oh yes, I quite agree, the malicious and hypocritical dangling of the EU carrot before Turkish eyes was a total waste of money and time, and very dangerous and counter productive.

 

Thankfully, you the British, are not like the Turks. You are like us, Angles, Saxons, Yutes. Well, maybe a little more violent and hot-headed. Those charming native Picts and Welsh maybe. But your genius is only negligibly below ours, you are, after all, our descendants. We gave you your country and language. So we would no doubt not make you wait as long as as the Turks, and would most likely be serious about integrating you in the European family. Personally I'd put in a good word for you, after all I do appreciate your common sense.

 

Even if you need to be subsidised by the EU taxpayer, we're doing it with Greece, why not with our British cousins?

Yutes! ????

[TheDark]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Sounds just like Ian Blackford.

You mean like Ian Blackford who speaks for Scottish independence from England?

 

The same person, who doesn't want the "English-Ameircan" ownership way of peasanting people to spread to cover Scotland?

 

I'd say to be called as Ian is a merit in this concept. 

 

I'd also say, that's the best the brexiteers can come up to these days. You won the brexit, but you also lost the cause. Poor sad lads.

 

 

[Logosone]

Jutes!

 

Thank you!

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

No, not at all mistakes were also made. However, not in the magnitude and gravity that the UK's leaders have committed them.

 

I mean the UK was the leading economy in the world, first to industrialise, exploiting and robbing dozens of countries's resources at gunpoint, or at the very least having exclusive access to their markets.

 

The UK's share of manufacturing output had risen from 9.5% in 1830 during the Industrial Revolution to 22.9% in the 1870s. It fell to 13.6% by 1913, 10.7% by 1938, 4.9% by 1973 and 2% by 2015.

 

Imagine, to squander an advantage like that? Okay, some part of it was the USA and Germany and Japan and South Korea and India developing and the UK just could not compete. But it wasn't just the competition, even after WWII when the UK was weakened, competition was starting and the colonies got tired and kicked the Brits out and reclaimed their markets and resource, even AFTER that the UK still was in an excellent position.

 

But it wilfully torpedoed its own largest industrial big names, it wasted the 79 million Pound UK privatisation windfall, the 20 million pound mobile phone licences windfall, the North sea oil windfall.

 

It just spent it all. No sovereign wealth fund here.

 

Then it decided to take the UK out of the one economic market that was benefitting the UK most of all. 1.7 trillion GBP of assets leave the city, big name companies leave the city, foreign investments fall, the UK is downgraded by all rating agencies.

 

Now, instead of getting on his back and thanking the EU that it even is willing to grant the UK access the UK behaves like a spoiled teenager who wants to have its cake and eat it too.

 

To put it into perspective, the UK barely manages to produce 65% of the industrial output of South Korea. Even though South Korean has one sixth less population, it produces 30% more than the UK.

 

Yes, my country also made mistakes, but not like this. We outproduce the UK by almost 200%. We did not bet on oil and instead put our money on sustainable green energy. We certainly are not so dumb as to leave the largest single market in the world. And our GDP is significantly larger than the UK's, one trillion USD larger than the UK's to be precise. Of course we also made mistakes, but not in the same magnitutde or gravity as the British leaders have done.

 

No need to get so critical. W did OK. All empires eventually collapse. Some never really get going at all. 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Britain’s economy failed to grow in the last few months, showing it was weak even before the coronavirus struck.

GDP was flat in January, according to new data from the Office for National Statistics.

It was also flat in the November-January quarter - weaker than expected, and dashing hopes that the economy enjoyed a bounce after December’s general election.

The ONS says that Britain’s dominant services sector was flat in the three months to January 2020, while production contracted by 1.0%. Construction (a small part of the economy) grew by 1.4%.

Gawd. What about the other great EU economies. How were they doing??????? ????

[Logosone]

1 minute ago, TheDark said:

You mean like Ian Blackford who speaks for Scottish independence from England?

 

The same person, who doesn't want the "English-Ameircan" ownership way of peasanting people to spread to cover Scotland?

 

I'd say to be called as Ian is a merit in this concept. 

 

I'd also say, that's the best the brexiteers can come up to these days. You won the brexit, but you also lost the cause. Poor sad lads.

 

 

Once Boris and his fellow failed journalists have to govern, during some of the most challenging economic times in the near future, the failure of all the Brexiter's promises will be clear.

 

The promises of golden shores due to Brexit, they were nothing but lies or wishful thinking at best. Foolish dreams.

 

They will lose by winning. How poetic.

[TheDark]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Once Boris and his fellow failed journalists have to govern, during some of the most challenging economic times in the near future, the failure of all the Brexiter's promises will be clear.

 

The promises of golden shores due to Brexit, they were nothing but lies or wishful thinking at best. Foolish dreams.

 

They will lose by winning. How poetic.

This is the core concept of populism. Every effort is aimed at winning the vote. None of the efforts is paid to the life past the vote. 

 

Populists only want to win. Populists don't want to govern and take responsibilities which comes with winning. They are simply not mentally equipped to do so. 

 

It's in a way good that we can now see and learn the lesson to the foreseeable future how inept populists and their actions really are. Populists are losers, even when they have won the popular vote.

 

Poor lads.

[Rookiescot]

10 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Once Boris and his fellow failed journalists have to govern, during some of the most challenging economic times in the near future, the failure of all the Brexiter's promises will be clear.

 

The promises of golden shores due to Brexit, they were nothing but lies or wishful thinking at best. Foolish dreams.

 

They will lose by winning. How poetic.

Best part is that the Irish will get to watch the English suffering a famine ????

[Logosone]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No need to get so critical. W did OK. All empires eventually collapse.

Yes, but I'm not just talking of empire. I'm talking about the number one spot in world economics which the UK has lost. About all the lost opportunities the UK has had, post-empire.

 

A north sea oil windfall but no sovereign wealth fund? How could your leaders not think of that? Norway's did.

 

 

[Logosone]

6 minutes ago, TheDark said:

This is the core concept of populism. Every effort is aimed at winning the vote. None of the efforts is paid to the life past the vote. 

 

Populists only want to win. Populists don't want to govern and take responsibilities which comes with winning. They are simply not mentally equipped to do so. 

 

It's in a way good that we can now see and learn the lesson to the foreseeable future how inept populists and their actions really are. Populists are losers, even when they have won the popular vote.

 

Poor lads.

 

The truth of those words has certainly painted Europe many times before. Populism can lead a nation to disaster. Just ask Germany. Their unbridled nationalism was also fuelled by foolish dreams of golden times. But it ended in an hour zero, after the British carpet bombed civilians, women and children. However, despite its destruction Germany was able to regain a modicum of existence, through hard work and the incredible good fortune of boom economic times supporting them. The Brexiters will not be so lucky. They will not have economic boom times to support them. The exact opposite.

 

Let us hope the 'good' Britain, the deep minds, those of open mind, the capable Britons, will free themselves of this yoke of petty nationalists. Britain would be the better for it. It can return to the fold of European nations who will shape the future.

[sanemax]

20 minutes ago, TheDark said:

This is the core concept of populism. Every effort is aimed at winning the vote. None of the efforts is paid to the life past the vote. 

 

Populists only want to win. Populists don't want to govern and take responsibilities which comes with winning. They are simply not mentally equipped to do so. 

 

It's in a way good that we can now see and learn the lesson to the foreseeable future how inept populists and their actions really are. Populists are losers, even when they have won the popular vote.

 

Poor lads.

Boris isnt a populist

 

[sanemax]

12 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

 

 

Let us hope the 'good' Britain, the deep minds, those of open mind, the capable Britons, will free themselves of this yoke of petty nationalists. Britain would be the better for it. It can return to the fold of European nations who will shape the future.

Before you continue to interfere with UK Politics , may I ask where you are from yourself ?

You may have a hidden agenda 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Boris isnt a populist

 

Yeah and neither is Farage ????

[TheDark]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Boris isnt a populist

 

LOL! Did you just wrote that out to be read by virtually everybody?

 

Funny one.

[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yeah and neither is Farage ????

Farages one and only aim was to get the UK out the EU

That was his sole reason for existing (in politics)

Does that make him a populist ?

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, TheDark said:

LOL! Did you just wrote that out to be read by virtually everybody?

 

Funny one.

Boris has announced numerous new investments  and policies since winning the G.E.

He also is carrying out Brexit , like he promised to do BEFORE the election (if he got elected)

  Surely that makes him not a populist ?

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Boris has announced numerous new investments  and policies since winning the G.E.

He also is carrying out Brexit , like he promised to do BEFORE the election (if he got elected)

  Surely that makes him not a populist ?

Johnson is nothing but a populist. All he ever had was sound bites and slogans. It was the politics of the dog whistle. He is also bone idle and has the attention span of a goldfish. Thats why the unelected Dominic Cummings is running number 10.

[david555]

Seeing the U.K. budget rolled out I understood straight the needed move for cutting rates drastic ...as U.K. heading to booming borrowing for next 5years for sure , I wonder how the rating agencies go react on this …?

Wait for tomorrow newspapers analyst graphics and you shall agree with my today's opinion , and when I say booming borrowing ...that is almost an understatement 

Edited March 11, 2020 by david555

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Farages one and only aim was to get the UK out the EU

That was his sole reason for existing (in politics)

Does that make him a populist ?

Farage is a total conman. He is a front for people who wanted to make money shorting the pound and using offshore tax havens. He has also made a healthy living from being a MEP and has insisted he keeps his pension from said organisation. 

Why did he not pay back the people who joined his Brexit company and paid money to be candidates only for him to cancel their seats?